"Saturday the 14th" (1981) with Laramy Wells

Tim Williams: Ah, Friday the 13th, a day of cancellations, superstitions, and for some, a day to marathon the Friday the 13th franchise. What can I say? People love a good gorefest now and then, but what about the day after Friday the 13th? What about Saturday the 14th? Who cares? Well, someone did, because they made a movie about it. And since it was released in 1981, we're going to talk about it. So unpack those moving boxes, clean out the fridge. And don't open that old, old book as Laramie Wells and I discuss Saturday the 14th from 1981 on this episode of the 80s flick flashback podcast. Welcome to the show. Everybody. I am your host, Tim Williams. Joining me to brave the cobwebs, the vampires and the terrible rubber monster suits. It's a guy who knows that while Friday the 13th is bad, Saturday the 14th is much, worse. Let's welcome back to the show Laramie Wells from moving panels podcast. How you doing Laramie?

Laramy: There's so many owls, So many owls.

Tim Williams: Yeah. So many owls. keeping us up at night. Yeah. yeah. So ⁓ Larry very excited about Saturday the 14th. He owns a Blu-ray copy. I'm sure it's a rarity these days, but we were talking about before we started recording. is a true forgotten eighties flick. Not a lot backstory, not a lot of trivia that we're going to be able to go over, but we will talk about all that there is to talk about in this zany. ⁓

Laramy: Yes.

Tim Williams: very, kind a genre mixing Yeah.

Laramy: Yeah, and I'm sure you'll talk about this, but Roger Corman adjacent? Yeah.

Tim Williams: Yes, yeah, very much so, very much so. ⁓ well, let's jump right in. No need to waste any time, but, ⁓ you know how we do this. Laramie, when did you see Saturday the 14th for the very first time on TV? ⁓

Laramy: And you know how we do this. I saw this on TV. don't remember exactly when. I just know I saw it on TV as a kid. That's that's that's all I can tell you. So. And this is one of those that stuck with me like it's one that I saw it as a kid did not see it again until I was an adult. But I remembered the movie.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I, good. Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. And see, I'm kind of the opposite because I've seen that cover, like, you know, it pops up, of course, around Friday the 13th and different eighties groups that I'm a part of. And I'm like, I know I've seen it, but I really couldn't remember much about it. And I think in my mind, I kind of got it mixed in with Transylvania six, 5,000 with Ed Begley Jr. because they're both kind of like, you know, kind of similar spoof comedies.

Laramy: I could see that. Yeah. Wait, you foolish thing of, ugh, you first thing of Begley Jr. and not Jeff Goldblum.

Tim Williams: yeah, that's right. He's in that and Gina Davis. So yeah. But when I went back and watched this, like, I know I saw this, but it was very like watching it for the first time. Cause like, I know I watched it as a kid, but I don't think it was one that was on repeat as much. I ⁓ even this was one that was like heavy on rotation on HBO. Like I think if it was, I would remember it more, but I think it was always in the video store.

Laramy: And Gina Davis,

Tim Williams: And it was one that I think we would pick up and we would watch, but it wasn't in that heavy rotation like some of the other 80s movies we talked about it. So how long has it been since you rewatched it before rewatching it for the podcast?

Laramy: I honestly could not remember. Like I to think back. I seen it again, but I really could not remember when it was. ⁓ But probably several years since I've seen it. But yeah, and you talked about confusing it with Transylvania 6-5000. I actually confuse it with, let's see if you remember this, Mr. Boogity.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Mm.

Laramy: which was a Disney movie. Yeah. Yeah. And then it also it has a sequel. Yeah, I think that was early 90s. And then it has a sequel. And I actually remember the sequel more than I remember the because I think the sequel is like a full length movie and the original was just a short. Of Mr. Boogie. But yeah, no, I don't know. I honestly don't know. I've probably seen this movie four times in my lifetime. And yes, I do own it.

Tim Williams: Yes, I do. Yeah. Disney movie. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that one. Yeah. That was 90s though, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. ⁓ okay. Maybe so. it just stuck when it just stuck. Yeah. Yeah, I was probably it was probably a kid when I saw last like it's not one that I've rewatched in the last, you know, since I started the podcast, it's been on my watch list that long. But we had to wait. We had to wait to finish the Friday the 13th franchise before I was ready to jump in, even though very little to do with Friday the 13th at all. ⁓

Laramy: So, yeah. ⁓ has nothing to do with Friday the 13th.

Tim Williams: Well, while we're talking about that, let's jump into our new segment called Risky Quizness, I'm going to ask Laramy a few, this time only have three true or false questions about how this movie was made, the pre-production and casting. So I think he's going to ace this one. He's going to redeem himself from our ⁓ glory ⁓ No, really. All right.

Laramy: Haha, can't do worse, can I?

