"The Goonies" (1985) with Nicholas Pepin & Chad Sheppard

Tim Williams: To watch this 80s flick is to step back into a sun-drenched memory of what it felt like to be 10 years old, armed with nothing but a flashlight, a group of friends, and the unshakable conviction that adventure was waiting right under our feet. It remains the gold standard of 80s cinema, a breathtaking, chaotic masterpiece born from the combined imaginations of Steven Spielberg, Chris Columbus, and Richard Donner. They didn't just make a movie, they built a playground for our collective youth where pirate legends were as tangible as the neighborhood streets, and the mundane act of exploring a cavern felt like discovering a new world. For the kids of the goondocks facing the cold reality of losing their homes to developers, a tarnished Spanish doubloon and a brittle attic warm map weren't just curiosities, they were a desperate, beautiful lifeline. Decades later, the film's magic hasn't dimmed, it still pulls us back into that specific. Irreplaceable feeling of camaraderie reminding us of a time when Rude Goldberg inventions were the height of cool, and even the most fearsome looking giant could possess a heart of gold. It is a cinematic time capsule perfectly capturing the clumsy, heartfelt, and endlessly imaginative spirit of childhood. So do the truffle shuffle, hop on your bike, and meet us at the goondocks as Nicholas Pepin, Chad Shepard, and I discuss the Goonies from nineteen eighty-five on this episode of The 80s flick flashback podcast. Well, welcome to the show, everybody. I am your host, Tim Williams. Joining me in the attic today are two guys who are definitely dynamic enough to escape a pair of bumbling counterfeiters. First up, a man who is always armed with a pocket full of baby roofs and ready to make friends with a lovable giant. It's the host of Pop Culture Roulette, Nicholas Pepin. How you doing, Nicholas? You're not gonna do the the Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Hey you guys. I I couldn't do the yell, there's too much going I don't want to get the dogs upset, but I wanted to get the line done.

Tim Williams: Ha ha ha Good deal. Next up he's got the quick wit, the fast talking energy, and a translation for just about every piece of eighties movie lore we throw at him. Just don't ask him to translate Spanish to Rosalita. Please welcome back to the show, Chad Shepherd. How you doing, Chad?

ASHLEY: Mm-mm. Rocky Road. There you go. He sold he sold my first one, so there you go. Hey, how's it going? Yeah.

Tim Williams: Ha ha ⁓ ⁓ it's all right. Yeah. I I knew I knew somebody was gonna do it, so I didn't I didn't add it in my intro. So all right. Well, we're doing another movie that we had that I had previously covered in the first season of the podcast, but we're kind of doing a revisit with the new ⁓ format with ⁓ two guys that were not on that episode the first time we did it. So glad to be back and looking this one of my favorites, so I will always gladly talk about the Goonies anytime. Any place and happy to rewatch it again. So let's jump right in. Nicholas, when did you see Goonies for the very first time?

Nicholas Pepin: I don't remember a time that I haven't ever seen the Goonies, so it's hard to remember like when I know off of when it came out, I didn't see it in the theaters. So it would have been one of those that we picked up on VHS at Blockbuster one weekend or whenever it made it to T V, like I watched it. Like I just but like I've I we'll get there in a second. Just but I don't I don't remember the first time I see it, but

Tim Williams: It's one of those. Mm, okay. Ha ha ha.

Nicholas Pepin: I saw it, but I don't remember not having never seen it.

Tim Williams: Gotcha. Makes perfect sense. what about you, Chad?

ASHLEY: ⁓ I I did not see it in the theater as well. I I either rented it from either Blockbuster or the local video rental or my friend had it on from 'cause he had HBO and and I d I I don't remember w seeing it until I was a little older than 'cause this was eighty five so I was six. so I don't remember seeing it until later. Or like the whole thing, 'cause

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Gotcha.

ASHLEY: Some of it was a little frightening for a little nervous little Chad, so but

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. Ha ha ha. so I'm the old man of the group, obviously, because I did I do remember seeing this in the theater. It's not a vivid, vivid memory, but I rem I do remember my friends and I talking about it. I think my mom took me and like a couple of my friends to go see it like during the summer, like a matinee. And I remember getting back and like on the street, you know, where we live, the neighborhood we was a dead end road we lived on. And I remember us like, you know, talking about going on our on adventure because there are woods. at the where the street dead ended, it was just woods back there. And so we always like to go my mom was like, Don't go in the woods. Of course, what we do, we went in the woods. That's what that's what you did when you were 10. You didn't do what your mom told you to do. So ⁓ so we were always trying to think about our own adventures to go on after seeing the movie. So definitely one that I saw in the theater and then saw many times it was on cable. I know I had the VHS. I have a Blu-ray copy now. So it's one that I've I've watched ⁓ many, many But How long has it been since you watched it before rewatching it for the podcast? I'll start with Chad this time.

ASHLEY: a year ago, Memorial Day, ⁓ my wife my wife and I went to the Blue Ridge, Georgia to the mountains and had a cabin and she was outside on our balcony 'cause she that was her vibe and looking over the thing. I was inside Goonies. 'Cause it was just on. I'm like, I hadn't watched this in a long time, so ⁓ so a year ago. Mm. ⁓

Tim Williams: Okay. Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha. Mm. All right, cool. What about you, Nicholas?

Nicholas Pepin: I this is one of those movies that I have on digital. So I watch it fairly Like if if the wife's out of town or like I'm on my own, like I'll put it on to go to sleep too. ⁓ so it's ⁓ it's been a little bit longer since I've seen the whole movie. But, you know, it's one of those that like if I'm at like I remember a few years ago I was over at my brother and sister in law's house.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm-hmm.

Nicholas Pepin: they had somebody coming over to do some work on the house and neither of us neither of them could be there. So I went over to watch the house for ⁓ And they just they didn't have I think they still had cable at the time. It was in s slightly before streaming, flipping through the channels and I came across Goonies. I'm like, Well, know what I'm doing until they get until the until the AC guy gets here. Yeah. You know, it's just one of those like if I come across it on TV, I'm probably gonna stop and watch it. ⁓

Tim Williams: Ha ha ha Right, right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Nicholas Pepin: Regardless of where it is in the movie.

Tim Williams: Yeah, I th I wanna say I've watched it within the last year, maybe at least the last two years, because it's funny like watching it at the in the summer, like this being I you know, I did it during the summer like doing the rewatch. But this is a movie I always associate with fall because it, you know, it the it's set in the fall, it's kinda cold, it's Oregon, it's misty and rainy, they're wearing jackets and stuff, so Like this is a movie, like right when it starts getting fall like weather here and like the first like rainy kind of overcast day where it's cool outside. I'm like, it's a perfect day to stay inside and watch Goonies. Like that's like the perfect time for me to put it on. And same with you, Nicholas. I've had it on I've had it on digital for a while. And I remember Hannah watching it the first time, like 10 years ago. And didn't into it at the beginning, but by the end, she was completely hooked and like. When she was when the movie was over, she was sitting she was back when she was drawing a lot and she wanted to draw a picture of the pirate ship on the water. So I was like, So yes, like, yes, I'm a good parent. My daughter liked Goonies. So yeah. So ⁓

ASHLEY: Yeah, I I have a confession to make. I I went to my dad's house 'cause the the last podcast I was on was Ernest because Camp and I found the unopened Ernest Blu ray that I had. And I said, Okay, well let me find my copy of Goonies. don't Goonies. ⁓ No. so sad. I was like, my heart hurt. And I was like, it's okay. It's probably on like I think it was on HBO when we watched it a year ago or something.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Right, right, right. Don't have it. ⁓ no.

ASHLEY: Went on there. Had to watch it on like Pluto with commercials. Like a like a vagabond.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. okay. Hey. all right. It's all right. It's all right. Yeah. So all right. Well, now it's time to see if you know the blueprints ⁓ the production before the cameras ever started rolling. We're heading into our trivia segment. Let's play ⁓ quizness.

ASHLEY: Sorry. Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Williams: right, gentlemen, I pulled five artifacts of information directly from the 1984 pre-production and story files. Your job is simple. Tell me if they true or false. Keep your eyes on the map. Let's see who walks away with the treasure. So, five questions, true or false. Work as a team. Let's see if you can sweep this one. Are you ready? All right. All right, here we go. Number one, true or false. Steven Spielberg wrote a massive treatment detailing every single booby trap and pirate legend before handing it over to Chris Columbus to write the actual screenplay. True or false?

Nicholas Pepin: Let's do this.

ASHLEY: Ready as I'll ever be.

Nicholas Pepin: That seems like something that Spielberg would actually do. like when comes to movies that he's not directing. but I didn't read that. Hmm. ⁓ I'm gonna

ASHLEY: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't either. I know I know we wrote this I know we wrote the story. 'Cause that's in the credits story by Spielberg. But was it one hundred? I'm gonna I'm gonna agree.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah, I'm gonna say true.

Tim Williams: Not starting off very well. That was Spielberg actually pitched pitched the concept to Chris Columbus. Spielberg pitched the concept to Chris Columbus as a brief, punchy, one page outline. Columbus took that single page of inspiration and fleshed it out into the full action-packed script we know today. All right, time to redeem yourself. Number two, true or false. In the original pre-production drafts, the character of Sloth was written to be a literal genetically modified cave creature. But director Richard Donner insisted on making him a human family member to keep the story grounded. True or false?

Nicholas Pepin: Not you're not gonna try to trick me two times in a row.

Tim Williams: Ha ha ha

ASHLEY: Like I wanna say one thing, but I'm like, should I go the opposite since Goodness.

Nicholas Pepin: mean I'm gonna say true to this one as well. ⁓

ASHLEY: True, yeah. Nope.

Tim Williams: Not doing good at all. It's false. Sloth was always intended to be a human character. Okay. Okay. You got it, you still got it. You could still get the last three and still come out with a win. So, all right. Number three, true or false. To make the kids' interactions feel as authentic as possible, director Richard Donner kept the young cast separated during pre-production rehearsals so they wouldn't form friendships until the cameras started rolling. True or false.

Nicholas Pepin: That is false,

ASHLEY: That is false, yeah, 'cause you want them to be friends before like

Tim Williams: Yep, it's false. It was the exact opposite. Donna encouraged the kids to hang out, camp, and play together for weeks before filming. The natural overlapping chaotic banter you hear in the movie was born from them becoming a genuine best friend before the shoot even began. And it's very evident in the movie. Like their chemistry together, all of them just it works. And so you can tell they had spent time together. So all right. You're back in the back in the positive. So let's let's finish it out with all correct. Number four.

ASHLEY: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Tim Williams: The massive pirate ship the Inferno was constructed entirely by hand on a soundstage, and the directors strictly forbid the child actors from seeing it until the cameras are rolling to capture their genuine reactions.

Nicholas Pepin: That one I know is true.

ASHLEY: That's true, yeah. I I've heard that too.

Tim Williams: Yep, the set was completely enclosed. And when the kids finally turned the corner and saw one-eyed Willie's actual ship floating in the water, their awe and amazement on screen was a hundred percent real, even though it had to be recorded twice. Because the first time they came out of the water, they said a couple of cuss words that were not allowed in a PG movie. So they the director's like, nope, we gotta do it again. Put them, don't put them back in the water, put them back in the water. So all right, you're You're you're it's it's two and two, so this one's gonna determine whether it's a win or a loss. We haven't had a loss in a long time. Come on, guys, I believe in you. Number five. Their original working title for the film during early script development was The Search for One Eyed Willy, but the studio changed it to the Goonies to emphasize the camaraderie of the neighborhood kids. or false?

Nicholas Pepin: w I wanna say that is f false because no ⁓ wanna say no one would ever to try to name a movie something as dumb as the search for one eyed Willy.

ASHLEY: Gosh.

Nicholas Pepin: But alright, let's go true.

ASHLEY: I wanna say true though. I don't know.

Tim Williams: Trust your teammate. It is true. You guys pulled out a win. Early drafts leaned heavily into the pirate mystery aspect for the title, but the production team realized the heartbeat of the movie was the bond between the goondocks misfits, leading to the iconic final title. So, all right. Got it. Three three correct, two incorrect. So your winners in my book. All right. Well, if you played a long yep, go ahead. Go ahead.

ASHLEY: Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Alright. You know I was gonna say about the pirate ship. Did you read that like they were trying to give it away to somebody at the end of the movie and nobody would take it? So they had to dismantle it? Yeah, that's that's sad. Man.

ASHLEY: Wow. Mm-hmm.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Yep. Nobody would take it. So they scrapped it. Yep. Yeah. Some of it went to the Pirates of Caribbean ride at Disney World or Disneyland. I can't remember. I don't I don't think I wrote that one down, but but yeah, I have heard that. So I remember that, so.

ASHLEY: Well

Nicholas Pepin: Right. Man, like what what w the for the foresight wasn't there for them to know like this movie's gonna become a cultural i icon. Maybe we should keep this because we'll make we'll be able to do something with it.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But then you gotta think like where were they gonna where would they store it? Like if somebody got it, like they'd have like store I mean, I guess there's places to store it, but yeah. Yeah.

ASHLEY: A Rada Disney World's a good place.

Nicholas Pepin: Mm-hmm.

Tim Williams: Yeah. When I win a billion dollars, I'll just have a replica made and have it on my front lawn. You know, I won't tell anybody I won the lottery, but there'll be signs. Yep. Yep. All right. Well, if you ⁓ played along at home, tell us how you did. You can send us an email, reach out reach out to us on social media, or leave us a comment right here on YouTube if that's where you're watching. So

Nicholas Pepin: There you go.

ASHLEY: There you go.

Nicholas Pepin: Ha ha

ASHLEY: ⁓ there's there's parachip Tim on the Lattery again.

Tim Williams: All right, let's jump into the cast. This one, I'm gonna try to keep it as short as possible. This cast is stacked. It's one of the, you know, one of the best casts, I will say, from the get-go, but also, you know, a lot of names that we know that have become, you know, that were famous then and some still famous now. So, and we'll go in alphabetical order as they are in the credits. Let's start with Sean Aston, who is also primarily the lead as Mikey. He began his career as a child actor making his film debut in The Goonies, followed by significant roles in Toy Soldiers in 91, one of my favorites, in C No Man, 92, also a favorite, Rudy, 1993, and of course Sam Wise Gange in the Lord of the Rings trilogy from 2001 to 2003. According to Sean Aston, he was allowed to keep the treasure map used in the movie, but several f several years later, his mother, Patty Duke, discovered it, thought it was just a crinkled piece of paper, and threw it away.

Nicholas Pepin: Those mothers always throwing stuff away.

ASHLEY: Wow.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Stay out of my room. Stop cleaning my room. Yep. So, but yeah, Sean Aston is like so perfectly cast in this. There's some he has some really, really moments ⁓ in movie, for sure. Any anything to add there?