Tim Williams: True or false, Saturday the 14th was written as a direct parody of the ⁓ slasher franchise.

Laramy: I mean, false because it's more. Yeah, it's a parody of the monster movies.

Tim Williams: That is false. Yeah. Yeah, while it definitely capitalized on the slasher craze with its title and marketing, the script is actually a spoof of classic 30s and 40s universal monster movies and old school haunted house tropes. So which is very evident. All right. He's one for one. Sure or false. Paul Apprentice, who plays the mother Mary, filmed the entire movie with a broken arm that she had cleverly hid from the camera.

Laramy: I do think there were ⁓ scenes in which it wasn't broken. But it's fun to watch all the scenes where she's not moving her right arm.

Tim Williams: Yeah, yep. Right, right. Yeah, she broke her right forearm just before filming began. If you watch closely, she's constantly using random props, clothing and specific camera angles to keep her cast hidden. All right. if he can do a full sweep. Number three, your last question here. True or false? The film was intentionally rushed into production to beat a rival horror comedy that was originally titled Thursday the 12th. ⁓

Laramy: I've never heard of that, so I'm gonna say it's fault.

Tim Williams: So close, Laramie. But yeah, it was true. United Artists had a spoof in the works called Thursday the 12th, which eventually came out a year later under the title Pandemonium. Producer Julie Corman and director Richard Arko went fast track Saturday the 14th so they could hit theaters first. Yeah, I've actually watched Pandemonium and that was one that they played on HBO a ton. I actually just rewatched it in the last like year and a half. And it is...

Laramy: ⁓ really? Huh, never heard of that either.

Tim Williams: much more of a spoof of the slasher movies. Like it's teenagers in a high school or like they know it's kids that come back to the high school for a high school reunion. there's a slasher that's like they're killing the adults, but it's, you know, come to find out it's somebody that they bullied in high school. I I may I may putting two other ⁓ parodies together, but yeah. Student bodies. Yeah. It's very, very similar, but student bodies was R.

Laramy: Well, I know there was the movie, excuse me. I know there was the movie Student Bodies. Yeah.

Tim Williams: And pandemonium is very much PG, but it's much more like like an airplane type parody where it's like a lot of the site gags and like those kind of things. But anyway, we'll get to that one. I was like, I was like, maybe now that we finished the fight of the fight of the 13th franchise, I may do like the parody comedies going forward. So since there's a few student bodies, pandemonium or two. And there are a few others that came out around that time. So. yeah, so that That is pretty much all there is about pre-production. Julie who is ⁓ sister of is the wife of Roger Corman, right? I think that's right. Yeah. She wanted she heard about the original story that was a parody of the ⁓ old monster movies, she wanted to throw her hat in ring as a producer, got a director ⁓ board and they the movie like three weeks. It was very quick, very quick filming and production. So. Anything that you know about it. Was there any special features on your Blu-ray?

Laramy: There's an interview with Julie Corman, but honestly, it's just her talking about like the writer and the actor. Like it was it was kind of dull, to be honest.

Tim Williams: Yeah ⁓ What the movie is? Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, well, let's jump into the cast. So we'll start with the first person, Richard Benjamin as John Hyatt, the father of the family. He has starred in a number of well-known films, including Goodbye Columbus from 1969, Catch 22, 1970, Portnoy's Complaint in 72, Westworld, The Last of Sheila, both in 1973. and Love at First Bite in 1979, which was also a horror kind of spoof movie. After directing for television, his first film as a director was the 1982 comedy My Favorite Year starring Peter O'Toole, who was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor. His other films as a director include City Heat in 84, The Money Pit, which we've covered in 86, My Stepmother's an Alien in 88, Mermaids in 1990, Made in America in 93. Milk Money in 94, Mrs. Winterborn in 96 and Marcy X in 2003. He was actually cast in lead role for this film after two years earlier, having made a standout supporting performance in another horror comedy, Love at First Bite, as I mentioned, which also spoofed the Dracula legend. And I would say I bought a two pack blu ray of Love at First Bite and what's the one with Jim Carrey and Lauren Hutton?

Laramy: ⁓ that twice bitten?

Tim Williams: Twice Bitten, yeah, that's it. I couldn't remember the other one. So I watched both of those a couple last year and it's actually really funny. it's definitely dated for 79. It's got a whole disco number in the middle, like a little spoof of Saturday Night Fever in there. yeah, but I remember that's what I kind of remember Richard Benjamin from. I kind of know him more as a director than an actor, but kind of like this movie.

Laramy: Hehe, yeah. What's crazy is I remember him, you probably don't, I don't even know if you'll know what I'm talking about. There was a, I want to say it was an HBO movie called The Pentagon Wars with Kelsey Grammer and Carrie Elwes. And it's a comedy, but it's based on a true story about the Bradley vehicle and he's in it.