Nicholas Pepin: I'm just constantly amazed he's John John Aston's stepson. Yeah. But yeah, no, I you're right. I mean perfect casting with him. You just dead on.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. And then playing his older brother, Brand, Josh Brolin. He's the son of actor James Brolin. ⁓ this was his first role as well. He had a he had a resurgence with his starring role in the crime film No Country for Old Men in 2007. That's where his career progressed with roles in ⁓ W in 2008, True Grit in 2010, Wall Street Money Sleeps in 2010 as well. Men in Black 3, Old Boy, Inherent Vice, Everest, and Hail Caesar. But of course, he gained wide recognition for playing Thanos in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, including Avengers Infinity War and Avengers Endgame, as well as Cable in Deadpool 2. He said he auditioned at least six times for the part he had been to at least 300 unsuccessful auditions before. He claims he almost ruined the first day of shooting as he was laughing so much from nerves that he couldn't stop. And it became a problem on set. could see that being your first big movie, you're in a s you're a Spielberg movie with Richard Donner and you're like super nervous. I could I could see that happening. So but but yeah.

ASHLEY: He had a lot to ⁓ live up to, his his dad being a famous actor then.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. right, anything else to add about Josh Brolin?

ASHLEY: He was also Jonah Hex. I feel like if Laramie were here he would say Jonah Hex as well.

Tim Williams: Yes, yeah, yeah. I don't

Nicholas Pepin: ⁓ yeah, I don't know if I don't know if Laramie would want to bring that up though.

ASHLEY: Pro ⁓ probably not, yeah.

Tim Williams: I don't know if Josh Brolin would want us to make bring that up. Sorry, Josh, we're listening. Blame, blame Chad. right, we got Jeff Cohen as chunk. He's best known for his role in this movie. in 20 in 2002, he co-founded the Beverly Hills-based law firm Cohen Gardner LLP, which represents clients in the media, technology, and entertainment industries. Yes, he left acting ⁓ shortly after this movie.

ASHLEY: No.

Nicholas Pepin: Ha.

Tim Williams: Became a lawyer outside of the Goonies. He was a guest star on TV shows such as Webster, Family Ties, Kids Incorporated, and The Facts of Life. But he'll always be chunk to me. he actually got the chicken pox after he got the role and he showed up on set anyway, afraid they would fire him and replace him with someone else if he told him he had chicken pops. Sad to say. But

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah. I wonder how many people still come up to him and be like do the troffle chuffle.

Tim Williams: he's not even like, you know, he's lost a lot of weight. He's really thin now. So n not a not a lot to shuffle in that truffle, I guess. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah. Of course. And he was like s he didn't want to do it when they when they filmed it. He was like super subconscious and like Richard Donner actually cleared the set. So it we he for him to do it without a lot of people there to see him. So help him get through.

Nicholas Pepin: No, but people would still do it. I don't blame him. I put myself in a at as a as a bigger boy myself at at at his age I would have been more yeah, I would have been like, You want me to do what?

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm.

ASHLEY: Yeah. Mortifying.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that's honestly one of the parts of the movie that doesn't age as well because like he's just the fat kid. Like he does I mean, he he he has a little bit of a story, but like it's so overly done with like I I'm so h when my stomach grum you know, every time my stomach ⁓ grumbles, I know I'm in trouble. ⁓ I'm he's all he's always hungry. So but yeah.

ASHLEY: Hmm. I I remember seeing him on a it was a I think it was a Disney movie. It was it was probably right after this. And it was a movie where like a little girl got her I think it got her bike stolen and her brother and his friends wanted to do to rescue the bike or something or some some nature and they went to a mysterious house to train and it was Mickey Rooney was was the trainer.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay.

ASHLEY: Do y'all remember any of this or or am I just I don't remember the name of it, but I'm pretty sure it was like a Disney you know, the Disney the night what night on Disney or whatever it was. Wonderful World of Disney. Yeah. ⁓

Tim Williams: No. ⁓ the wonderful world of Disney on like Sunday nights. Yeah. It's possible. We have to look that one up, so

ASHLEY: Yeah. I should have been prepared, but I'll start now.

Tim Williams: All right. And then of course, Corey Feldman is mouth. ⁓ we've covered Corey Feldman on several episodes already, including Friday the thirteenth, the final chapter, Gremlins and Stand By Me, as well as Lost Boys and License to Drive. So, yeah. So not much else to add about Corey Feldman if you don't know who he is. Were even alive in the eighties or the nineties? So

Nicholas Pepin: Mm-hmm.

Tim Williams: Uh, but this was a fun fact. Corey Feldman's journey to the movie began with E.T. the extraterrestrial. Steven Spielberg actually cast Feldman to play Elliot's best friend when the film was going to be about two boys who discover an alien. Spielberg brought him to the set of poltergeists to show him around watching the scene where Joe Beth Williams was in the rotating bedroom set. However, during the course of E.T.'s production, the story was changed from Elliot and his friend discovering the alien to Elliot and his family removing Feldman's character completely. Spielberg felt bad and promised to cast him in his next film, which ended up being Gremlins. And Feldman did such a good job on that film, he was then cast immediately for the Goonies. So, which is pretty cool. another fun fact: not only was Corey Feldman's character appropriately named because he talked a lot, but the name fit for another reason. The scene where Mama Fratelli pulls the jewels out of Mouth's mouth was shot in one take with Feldman managing to fit all the jewels in his mouth at once. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. I appreciate you catching that reference, Nicholas. Appreciate that. All right. Any thoughts on Feldman? I mean, we've we've talked about him on so many other episodes, so

ASHLEY: And scales.

Nicholas Pepin: ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I mean several other episodes that I've been on, so there's nothing more I need to add.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Yeah. I mean he was good in this. Yeah.

ASHLEY: Did y'all talk about his did you talk about his ⁓ his music prowess?

Tim Williams: No, I try not to. All then you got go ahead.

ASHLEY: Okay. Just sorry to ask. What I was gonna say that's one of my favorite videos is the one where he's tuning a t guitar and it goes to go sing in the mic and it hits him in the the face. Have you not you not seen that? It's

Tim Williams: I don't think I've seen that one. ⁓ Okay. Yeah. I've seen a couple of like appearances when he was trying to launch his music career, and I saw the the music video he made like with his friends in a hotel or something. So yeah. But hey, he's touring the I mean he's I follow him on Instagram and like he's still touring the country. He's got people coming to see him. But yeah. All right, moving on. Kerry Green as Andy.

ASHLEY: It's pretty money. Yeah.

Tim Williams: Best known for her roles in this movie, as well as Summer Rental, one of my favorites, and Lucas from 1986. Heather Langenkamp actually auditioned for the role of Andy. Steven Spielberg and Richard Donner felt that she had given a great audition, was the right physical type for the role, but she was 20 years old at the time, and the script described her as being 17. And both Spielberg and Donner felt that Langenkamp was too old for the role.

Nicholas Pepin: Which is shocking because the conversation you have hi you and I have had on many of these movies is when they're got a thirty-five year old playing a fifteen year old. So th this time they're like, What? A twenty year old playing a seventeen year old? No. Can't possibly have that.

Tim Williams: Ha ha Right. Of course. Yeah. Yeah.

ASHLEY: Hm.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I read like all of the kids are supposed to be at least like 13 or older, but Jeff Cowen was only like eleven. So he was definitely the youngest of the group. So but he's still fit. So but I liked Carrie Green. I'm surprised she didn't do more. I mean, everything that I've seen her in, I thought she was really good. So ⁓ but yeah, but I don't I can't really see Heather Langencamp being in that role, but She'll always be Nancy to me from on Elm Street. So that's that's just unfortunately where she she stays in my memory. So then we've got Martha Plimpton as Steph. She rose to prominence in the Goonies. She later took on roles in The Mosquito Coast in '86, Running on Empty in '88, Parenthood in '89, Beautiful Girls in '96, and Frozen 2 in 2019. So ⁓ yeah, she's had a fairly long career, but yep. Decent role. Nothing nothing really to add for her, I don't think.

Nicholas Pepin: My favorite Martha Plinton is Raising Hope. That T that TV show she did. I love that TV show.

ASHLEY: Raising hope. I was gonna say the same exact thing, yeah. Mm, same. My mother did too.

Tim Williams: that was a T V show, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. you what yeah, if you watch the The Good Wife, I think she was on, she was on a couple of seasons of that too. She was really good on that. So and then one of my favorites, Kehu-Wan, as also known as Jonathan Ka-Wan, born in Vietnam. He immigrated to the United States as a child. He rose to fame playing short round in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in 84, and then followed it up with Goonies in 90 in 85, following a few roles as a young adult in the 90s.

ASHLEY: We always watch.

Tim Williams: He took a 19-year acting hiatus during which he worked as a stunt choreographer and assistant director. He returned to acting with the family adventure film Finding Ohana in 2021, followed by the critically acclaimed Everything Everywhere All at Once in 2022. He has since starred in the second season of Disney Plus series Loki in 2023, and in the Disney animated film Zootopia 2 in 2025. So, but yeah. Short round. Yeah, he's not exactly. Yep.

ASHLEY: Oscar winner. Oscar winner too. He won it to Oscar for that movie.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. He was good in that. Like I'm I'm not a super huge fan of everything everything everywhere all at once. I mean, it was good. I don't think it was as great as everybody hyped it up to be, in my own opinion. he was really good in it. I th I I felt like he definitely deserved the award for that movie. So

ASHLEY: ⁓ yeah. Mm-hmm.

Tim Williams: All right, moving on. One little note here I did want to put before we jump into the rest of the cast. All the main characters are referred to by nicknames, and their real names are either rarely mentioned or not mentioned at all. Mikey is Michael, Mouth is Clark Devereaux, is Richard Wang, Brand is Brandon Walsh, Chunk is Lawrence Cohen. Andy Andrea Teresa Carmichael. Steph is Stephanie Steinbrenner. And sloth, Lotni Fratelli. Why would they give him a name like Lotny? L-O-T-N-E-Y. Yeah. But he'll always be sloth to me. So his mama called him sloth, I'm gonna call him sloth. Okay. right, moving on. Then we got John Matutsik. Matutsek. I don't know if I say his name right. Played sloth.

Nicholas Pepin: ⁓ who knows?

Tim Williams: Of course, he was selected by the Houston Oilers with the first overall pick in 1973 NFL draft and played most of his career with the Oakland or Los Angeles Raiders until retiring after winning his second Super Bowl in nineteen eighty-one. As an actor, he starred on both films and television, appearing first in North Dallas 40 in 79, followed by Caveman in eighty one, and of course, Sloth in the Goonies. He also makes a cameo appearance in One Crazy Summer in nineteen eighty six, I didn't write that one down, but yeah. He's the crazy biker with the hair. When he comes out of the water, he's got the fish in his hair. If you weren't sure who that was. Yeah. And then ⁓ Robert Davy as Jake Fratelli. Over the course of his acting career, he performed in more than 130 films. He's most known for his role in The Goonies, Die Hard, License to Kill, Predator 2, and Showgirls.

Nicholas Pepin: Yes.

Tim Williams: And he's also he also portrayed an FBI agent in the NBC telev television series Profiler from nineteen ninety-six to the year two thousand. So yeah, he'll always be the FBI guy and die hard and this. That's the two that I know him the most for him.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah.

ASHLEY: Yeah, the or or Joe Girls, the the club owner.

Tim Williams: Well, okay. Yeah. And then ⁓ another favorite, Joe Pantaliano, Joey Pants, as Francis Fratelli. His most popular film roles include Captain Conrad Howard and the Bad Boys film franchise. He was Cypher in The Matrix. He was also in Christopher Nolan's Psychological Thriller Memento. Other notable film critics include Risky Business in '83, Empire of the Sun 87, La Bamba '97.

ASHLEY: Yeah. Just down here.

Tim Williams: Midnight Run in 88, The Fugitive in 93, and Percy Jackson and Lymphians, the Lightning Thief in 2010. So they both auditioned together, and their banter of them arguing was how they won the role. And from what I read, they did not get along very well on set either. So they took the, you know, sibling rivalry to heart and really irritated each other during the filming, which comes across very clearly. In the movie.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah. I'm so used to to Joey Pants not having hair that I sometimes forget that's I saw him this time and I'm like, ⁓ that's right, he is in this movie. Every time I see the movie I'm like, ⁓ right, that's a that's hi You'd think I'd remember he's in the movie, but every time it's like, ⁓ yeah

Tim Williams: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And then I love it, like, you know, remember when we were gonna get your teeth fixed and mom said use your money to get the get a toupee? I've never worn a hair piece. And then of course, like 10 minutes later, it's barely hanging on or teeth comes out of the water. So yeah. have their their rants at each other still me laugh. Still make me laugh.

ASHLEY: Yeah, he was I loved them in the fugitive and US Marshals. He was he was great. Yeah.

Tim Williams: ⁓ yeah, he was getting the fugitive for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And then the late great Anne Ramsey is Mama Fratelli. in the 70s, she began a successful Hollywood career in character roles, appearing in TV programs such as Little House on the Prairie, Wonder Woman, Three's Company, and Ironside. In 1988, she was nominated for Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for Throw Mama from the Train with Billy Crystal and Danny DeVito. In February of 1988, at age 58, she guest starred on an episode of Alf. Which was broadcast just six months before her death. She also had a cameo part in Scrooge shortly before her death as well. She had six films which she appeared that were released in two years following her death. So she was working all the way up until up until the end. But yeah. She'll always be Mama Fratelli. So

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah. Every time

ASHLEY: I think she had tongue tongue cancer. 'Cause her speech got wor worse as the like throw mama from the train was was hard to understand, but she got a oscronod, so

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. What were you gonna say, Nicholas?

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah, every time I see her every time I see her I think Mamma Fratelli, but I'm just like, it's her and Scrooge. Like she when you see her in Scrooge, I'm like, Hey, that's the lady from Sh ⁓ Goonies ⁓

Tim Williams: Yeah. yeah, yeah. From Goonies, yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. This was for sure the first thing I saw her in. Like, I don't remember her on Little House on the Prairie or Wonder Woman or Three's Company. It'd be kind of fun just like find those episodes, really see her in those, you know, today. But yeah. All right. Last one really cover is Mary Ellen Trainer as ⁓ and Brand's mom. She's best known for her roles in this, as well as the psychiatrist and the lethal weapon films, 87 to 98. She was also a newscaster in Die Hard and Ricochet. She also appeared in The Monster Squad in eighty seven, Scrooge in eighty eight, Ghostbusters two in eighty nine, Death Becomes her in ninety two, Forrest Gump in ninety-four, Congo in ninety-five, and Freaky Friday in two thousand three. So but yeah, she likes she's she's good at that mother character, because I definitely remember her from Monster Squad and the Goonies. So Yeah, that's why I'm trying to like, where was she in Scrooge? She was one of the, she was one of the employees of Frank Cross and Scrooge. Just remembered some. Richard Donner makes an uncredited cameo appearance as the sheriff's deputy at the end when they're when they're ⁓ driving on the beach in the four-wheelers. The film cinematographer Nick McLean also has a cameo as Mouth's father. The part of the dead FBI agent was performed by stunt man Ted Grossman, one other one of my favorite scenes when he gets stuck in the fridge with Chunk. and then I thought this was this was a cool fact. I don't think ever saw this before. Though it's uncredited in the movie, the photo of Chester Copper Pot is alleged to be of ⁓ actor Keenan Wynne. Wynne was originally cast as Perry White in Donner's Superman movie before dropping out due to exhaustion. So another Superman nod in the Goonies, because of course Chunk, you know, revealing the Superman shirt and playing the Superman theme is another nod to ⁓ Donner.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah.