Tim Williams: ⁓ no. Okay. Ha ha ha

Laramy: That for some reason is what sticks in my head is when I whenever I see him like I remember back to the Pentagon Wars. I'm sure I've seen him another.

Tim Williams: Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think I might have known him more from TV, but I definitely knew him from this. And I kind of love that first bite because I remember that love at first bite used to play on TV like every Halloween when I was really little, like, you know, from like early in the early 80s. And so think I watched I watched the TV version a couple of times. All right. And then we've got Paula Prentice as Mary Hyatt, the mother of the family. She's best known for her roles and where the boys are in 1960. Man's favorite sport? Question mark in 1964. What's new? Pussycat? Question mark 1965. Lots of questionable titles. Catch 22 in 1970. The Parallex View in 74 and the Stepford Wives in 75. From 67 to 68, she co-starred with her husband, Richard Benjamin, in the CBS comedy He and She, for which she received a nomination.

Laramy: Yeah

Tim Williams: for Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress on a Comedy Series. So I think they met, no, they were already married when they made this movie, so yeah. As we mentioned earlier, the movie was produced by Julie Corman, wife of legendary B movie king Roger Corman. Julie Corman revealed in interviews that Paula Prentiss absolutely refused to wear standard vampire fangs for her scenes after her character is bitten. Richard Benjamin actually had to be the one to play mediator and break the news to the director. So I did read like he had to convince her that she could pull off looking, being a vampire even without the fangs.

Laramy: Yeah, she. Yeah, she actually talked about that in the little interview session. So, yeah. Yeah, I was I did not know they were married. Like, I had never heard of the he he and she show. I didn't know. Honestly, I knew her from Stepford Wives. I'm actually I'm a big fan of the separate wives. I did know her from that. But I think that is the ⁓ thing I know her from.

Tim Williams: ⁓ okay, in the interview, okay. No. He ain't no. Nope. Yeah, wouldn't have known her. I I've seen the Stepford wise, but it's been a long time. So but yeah, is the only thing I think I would have known her from for sure.

Laramy: Yeah, apparently the two of them an episode of Saturday Night Live back in the 80s too, like together, like they co-hosted.

Tim Williams: No, I could see that. Yeah, I think I saw on his film on his like filmography, I think he'd hosted Saturday Live a couple of times, so maybe two or three times.

Laramy: Yeah, apparently that he and she show was pretty popular. So, yeah.

Tim Williams: Yeah, must have been. yeah. But they didn't show those reruns after school when I got home, so didn't see those. yeah. ⁓ yeah. Scarecrow and Mrs. ⁓ Cagney and Lacey. Sorry. stop now. All right. Definitely a face that I do remember. I do know and a name I know. Jeffrey Tambor as Voldemort, the vampire looking to buy the house.

Laramy: Mm-mm. That's all Simon and Simon, but not he and she. ⁓ There you go.

Tim Williams: I mean, he's known for his television roles such as Jeffrey Brooks, the uptight neighbor of Stanley and Helen Roper in the TV sitcom, The Ropers from 79 to 80. He was on the Larry Sanders show. He was in Arrested Development, probably is most well known to this generation. He was also on Transparent from 2014 to 2017. His film roles include Injustice for All in 79, Mr. Mom, which we covered in 83. There's something about Mary in 98.

Laramy: Yes.

Tim Williams: How the Grinch Stole Christmas in 2000, Hellboy and Hellboy 2, The Golden Army. He was in the Hangover Trilogy, The Accountant and The Death of Stalin. But yeah, he's just been in so many movies. Yeah, yeah. So I love it when he does comedy. I mean, he's good in like, like, you know, more serious roles, but he's so funny. yeah, I knew him mainly from Mr. Mom. That was the movie that I saw.

Laramy: I forgot he was in the account. ⁓ yeah.

Tim Williams: a gazillion times as a kid. that's probably first introduction to Jeffrey Tambor outside of this that actually remember.

Laramy: But let's see when did based off of years, I would probably say my to where I actually like knew who I was looking at would honestly would probably be the Grinch. And then it would be arrested development because I think the Grinch came first, so it would be the Grinch first. Yeah. Yeah, and the Grinch was 2000. Yeah. So, yeah, so I would have I would have immediately recognized him from.

Tim Williams: Who he was, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yes, Arrested Development was 2003 and The Grinch was 2000. Yeah.

Laramy: The Grinch would have been my not that I would because I know I saw Mr. Mom as a kid and.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, his role is pretty small in that he's like at the very beginning and the end, but just not much. He's not like a main character in the neighborhood. He was one of his coworkers or his boss, I think. So.