ASHLEY: Is is that the guy from like Herbie Ride ⁓ go rides again and the Shaggy DA or the Shaggy Dog? King to Win, yeah.

Tim Williams: You're talking about Keenan Wynn? I have no idea. That I did not I did not pull up his filmography at all. I just saw that little that little that little blur blurb and thought it would thought I'd put it in there. Yeah. Yep. All right. Anybody else on the cast that you want me to mention? I think I tried to cover the

ASHLEY: Okay. I think it is.

Nicholas Pepin: I think you got everybody we're talking about.

Tim Williams: The most popular. The most popular, so

ASHLEY: I'm I'm pretty sure I've I've I may be mistaken, but the the housekeeper Ros Rosita I I believe that's the lady who played the lady who killed Selena in Selena, like her her manager in the J Lo movie. No. ⁓ okay.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Ros yeah, Rosita. it's possible. I've never seen Selena, so I don't know. But yeah. But she she had been in other things. I just didn't have her as one of my main characters. Ma main main cast members, yeah.

ASHLEY: Okay. Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: My my my favorite fact of her is that she spoke perfect English and and she she helped translate the bad Spanish that that and then helped teach Cory Feldman how to say the words well enough so that

Tim Williams: Yes, yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. What I don't get, even watching it now, why are all the drug names and like everything that's bad in all caps in the subtitles? Like like we want you to know this is the most important thing for you to see on the screen. So, which is hilarious. And all that stuff went way over my head as a kid. Like I didn't know anything what they were talking about, but

ASHLEY: Ha ha. ⁓ yeah.

Tim Williams: watching it now, it's like, ⁓ okay, yeah, I could see how this would have been a little I'm sure my parents were kind of like turned in their seat a little bit in the theater, like, ooh, what are we watching? So but that and the the Statue of David scene. ⁓ God made us like ⁓ if God made us like that, it's we'll piss in their faces. So yeah. ⁓

Nicholas Pepin: Ha ha ha.

ASHLEY: Yeah, I'd I had no idea.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah, that that ⁓ that that that that's my mom's favorite part.

Tim Williams: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

ASHLEY: Way over my head.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah, that definitely wasn't something that I understood until sometime in the nineties when I was watching it. And I was like, wait a minute, did he just say what I think he said?

Tim Williams: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I rem I rem because I think I had a recording of the TV version because I do remember how badly that section was edited, like for TV. Like they they wouldn't show the actual figurine or the actual like statue, whatever, but they would talk about it, but you couldn't see it, so it didn't make any sense. So it was just like, yeah. I that's what I remembered. So

ASHLEY: Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: ⁓

Tim Williams: Fun times. All right, let's jump into iconic scenes, favorite scenes. So if someone says Goonies, what's the first scene that pops in your head, Nicholas?

Nicholas Pepin: the kids see the pirate ship for the first time, I mean I know we already talked about it, but are ⁓ Chunks screaming, Hey you guys, coming down the the banner and then you're ripping his shirt open to see the suit the the Superman, those are the iconic I mean, there's so many iconic scenes. It's really hard to pick, but I mean

Tim Williams: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, yeah. Well you you picked the same two I had on my list. So I'm like ⁓ shouldn't have called on you first. I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah. ⁓ playing the bone piano. Yeah. I got a couple other things, but I'll save those for my favorite scenes.

Tim Williams: Okay. What about you, Chad? Iconic scene.

ASHLEY: gosh. in attic, finding the map ⁓ and here chunk, hold this. He's like, okay. And then he's counting. That's great. Yep. ⁓ finding the Yeah, just just finding the map was was great. And then them deciding to to leave, then wrapping Bran in the his little stretchy

Tim Williams: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One, two, yeah. Yeah. I will say like I yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, I will say, like, I remember when I watched this again fifteen ago, probably longer than that, when Facebook was like when I was early in my Facebook days when you had to have like the the you're always changing your cover photo or whatever. And I had done a screenshot, I found a screenshot of like all their eyes just above the map when they're looking at the map, like just a great like cinematic shot. so of their four eyes over the map. So I that that scene is very vivid in my mind too. So for sure. ⁓ but yeah, like I said, Nicholas took mine. The pirate them seeing the pirate ship for the first time is is the first thing I think about. eyed Willie like in that in the treasure room. but yeah. And then qu you know, Sloth and Chunks entrance on the pirate ship is is one of my favorites too. So all right, what about favorite scenes, Nicholas? You said you had a couple more

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah, well basically anything with chunk, chunk and sloth. Like there's just the the interaction from with those two like from the get go. I mean sloth in general I think is one of my favorite characters. ⁓ just like you know, like you said, like h chunk, hold this. Five, four, three, two, ⁓ know. But like

Tim Williams: Ha ha ha. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I love how he's just talking while he's holding it, like just yeah, why you you just randomly talking, so

ASHLEY: Ha ha.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah, just like, you know, they've they've got ⁓ down. But, you know, there's there's so many like just like the the Ruth Goldberg devices. ⁓ you know, data with his like you know his event what is what does he say? 'Cause I should have wrote it down, 'cause I th I thought it was really funny this time. Something about a sucker punch and then like he's got the glove that comes out and and hits them, and then the second time he does it he hits himself. Like

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Inventions. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Booty booty traps. Yeah, booby traps. Yeah.

ASHLEY: Yeah, those the booty traps. Booby traps. That's what I said.

Nicholas Pepin: ⁓ yeah, the booty traps.

Tim Williams: What about you, Chad? Favourite scenes?

ASHLEY: Gosh, favorite scenes. I really liked the ⁓ when they're down in the the whale, the whale part. ⁓ the wishing whale, yeah. Corey Filma is the the great line about this is mine, this is my wish, and it didn't come true. That's that's great. And then ⁓ Andy sending her jacket back up and you know, you know, that's just great. And I I'm remembering the first time I saw this movie.

Tim Williams: ⁓ the well yeah, the wishing well. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

ASHLEY: I did not see the whole beginning, the f the chase for Telly Chase, and then you er introduced all the kids. I skipped that part. I went directly to the house when I first saw this movie. So the the the time I saw the whole beginning I'm like, there's a whole like other part of the movie I missed. But

Tim Williams: ⁓ okay. Yeah, yeah. Right. Ha ha ha. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. I remember watching again for the first time, like after not seeing it for a while. And when it opens up, you know, right there at the prison, I was like, Did I put the right movie in? Like what like what is this? Yeah. So yeah. Definitely definitely a scene that you kind of forget once you're into the movie, but it is a fun scene at the beginning.

Nicholas Pepin: Mm-hmm.

ASHLEY: Hm. Yeah. But inter introducing them as as the car as car the being chased by the police. That was cool. I liked that.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That is a great that's that's like filmmaking 101, like how to introduce your characters through the opening credits and like understanding kind of who all of them who all of them are in a very short amount of time. So I thought that was very well done. Very well done. for so favorite scenes for me, the country club water pipe scene is one of my favorites because it's so

ASHLEY: ⁓ yeah. Mm. ⁓ yeah.

Tim Williams: Hilarious. It's made very much just there for comic relief, like the old man trying to get the water from the water fountain outside the tennis courts. And then is it Troy that's sitting on the toilet? And of course it, you know, goes up into the ceiling or whatever. So it it it feels a little bit out of place, you know, watching it now because it it is very cartoonish, but it's a fun, it's a fun scene. and then my other favorite scene is Chunks Confession. You want me start from the beginning? Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Mm.

ASHLEY: Mm. Ha ha.

Tim Williams: Like that whole scene is is hilarious. Like, yeah, yeah. I'm kind of you, Nicholas. Anything with chunk is just like hilarious. Like one of my favorites. ⁓

Nicholas Pepin: I it's it's kinda sad that he didn't really do a whole lot after I mean, 'cause he was so good. But you know.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say, like, if you like I do remember seeing him in some of the TV shows that he did, but they just wanted him to play chunk. Like he didn't they wanted him to be the same character over and over again. So I can see why that would kind of dissuade him from doing more. But but yeah. But it's funny, like you ⁓ going back to what you said about like trunk chunk and sloth, like let's let's ⁓ have a little fun. So if this was made today.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah.

Tim Williams: Or let's say if even back in nineteen eighty five, would you have been surprised if there was an animated chunk and sloth spinoff show, like a Saturday morning cartoon, the adventure the adventures of sloth and chunk like I that would have been a hit. Like, why didn't they do that? That would have been perfect.

Nicholas Pepin: I would not have been. I don't know why they never made a sequel. I mean I think I think ultimately I'm glad they didn't. And I know they keep threatening to do one now, but like none of those guys they shouldn't because

Tim Williams: Yeah. Well Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I don't want yeah, I don't want to see it now. I would've yeah, I would have liked to have seen them do a different adventure like a year or two later, but I don't I don't need to see them trying to do it now. Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: I don't I don't s I don't need to see a bunch of fifty year olds, know, mid mid fifty year old guys, know, pulling in some of them out of retirement to like go on another adventure. Like I you know, it's

ASHLEY: Yeah.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I really kind of think good.

ASHLEY: Yeah, I I've I I've I've heard ro yeah, I've heard rumors that it that if they were gonna do a sequel it would be their kids who are friends and the kids get in trouble or something and the parents have to get theget the Goonies back together to go help help the kids, yeah.

Tim Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: That's that's the only thing that that's the only thing that makes any sense,

Tim Williams: To help Right, right. It's still gotta be good though. Yeah. So but yeah, I kinda like even watching it now, like they make you know, they keep talking about, you know, Mikey always gets him in trouble, like he's always going on these adventures, which we never saw. And it made me think like I know like Stranger Things have now done their like animated tales of eight nineteen eighty five. I was like, that might be kind of cool to like do a hate to say a prequel 'cause who wants to see a prequel, but like an animated version of like what were some of the other adventures they went on? But once again,

ASHLEY: Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Williams: It's gotta be done. It's gotta be well done, written witten written well and have the same, you know, kind of if you can get that same kind of magic again. But but I wouldn't be opposed to to seeing that. So but but yeah. So another question before we before we get into like scenes and trivia. So I think I asked this the last time, but you guys weren't an episode. But we have like these kind of ensemble casts. I'll two questions. Number one, who was your favorite, which I didn't think I know the answer to that for Nicholas. Who was your favorite and then which of them did you relate to the most as a kid? Whoever wants to go first.

Nicholas Pepin: I mean my favorite, like you said, you pointed out I've already said it. I mean Chunk is my favorite. I guess I mean I would have related somewhere between him and Data. Because like, you know, trying to do invention trying to do the weird inventions and just being the nerdy kid, like that that would have been where I would have been. I'm I'm not I'm cool like like the

Tim Williams: Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Nicholas Pepin: like Josh Brolin's character, I'm not, you know, ⁓ mouth just talks too much, like

Tim Williams: Right.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah. So yeah, I would have been a a combination of those two that I probably would have related to.

Tim Williams: About you, Jed.

ASHLEY: Yeah, I I related more to to Mikey than anybody else. would probab ⁓ people would probably say chunk just 'cause I'm a hefty hefty fella. I've always been even as a kid. but d wasn't as as as silly and as as you know, mind boggled as he was. ⁓ I wasn't as a smart aleck like like ⁓ Mouth or you

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ha ha

ASHLEY: Or you know, or or smart as data. So I think I was more long Mikey, you know. I wanted to go off, you know. Like you said, you you mentioned seeing the movie then want to go out in your your woods. I did kind of the same thing. Like there's gotta be treasure in the the the woods back there. So I would I would say say Mikey. I I I w it's funny, even you think of the girls, I'm like I like, Well well maybe Steph.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

ASHLEY: But then she kinda annoyed me a few times. I'm like, Okay, well not her.

Tim Williams: who was your favorite of the care of the the Goonies?

ASHLEY: Who's my favorite Goonie? I would probably say Mikey. Mikey, yeah.

Tim Williams: Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. I I think I'm with Nicholas Chunk was my favorite just because he was the most those he was the funniest of them. But I'm like you a Chad. I was more like Mikey. Like I was the I really wasn't the ringleader. Like I wasn't that I wasn't the one that kind of led the group, but I was the more like adventurous and like I was into like maps and stuff like that. But ⁓ my my one of my close friends at that age

ASHLEY: Hmm. No.

Tim Williams: was very much like mouth. So I could definitely see him as like the two of us together. Like we didn't really have the other kind of friends, but like the two of us that kind of seen if you saw us together, like how do those two guys be friends? Cause one's like I was more like the quiet one that didn't really say a lot, but was like always thinking about stuff to do. And he was the one just running his mouth and like trying to be funny and be cool. So but yeah. So all right. Always a fun question to ask. So All right, well let's talk about some ⁓ trivia scenes. I'll try to cut some of these a little short for time. according to Chris Columbus, he actually came up with some of the ideas for the Goonies because he grew up in a factory town in Ohio where there was nothing to do. When he was a kid, he would go into the abandoned coal mines during the summertime. Originally he was gonna set the movie in Ohio. And then it's well documented that this movie was, even though Spielberg is listed as a producer, he was pretty much a co-director. He directed several scenes, including the Goonies Banging on the Underground Pipes, as well as the Wishing Well scene that he's known for. and I think there was one story that I'd read, I think when we did the original recording, that I think it was Sean Aston that was talking about. It w it was during like some panel they had done recently where he was like, Richard Donner would come and give them like specific notes. And then as he was walking back to the director chair, Spielberg would come up and give him like additional notes, like, play it this way. So it's like they felt like they had two directors, like they would both give ⁓ different, you know, they weren't contradictory, but just like they were given they were both b they were being directed by both both men. So

Nicholas Pepin: That is not the ⁓ first Spielberg slash some other director production I've heard that about.

Tim Williams: No. ⁓

ASHLEY: Yeah.

Tim Williams: Yeah. another kind of well known fact is that Donner had Sean Aston improvise the legend of one-eyed Willie. Donner pay basically told Aston a similar story moments before they shot and had the actor tell it back to him as best as he could while the camera was rolling. So I thought that was kind of cool. the slide for the Goonies to ride to get to the cave was a fully functioning water slide. The end credits thanked the Langford Surf Coaster Corporation for building it, and rumor has it Donner and the crew would allegedly sneak in after filming rap for the day and would ride the slide. I would too, man. That slide was awesome, yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Well yeah, why wouldn't you? If you're gonna spend that kind of money and time, why wouldn't you use it for a few other

ASHLEY: Yeah. That was the cool part. Yeah.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Yeah. And my favorite like my favorite part of that is like they all came out of a different shoot at the end. Like I wanna know, like I you it never shows where they kind of split off, but you notice like there's like three different exits of or how that comes out of the cave. And I love how the music hits those hits from as soon as they splash on the water. That's just like another one of my favorite scenes for sure.