Laramy: Yeah. And I've seen and I mean, know I knew later that he's in Brenda Star, which is another comic movie. But yeah, no, yeah, I don't think it would be anything before Grinch that I would have immediately known or recognized him. I probably still couldn't have told you his name. It probably wasn't until Arrested Development that I could have told you his name. But but.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right, right.

Laramy: Identifiable I would have gone out like when I saw him in Arrested Development. I would have went that's the mayor from the Grinch

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I would have been like, that's Michael Keaton's boss that fired him in Mr. Mom.

Laramy: Hehehe.

Tim Williams: All right. And then next on the list, we got Severn Darden as Valhiel Singh. He was an actor and writer known for Battle for the Planet of the Apes in 73. He was also a real genius in 85 and back to school in 86. Fun fact, he was also a founding member of the Second City Chicago based comedy troupe, as well as his predecessor, the Compass Players. His.

Laramy: Yep, she talked about that in the interview.

Tim Williams: His eccentric take on the monster hunter Van Helsing includes a running joke where he dramatically announces, do not drink coffee. This is a direct dead pan parody of Bela Lugosi's iconic line from 1931's Dracula, where he always states, I never drink wine.

Laramy: Yeah. I would not have made that connection, but I get it now that you're saying it.

Tim Williams: But yeah, I didn't get it until I pulled it up. but yeah, he was fun. Another face that I recognized that I didn't expect to see here, Carrie Michaelson is Debbie Hyatt, the daughter. She sang on the soundtrack for Sesame Street and was performing in off-Broadway plays by age 11 and 75. Her family moved to Beverly Hills and she soon won guest spots on TV shows. such as different strokes, it is enough, but she's best known as I know her as Katie Koninsky on NBC sitcom, Give Me a Break with the fabulous Nell Carter. I was a huge Give Me a Break fan, huge. And I can honestly say I had probably had a crush on her when I was younger as well, because she was definitely the prettier daughter in my opinion. I mean, I'm not trying to be, well, sorry, no offense to the other daughter.

Laramy: Yep. Give me a break. Yes. Yeah. Wow. Insulting me.

Tim Williams: yeah, but that's definitely what I remembered her from. ⁓

Laramy: Yeah, no, I recognized her from that as well. But can't say I had a crush on her. I was a little too young in the 80s for that yet. My crushes didn't start until the 90s.

Tim Williams: Yeah. And that would have been. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, I'm I'm yeah, I'm saying I'm guessing because I was like I probably was too young to really think that. But I don't know. Reportedly, producer Roger Corman wanted her to be nude during the bath scene to spice up the video release in Europe. But she refused. He considered using a body double, but ultimately dropped the idea, which. The movie doesn't need that at all, like there's I mean, there's nothing there's no really violence or.

Laramy: No.

Tim Williams: language. mean, that would just be so out of it's such more of a such a tame like I didn't even saw other articles and reviews about how like a family friendly, you know, movie. So that would have really taken it out of that context for sure. So that's how I was hanging on for dear life with Kipler times. ⁓ yeah. The bubbles. Yeah.

Laramy: Yeah, came close though. She's, well also, but there's also, she's got the like, sud, yeah, bikini top.

Tim Williams: Yep, yep.

Laramy: But she she was you didn't mention her age. She was 20 when they made this movie. So So even though she I think she's supposed to be playing like a teenager She was 20 Yeah

Tim Williams: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. She was of age. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's probably paying like 16 15 or 16 probably. Yeah. And then the brother Billy Hyatt was played by Kevin Brando. Not much about him. He was in this movie. He was also in Uncommon Valor in 83 with Gene Hackman, the late great Gene Hackman and Patrick Swayze. And he was also in the Octagon 1980 with the Chuck Norris. And that's all I had on Kevin Brando. Even though he had a face, was like, he, was thinking he grew up with somebody that I'd seen in something else, but I've seen Uncommon Valor, maybe that's, that's it. But I just thought he had done more than that. ⁓ relation to Marlon Brando. He is actually the son of band member from like a group of like the, in the, like the sixties. was a, his dad was in a pop group. but I, it wasn't, they had like one song I didn't, I didn't make note of it, but.

Laramy: No. So no relation to Marlon Brando.

Tim Williams: I'm sorry. But yeah, he probably took Brando as a stage name to get him some work as a kid. One I had to do a little digging on Nancy Lee Andrews as Yolanda, wife of the vampire, Voldemar, Voldemar, Voldemar. All right. Before stepping on the movie set, she was a highly successful international fashion model who graced the covers of major magazines throughout the 60s and 70s. Her most famous pop culture footprint outside of modeling was her long-term relationship with Beatles drummer Ringo Starr. She met him through John Lennon and the two were engaged dating from 1974 until 1980. After their highly publicized split, which included a Palimony suit, she later published a book called A Dose of Rock and Roll showcasing her personal photos and stories from her time in the rock scene.

Laramy: ⁓ there you go.

Tim Williams: Very small role, but I was like, she had to be somebody, but there was very little information about her. And then only by name because he's only at the very beginning of the movie, but Stacy Keach Senior, who of course is the father of Stacy Keach Jr. Just goes by Stacy Keach. But anyway, he's known for Pet Sematary in 89, The Parallax View also in 74, which the wife was in. And he was also in Pretty Woman in 1990.

Laramy: Hahaha

Tim Williams: He's also, let's see, his other son, James Keach, an actor, director and producer was married to actress Jane Seymour. So part of an acting family, but that's all I got on the cast. Anybody that you wanted to mention or you thought it's worth mentioning?

Laramy: No, you had, I wanted to make sure you got Stacy Keach Jr. or Senior, excuse me. Because that was the one where when I saw his name pop up, was like, hey, look at there.

Tim Williams: Yeah. Senior. Yeah. All right, we're zooming right along. Let's talk about iconic favorite scenes. So this might be a little hard because it's not one that's kind of emblazoned in my mind, but if someone said the movie Saturday, the 14th, what scene immediately pops in your mind?

Laramy: So for me, there's there's two. There is the dad going, do you see any monsters in this room while the monster standing directly behind him? That always and then and then it is the mom going, ⁓ know, look at all these ⁓ when ⁓ surrounded by the bats like that's the main two. That's that always can connect to this movie. But but yeah, other than that. Nope.

Tim Williams: Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, it's on the bat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't have an iconic scene because like I said, I know the poster more than anything or the video cover more than anything else. I was trying to think if there was anything. I think ⁓ monster in the bed was a scene that I remembered seeing before. But wouldn't thought of that until I watched it again. And so I was like, ⁓ yeah, I remember this scene. And then.

Laramy: Which is, is, I'll hold it up for people who are actually watching this. Is that supposed to be Jeffrey Tambor?

Tim Williams: It's terrible. It's a yes, a terrible video poster. I don't know because they combined two of the monsters together. because it's the Dracula suit, but it's the creature from the Black Lagoon head. Yeah, so.

Laramy: Yeah. Kind of, It's really hard to tell. But man, ⁓ what'd you think of the cartoon animation at the beginning? Or the opening credits?

Tim Williams: Not a very good rendering. Oh, that might have that might have been my favorite part. My favorite scenes. I love the opening credits. And that once again, that was a part of that was like, oh, yeah. When it started, I was like, oh, I remember I remember the cartoon of the beginning. I remember all the different, you know, creatures coming up in the bat and all that kind of stuff. I was like, yeah, this this. Yeah. And then as the movie went on, I was like, maybe I never finished it. Like the cartoon after the cartoon was over, I was like, yeah, I'm done. Or after the kid in the.

Laramy: Yeah, all the eyes.

Tim Williams: with the creature behind him, the monster,

Laramy: I gotta tell you, I watched this with my family. ⁓ Lily was worried, I mean, she's almost eight. But I was like, no, it's a silly comedy. Even the things that look scary are just gonna be silly looking. ⁓ But we're watching it and at one point Ruby went, how did this movie get made? And then she was like, why did this movie get made?

Tim Williams: Okay. Yeah, she's, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Wise be under years.

Laramy: And honestly, I'm sitting there watching it going, no, it's just that silly ⁓ comedy and all that. And then it got to the end where Jeffrey Tambor and Helsing are like.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm.

Laramy: you posing at each other and then they're making train noises for some reason.

Tim Williams: Right.

Laramy: And that's when I sat there went, that's a interesting choice. There's some really bad ADR in it too. Like from the get go, when we first see Jeffrey Tambor and woman that plays ⁓ vampire's wife, that as soon as they started talking, I'm going, that's not what either of them are saying.

Tim Williams: There are some interesting like sound effects in this, yeah. Yeah. very bad. Very bad. ⁓ ⁓ Mm-hmm. ⁓ Right, right. And then it has such a

Laramy: I want to say there's even a point where the kids talking but the kids mouth isn't moving. Yeah.

Tim Williams: Is that moving? Yeah, yeah. And there's some weird cuts too. Like there's just like scenes that just like end abruptly. ⁓ was like, this is like, ⁓ like, was this supposed to be like a commercial break or something? Like it just, it was weird. It had some, it some weird moments, but you know, ⁓ yeah, were made. And I was trying to think, I was like, I don't, can't really say I'm not a Roger Corman, you know, expert. ⁓

Laramy: choices were made.

Tim Williams: I may have seen one or two of his movies, but I'm not one that watches a lot of them. I was like, is this his style? Is that kind of the way it really felt like one of those old B movies like the, you ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like drive the late night drive in type of movies. And also, well, maybe they're just parodying that as well. but yeah, what about favorite scenes? We talked about the opening credits. Any other favorite scenes?