ASHLEY: Mm. Like yeah, I I thought the same exact thing. I was thinking, well they probably did it so they wouldn't land on each other 'cause they came out. It was one continuous shot too, or at least the the main shot. And yeah. So

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. All right. So there is no uncut version that's been released on home video, but the basic cable or local stations often air the film with a version that includes two deleted scenes that were not in the original film and not on the DVD or video. And that's the stop and shop scene and then giant octopus. I did watch these on my they they both those scenes were on the Blu-ray. I'd seen them before. But if you haven't seen them before, the stop and shop is right after the Goonies leave the house on their bikes. They drop by a drugstore. Mikey locates an actual map of Astoria and realizes that the treasure map matches the same the the coastline is the exact same as what's on the treasure map. So that's how he knows to go to, you know, the next scene where they're they're looking at the the restaurant. In that same sh in that same scene, Chunk is licking ice cream quartz in the freezer and Troy shows up being like the ultimate bully bad guy and he tries to set fire to the one eyed Willie map. He actually pretends it's a blunt and tries to light it. So which I'm probably sure why that pretty sure that's why it got cut from the PG version. even though I know, you know, the Chichin Chong movies were rated PG in the eighties, so I mean maybe not too bad.

ASHLEY: Yeah.

Tim Williams: but yeah, but it's it's actually a good scene if you watch it. It it it ties a few things together that's not clearly stated in the movie, but it does run a little long. the other one is the giant octopus. Of course, at the end, when the news crew are asking them a question, you hear Data talk about the octopus and they're like, There was no octopus, but in them there is a deleted scene where an octopus attacks Steph and for reason underwater, Data shoves a walkman into its mouth. And the octopus lets stuff go and starts dancing away in the water. It is far the worst scene and I'm so glad it's cut. I don't know why they would have even put it on the cable versions. It's just so ludicrous. Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah last night was the first time I saw it because they do have some of the deleted scenes on my digital copy as well. And I I'd always like that that octopus line had always thrown me 'cause it's like, what are you talking about? Cause Chun's the one that lies about everything, so why is day why is data, you know? But yeah, and then you see that

Tim Williams: Okay, yeah. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Why why yeah. Yeah. Which is funny why they left that yeah, it's funny why they left that line in the final cut if it's not in there. So we'll go ahead.

ASHLEY: Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah, but yeah, it was one of those like now having seen it, I'm like, man, I'm glad they cut it. But at the same time, like, can you imagine the amount of money and effort it took to build that s ⁓ and work that scene for them to just be like, Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna cut that.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

ASHLEY: Got it.

Nicholas Pepin: But yeah, I think ultimately we have a better film because they cut it.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm.

ASHLEY: Yeah, as I watched it yesterday I I that that that same thing. I'm like, ⁓ yeah, there's a deleted scene And I put it up on my YouTube to watch it, but I I did not watch it. So th guess w I'm watching it when I get done. I'm trying to watch both of them. That I don't want

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I when I when I put ⁓ up on yeah. When I put ⁓ up on YouTube several years ago, they were pretty grainy copies. And even the one on the blue gray that I have is not super clean, but but yeah. But I think one of the ones I found was like when it used to air on Disney Channel, they had those scenes in there. It had the little Disney Channel logo in the corner. So somebody had recorded it that way. So ⁓

Nicholas Pepin: The the ones on the digital copy that I have were were nice, clean and crisp. Like they they like were finished enough that like they could have inserted them in the film. But yeah, no, I get why they cut the the stop and shop sign, but also at the same time like like it does provide more information, but at the same time it also confuses the timeline because the br the brother catches up to them and then somehow they get away from him again and then he doesn't catch up again until they're at the restaurant. So

Tim Williams: Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I had the same thought. Yeah. I had the same thought. Which makes me wonder did they cut did they decide to cut that scene and then film the scene of him on the bike and running running brand off the road? Like I wonder if they put that scene in there to kind of instead. So don't know. Didn't dig that deep, but yeah. So there's also a scene where the Goonies oath is said, and this is ⁓ this is not that you can't find this anywhere.

Nicholas Pepin: It's very confusing, but yeah.

Tim Williams: but after the group finds themselves in the wishing well immediately immediately after Andy says, I'm not a Goonie, she has sworn in, and that's when she send tro sends Troy's jacket up in the bucket. It's never been shown on TV or any DVD version, but pictures of the scene are printed in the Goonies official souvenir magazine. And if you've never heard oath, the oath goes like this: I will never betray my goondoc friends. We will stick together until the whole world ends, through heaven and hell and nuclear war.

Nicholas Pepin: Mm-hmm.

Tim Williams: Good pals like us will stick like tar. In the city or in the country or in the forest or in the boonies, I'm proudly declared a fellow Goonie. So you've all been sworn in.

Nicholas Pepin: Well I'm honored. I I you know, I I love this movie, and we're about to find out how much I love it in a second, but like I noticed I noticed that like the more I watch it, the more the logic of this movie definitely doesn't hold up. And so like it's just one of those like I love it because like it's nostalgic and I think if you watch it for the first time you're not gonna catch a lot of the stuff, but the more you watch it, like any movie, you're just like, Wait, what?

Tim Williams: Yes. Yep. We're we're getting there. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm hmm. Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Wait that no, come on now. Like the like the Spanish translation. Like he clearly knows he's saying the word droga and cocaine and like like he clearly knows the yeah, Cacarocha, like he clearly know so like there's no way he isn't intentionally like but like ⁓ she's like you know you're like mmm like I you know like even if you don't know Spanish that well you're not gonna accidentally say some of those words that he was saying.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

ASHLEY: Dunno.

Tim Williams: Yeah. And then too, like when he's reading stuff on the map, why does it rhyme in English if it was written in Spanish?

Nicholas Pepin: Or or like I've obviously the map's been up in the attic for who knows how long, but before that map got in the attic, else saw Hey, this looks an awful lot like that spot over there. Like it took some twelve year old kid to go, hey, wait a minute, like

Tim Williams: Mm. Ha ha. Right, right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Nicholas Pepin: No, so you but you don't want to think too hard. You just want to enjoy it for being what it is.

Tim Williams: That's why we love it. Exactly. Exactly.

ASHLEY: So the in the scene in the scene in the attic where they look at the map and it's got Spanish on it and they get mouth to read it. Corey Feldman starts intrutes beware like he why are you doing this like I guess piratey voice already? And then it it goes into his normal voice. Like

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah, well I think yeah. I think because they were all dressed up like pirates, like he was just he was just being goofy until he was like, Wait a minute, this is this seems to be something genuine and so that's why he changed I I kinda like that little I I like that they did that. So

ASHLEY: This is for real. Yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Well and clearly the one eyed Willy myth was that was well known in that part of town. There's like no no but like they were just like

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right.

Nicholas Pepin: Like that was there was the the pirate myth of of one I'd really I mean, obviously fake for the movie, but you know, w in that town like every town's got that urban legend and that that one happened to be there.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

ASHLEY: And then the added Chester Copper Pot angle too, back was the thirties or something that he went looking for it.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He just needed a group of friends to help him 'cause obviously it's not a one man job, so

ASHLEY: Yeah. No. and the the the thing well what's in his wallet? ⁓ just this card with Luke Gehrig on it. He had a Lou Gehrig baseball card. Like that's probably worth a fortune. What Exactly.