Laramy: Yeah, like the Roger Corman movies. Yeah. No.

Tim Williams: I was like, I this was to be a short episode.

Laramy: No, will say it is so interesting that again, this is it's Saturday, Saturday the 14th. It comes out a year after ⁓ the Friday the 13th. It is not. So you would expect it to be a parody. ⁓ No no mention. In fact, this movie almost parodies Nightmare on Elm Street more. And that movie wasn't released till three years later.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Not at all. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, because they're they mention Elm Street is that it was it was the street they are living on. Yeah, yeah. Right, right.

Laramy: The house across the street looks like Nancy's house. And then the bathtub scene.

Tim Williams: Yes, the bathtub scene for sure.

Laramy: Like it almost makes me go, was Wes Craven like referencing this movie when he made the first Nightmare on Elm Street?

Tim Williams: Hehehehehe He was like, was like, nobody saw that Saturday, the 14th movie. Let's do this. And and I'm real sure. Yeah. Mm hmm.

Laramy: Yeah, we'll use the same house with the red door. We'll use the bathtub scene. We'll just use his glove instead of the fin. We'll it on Elm Street.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Let's talk about weird scenes as we're kind of there anyway. The scene where the cop first shows up and he's running past them at the house. And I didn't really hear what he said, but I guess he said, I forgot my badge or I left my badge at home. Always forgetting when he comes running. It's right after the scene where the realtor lady for some reason comes to the house in like the middle of the night and gets killed. So they show like her purse on the ground and little blood spatter.

Laramy: ⁓ I forgot. Yeah. sprays blood on it, ⁓

Tim Williams: Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking the cop is going to find the body while they're standing there. But no, it's completely disjointed. Like he only runs there then so that like what 20 minutes or 15 minutes later when called, they're screaming for help inside the house. He hears them as he happens to be walking back, putting his badge on. I was like, it was just weird. And no mention of the realtor lady goes missing like

Laramy: Yes. it was. Nope, nope, nope. You had to have the one kind of, I guess, shocking

Tim Williams: nothing. Hill yeah. Yeah. And then even though good.

Laramy: And that, but I love that scene too. When you get the flash and whatever the creature was like doing the, you know, wiggly arms, whatever he was doing, you see that silhouette and it's like, what is that? What is the creature doing? Like.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Laramy: Weird I also the when the. Creature from the black lagoon character comes up out of the tub the wrinkle in the suit. Like as he's coming up just killed me I was like such a such a fake suit.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Mm-hmm. And then what was the monster that it kept like its teeth? Like that's supposed to like, I guess it's gonna chomp on them. It was just like, that's no, no, no growl, no roar, just, just clenching teeth.

Laramy: Yeah. No. Well, even the the alien looking monster that we first see in the kids room and all that, like that looks like it's going to be like this like E.T. Mackinmey type like he's going to make friends with that one.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That and that's exactly what I thought was going to happen to like when he got close to him, I was like, ⁓ he's he's not dangerous. He wants to be a friend. But that was not the case. So logic, which we I know is big thing for you. Explain me the book, because I'm I got was like, OK, very evil dead ⁓ kind of reference there, which came out in 1980. So could have been possibly an inspiration for spoofing.

Laramy: Yes.

Tim Williams: But they, you know, it didn't really come. They didn't really mention until later about how whoever opened the book is the one that's cursed or whatever. But then kid just can't leave the house like every time it opens the door, it's just like, ⁓ yeah, yeah. So.

Laramy: Nobody can leave the house. Yeah, because that's the that's the running bit with the the delivery guy. And then he's during the party and then at the end of the movie when they're constantly going, who's he? I have no idea. We have we don't know who he is. Yeah, no, that's that's the running gag is that you enter the house, you cannot leave. But no, I didn't understand the book either. The whole thing like Jeffrey Tamborne says, you know, whoever controls the book controls the world.

Tim Williams: Yeah, yeah, ⁓ yeah, yeah, it comes in. Yeah, I don't, yeah. Right, right, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, not really. ⁓

Laramy: How? How do they control the world? and then... Yeah, it made no sense. Even when we get the... And I'm assuming we're okay now to do like a little bit of spoiler for this, you know, 46-year-old movie. ⁓ But even when we get ⁓ the that Van Helsing is actually the bad guy and the vampires are actually the good guys...

Tim Williams: Sure. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Laramy: Even when they're explaining all that, I'm going, then. Then why did he need the book like?

Tim Williams: Thank you.

Laramy: Why was Jeffrey Tamborne so... I've been waiting 300 years to get ahold of this. Why? What are you gonna do with it? Because it looked like the only thing that can be done with it is it releases monsters. And clearly that's not what you wanted. So what was your plan? And then it also made no sense. I was okay with...

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm.

Laramy: when the little kid finds out that if you hit a monster with it, hurts the monster. And I was like, okay, well that kind of makes sense because they came from the book and so the book can hurt them. I'm fine with that. Just giving it to Van Helsing at the end, it causes him to disintegrate.

Tim Williams: Right. You Right, right, right.

Laramy: OK, like. So what was Van Helsing's plan the whole time like? He never could have got his hands on that book like. Yeah, no, there's no explanation to it at all.

Tim Williams: Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's like we need an ending quick. We're already at 75 minutes. We can't go any longer. Let's this thing up really fast. So, well, you know, once again, three weeks to film. They were moving at a lightning fast pace with very low budget. The special effects were pretty bad. mean, when they turn into a bat, yeah, ⁓ like happening again? ⁓

Laramy: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. That's some great, great, whatever it was, stop motion or early of computer animation, whatever it was that, yeah, the two of them, I would have rather they just turn them back into animated ⁓ than whatever that was.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, and then the, was it the rat? Yeah. Or when somebody was eating something and I think it was it might have been the dead the cake and then the little little rat rat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say it was put the Muppet the Muppet rat that comes and grabs it. I was like, ⁓ man. ⁓ boy. Nothing.

Laramy: The cake. Yeah, and he puts the cake back and the rat, is clearly just somebody's hand. Yeah. Yeah, the rat that was all body, there was no legs on that thing. Cause it is just a sock puppet with teeth. It's like somebody just glued some hair to it, a couple little eyes and then yeah. It's so bad, it's so, it's Roger Corman's So Bad It's Good. Like.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah. All right. We're right there. So like I said, there's I don't have any trivia to really add besides even though the movie was not successful, the box office, it did produce a sequel, which there we mentioned to us in the last episode. Saturday, the 14th strikes back that came out in 1988, which was made and released. But let's talk about it now. Yeah, it was made. was made and released. Didn't haven't watched it yet.

Laramy: That was it. It was made and released.

Tim Williams: Reviews are terrible. Reviews for this were terrible, too. But anyway, but kind of somewhat a variation of a question you ask on your show. Well, let's say you were hosting a midnight movie marathon. What other early ⁓ 80s comedy would you make the perfect double feature with Saturday the 14th? So kind of like a what would you pair this with?

Laramy: I I'd pair it with the sequel, but you did say early 80s and the sequel came out in 87, I Probably student bodies.

Tim Williams: Early 80s, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Laramy: I mean, I can't think of, I'm trying to think of early 80s horror to pair it up with and I can't, Student Bodies is the, this one is, because like I said, I had never heard of Pandemonium. ⁓ I'm probably, yeah. And I'm probably more familiar with like more early 90s stuff. Because yeah, because, and again, late 80s, because you got the sequel to this.

Tim Williams: Yeah, yeah. And see, I would pick that one. Yeah, I would pick pandemonium as my... Yeah.

Laramy: And then I think early 90s got repossessed the Leslie Nilsson Exorcist, yeah, Linda Blair returns and gets repossessed Yeah, Yeah, if I yeah if I were to do anything it would be to pair it with student bodies Where I would make student bodies the a film and this one the B film

Tim Williams: Yeah, yeah. Leslie Nielsen, Linda Blair, yeah. Yeah, for the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am sticking with the parody theme, I would do pandemonium if I want to stick with the movie monsters theme, even though it is somewhat of a comedy, not the same type. I do monster squad. I think that would that would probably pair pair pretty well with it. So which would definitely be the A movie.

Laramy: Yeah, I thought about that one. Yeah, think I think my yeah, but I think the problem with pairing it with Monster Squad is it would make would make this movie look much worse. Because Monster Squad is just a better version of this movie. Yeah.

Tim Williams: much worse. ⁓ for sure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, let's talk about Box Office and then we're we're wrapping it up pretty soon. ⁓ It has a box office. And look, I have never searched harder for box office returns than I had for this movie. It was released in the United States on Friday, October 30th. It was a Halloween movie in 1981.

Laramy: It has a box office. There you go.

Tim Williams: Halloween 2 actually won the box office that weekend, but I couldn't find any other data on the rest of the movies for that weekend. Like literally when you go on box office mojo, it just has Halloween 2 is number one. And then as give you any other any other new releases or anything. So I'm assuming it did not do very well. I didn't couldn't even find like how much it how much the budget was, how much it made, you know, over the budget. just it was there. People saw it. And then it went on video and more people saw it. Enough people saw it. me. Enough people saw it. They made a sequel that even less people saw because I didn't know it existed until you told me last week. now time to take a look at how well this 80s flick holds today. It's the rewatch ability and nostalgia meter. It's our way of measuring how enjoyable a movie is for repeat viewings, along with the waves and nostalgia it brings.