Tim Williams: ⁓ yeah, yeah, baseball card, yeah. Which yeah, exactly, which they he he would have just kept that card, he didn't need any of the rubies, they would they would have had enough money then. Yeah, yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: Yeah Lou. Right, as I say, they could have just they could have just stopped turning around right there, it would have been everything would have been paid off with that card alone.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ right, last little thing about different So according to Jenny Lou Tugan, the ending was changed drastically from the script. In the original ending, the Goonies went home and it was while Mikey's family was packing to leave that Rosalita finds the marble bag in Jim's while doing laundry. There was reference to the last scene being changed to occurring on the beach, so the ending was simplified and the inferno could be seen a magnificent ex exiting shot.

ASHLEY: Cue Cindy Lauper. There we go.

Tim Williams: At the end, which I think is much better. So I can see why they changed that from the original script. So all right, looks like the box office. The Goonies released theatrically in the United States on June 7th, 1987. It grossed $9 million as opening weekend and became second behind Rambo First Blood Part 2. It grossed $63.9 million in the United States and Canada, placing among the top 10 highest grossing films in 1985. So yes, I thought this was Two things I'll for that I'm not gonna put this on the I'll I'll delete this from the episode, but I did not realize when I scheduled this that it was we recorded on the same day that it came out in 1987. So that was kind of cool to watch it again on the anniversary. And then all day I was like, I was craving pizza ⁓ and ordered pizza from Domino's, and of course there's a Domino's box at the end. I was like, and I don't ever order from Domino's, it was just the it was the cheapest and it's the one that could get here the quickest from DoorDash. So ⁓ but I just thought that was I was yeah.

ASHLEY: They have good they have good deals.

Tim Williams: I thought that was pretty funny. I was like, wow, I didn't realize I was watching it on June 7th. So that was kind of cool. All right, now it's time to take a look at how well this 80s flick holds up today. It's the rewatchability nostalgia meter. It's our way of measuring how enjoyable a movie is for repeat viewings, along with the waves and nostalgia it brings. If you've if you're new to the show, here's how it works. It's a one to ten scale. Any number between one and ten will do, but here a few parameters to help you decide. At the bottom of the meter is a number one. It means I saw it once and that was enough. In the middle of the meter is a five, means it's a good rewatch every couple of years. And the highly coveted number ten is at the top, highly rewatchable and full of nostalgia. So, Nicholas, does the Goonies land for you on the rewatchability and nostalgia meter?

Nicholas Pepin: a one. I mean No, on now. It's a you ⁓ know, no, it's ⁓ no not it's a ten. Come on now. I mean I've watched this movie so many times unlike other movies that I've done with you recently where it's like I love it but like I don't watch it all that often. This is one that I watch a lot, you know? ⁓ even if I don't w see the whole thing, like I've I've you know it's a ten. I mean

Tim Williams: Don't make me kick you off my podcast. Don't make me kick you off my podcast.

ASHLEY: whoo Thought you were serious for a second.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I'm not gonna argue with you. What do you say, Chad?

ASHLEY: I I haven't watched it as much as is probably you guys. wife really likes it. We watched it together yesterday for the for the podcast. I watched it by myself last year, but she was out doing her vibe thing with the mountains and whatnot. So but it's pretty high of I would I'll give it an eight and a half.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm.

ASHLEY: Like it's not ten for me. There were there'd be other movies that I would wanna that rather see, but if this is on I I would definitely watch it. I would I would rewatch this again.

Tim Williams: Okay. Okay. Well, I'm with Nicholas. It's a ten. I don't even have to think about it. It's it's one of those that I've like like Nicholas said, I even though I remember when I saw for the first time, it's so ingrained in my childhood. like I have to have a copy of it. I've got digital, I've got the Blu ray, it's one that I will watch. like I said, there's just there's a certain time in the fall when it's like I've got to watch the Goonies. And so it's become something I watch at least every year. So so yeah. So yeah, definitely a 10 for me. So well let us know where you think the Goonies should rank on the rewatchly nostalgia meter for you. Send us an email, let us know on social media, or us a message right here on YouTube if that's where you're watching the podcast. Well I want to thank Nicholas and Chad for joining. Nicholas, my plan is drop this fourth of July weekend. So what do you have you have got any plans for fourth or for July Da. You have any plans for pop culture roulette for early July that you want to promote?

Nicholas Pepin: not r really 'cause I I'm I'm not I'm working on a big project. I just don't know how big it's gonna get yet.

Tim Williams: Ha ha ha. Gotcha. Gotcha. All right.

Nicholas Pepin: So yeah, I mean just I don't know what how you just want me to do my normal speech then or all right. So I mean if you want to hear about pop culture, anything, everything that we want to talk about, ⁓ head on over to Pop Culture Roulette. You can find us on ⁓ anywhere your podcasts are found. ⁓ look us up on Facebook, Instagram, ⁓ can contact us, ⁓ get in get in touch with us over there. we like to have a a lot of fun and just

Tim Williams: Sure, yeah.

Nicholas Pepin: do brackets and and give each other a hard time, but yeah, we got so we got some big things coming. ⁓ it's just it's too early to to to release that information just yet.

Tim Williams: Gotcha. Leave ⁓ with a tease. I like it. And Chad, you no podcast for you, but you're still the afternoon host of the radio station in Jackson, Georgia.

ASHLEY: No. I am, yes sir. I've been doing a new thing. I'll kind of promote, I guess. ⁓ not I w really wish we I do have we do have a website, but you can't listen to it the station, sadly. But ⁓ I I'm doing a new thing and and and you might like this too. It's the it's Chad's Time Machine Countdown. All week. I count down the one hundred the the billboard top one hundred songs of a year that I pick.

Tim Williams: Sure. Yeah. Gotcha.

ASHLEY: Starting at one hundred on Monday and we finished the top twenty on on Friday. ⁓ been I've been boss actually likes like he's like, I like that time machine thing you're doing. So this Mon Monday, if I don't change my mind and ⁓ hopefully ⁓ we're going to nineteen sixty seven and count down the one hundred sounds of nineteen sixty seven. I've done f at least four eighties. done eighty four, eighty one, eighty seven. ⁓

Tim Williams: Okay. ⁓ wow.

ASHLEY: I've done nine ninety one was the hardest 'cause there's a lot of there's a lot of rap in the ninety one in our station. That's just not what that's not our genre. ⁓ so I kinda had to Okay, well here's a little sound clip it from that song, so let's move on. that was a shorter that was a shorter week too. But but yeah, but just counting like I'm picking one. I got back to the future sound bites that I play in the beginning and the end. Kinda and

Tim Williams: Ha ha ha. Mm-hmm. Yeah, when you're in the nineties, yeah. Gotcha. Ha ha ha.

ASHLEY: More stuff is to come. I got more ideas and just enjoying it. So if you're ever in the Jackson area south of Atlanta, tune in ninety two point one.

Tim Williams: Very cool. Cool. All right. Well, that's a wrap on another trip to the greatest decade of cinema. If we sparked a memory or helped you to rediscover a classic, please head to Apple Podcast and leave us a five-star review. It truly helps the show reach more fans like you. To make sure you're always in the loop for our next deep dive, hit that follow or subscribe button right now. And if you want to help keep the show running, consider becoming a partner at buymeacoffee.com. For more 80s goodness, our digital headquarters is always open at 80sflickflashback.com. ⁓ And while you're there, check out our T public store for original designs and movie-inspired merch that'll have you looking like an 80s icon. Thanks, ⁓ Nicholas and Chad for being here. Thanks everybody for tuning in. I'm Tim Williams for the 80s flick flashback podcast. Goonies Never Say Die.