Laramy: Yeah. Yep. Nope.

Tim Williams: Here's how it works. If you're new to the show, it's a one to 10 scale. Any number between one and 10 will do, but here are a few parameters to help you decide. At the bottom of the meter, at number one, says, saw it once and that was enough. Right in the middle is a five, which means it's a good rewatch every couple of years. And the highly coveted top of the meter 10 is highly rewatchable and full of nostalgia. So Laramy, where Saturday the 14th land for you on the rewatchability and nostalgia meter?

Laramy: So even though it does hold some nostalgia for me, because I I remember it so well watching it as a kid.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm.

Laramy: I think I've got to put it like a four. It is not a movie. I like, ⁓ hey, let's watch this. For me, it's just one of those movies that if somebody brings it up, I'm going, have you ever seen it? And the reason why I own it is like, do you want to see it? ⁓ Like, that's more of what it is for me. ⁓ It because again, it is it's one of those train wrecks that you just enjoy. Like it's fun to watch. ⁓

Tim Williams: Right, right. Right. Right, right. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely it only falls in the fun, fun to watch bad movie category for sure.

Laramy: Yeah. I just pair it with Fright Night. That's almost that's a very similar movie where it's kind of making fun a little bit of the the monster movies and has that Van Helsing like character. Yeah, ⁓ pair it with Fright Night. There's another pairing. But no, I think I think I'm to have to go for.

Tim Williams: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that would work too. That's a good pairing. Yeah, you called it for exactly where I was going. It's it's just under the good rewatch every couple of years. Once again, I like I said, I don't have as much nostalgia as like I think I saw it, but it's not one that I definitely remembered. But because it is like as terrible as it is, I would want to rewatch it again, like every couple, you know, every couple of years. Like you said, if somebody's like, have you ever heard of Saturday the 14th? No, that movie exists like, yeah, let me show it to you. And like

Laramy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Tim Williams: to sit down and watch it with someone else would be a lot of fun. So ⁓ it definitely falls in that category.

Laramy: Yeah, because it is one of those that if you know exists, it pops into your head ⁓ Saturday the 14th like. So there is a just a little bit of nostalgia there.

Tim Williams: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Mm-hmm. All right. Well, let us know where you think Saturday the 14th should rank on the rewatch ability and nostalgia meter. You can also let us know how you did on the risky quizness. If you did better than Laramie, you got all three right. Send us an email or let us know. Let us know on social media. You can also leave a comment right here in the comment section if you're watching us on YouTube. Man, this might have been one of my shortest episodes ever, but that's OK. The movie was only 75 minutes. You can't can't stretch it much further than that.

Laramy: Nah. Nah.

Tim Williams: ⁓ Well, thank you, Laramy, for joining. been on the last three episodes, but I'll ask you again, what you got going on at Moving ⁓ for month of March.

Laramy: So we were in our March Madness, ⁓ this year is our focus is on villains. So we've got bracket, a fan bracket. You can go on to our Facebook page for moving panels and vote on that bracket of best adapted villain. And we covering some villain heavy movies. So on the Marvel we chose to do and Tim joined me for ⁓ Spider-Man into the

Tim Williams: Yep, yep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, that was a fun one.

Laramy: And then on the DC side, decided to do ⁓ suicide squad. You emphasize on the suicide squad. But and I really only pick that one because it's got more villains in it than the first one does. So so so we've got that. And then a discussion, one shot episode in there just about some of our Justin Baker joined me talk about some of our favorite like villain moments.

Tim Williams: The right.

Laramy: in movies and TV shows. so we got that going. And and then over on King sized. ⁓ Yep. Friday the 13th, we release an episode. And this March, Friday the 13th, we were listening and excuse me, we were releasing an episode on misery. Yeah, one of the the Oscar winning Stephen King movies.

Tim Williams: Yeah, because Friday the 13th. ⁓ yeah, that's a good one. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Laramy: So yeah, Justin Baker also had joined me for that one. So yeah, that one will come out the same time I'm assuming this episode comes out.

Tim Williams: Very cool. Yep, exactly. Friday on Friday the 13th.

Laramy: You're not gonna wait till Saturday the 14th to release this one?

Tim Williams: No, no. Why? Why do that? All right. Well, if you enjoyed the podcast, please leave us a five star review on Apple Podcast. Be sure to follow or subscribe so you never miss an episode. We'd love for you to support the show by becoming a partner over at BuyMeACoffee.com. Jump online and visit the website, 80sFlickFlashback.com and our Tee Public Store for some awesome Flick Flashback merch and original designs. It's getting warm in spring. Get you some tank tops and t-shirts. Got some cool summer designs, check those out. But thank you, Laramy, for joining us. Thanks, everybody, for tuning in. I'm Tim Williams for the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast. God, look at all those owls.