"Glory" (1989) with Laramy Wells

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Like many Civil War movies, this
80s flick begins with the sun

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rising over a vast battlefield.
Brave Union soldiers March into

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battle, and a fierce fight
ensues, with American and

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Confederate flags flying in the
background.

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Despite its reliance on familiar
tropes, the film presents a

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story that is often overlooked
or even completely ignored in

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Civil War narratives.
It focuses on the 54th

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Massachusetts Infantry, one of
the first African American

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regiments to fight for the Union
'cause when viewed in the

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broader context of Civil War
films, it stands out as a

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triumph.
Most of these films avoid

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discussing slavery to appeal to
a wider audience, but this one

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never forgets that this was
indeed a war for emancipation.

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So prepare for battle and a good
dose of early American history

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as Laramie Wells and I discuss
glory from 1989 on this episode

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of the 80s Flick Flashback
Podcast.

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Welcome to the show everybody.
I'm your host, Tim Williams.

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So glad to have you with us.
An epic of this scale, a movie

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that balances brutal combat with
deep emotional history requires

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a Co host who knows how to
handle the heavy hitters.

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Joining us today as guest Co
host, we have a man who's never

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afraid to charge into the
trenches of 80s cinema.

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Please welcome back to the mic,
the one and only Laramie Wills.

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How you doing Laramie?
I'm good, I'm good.

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A very emotional after a movie
like this.

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Yes, my my intro after doing a
full month of comedies and then

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somewhat comical Friday the
13th, this is like a big, you

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know, a big shift of tone.
So I'm trying to keep it a

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little bit more serious.
But one of my favorite 80s

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movies, even though it's it, it
barely makes it in the 80s

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movies because it actually was
limited release in 89, didn't go

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to wide release until early
1990.

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But I'm keeping it because it's
my podcast.

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I can do what I want.
But that's right.

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But yeah, but let's, let's,
let's jump right now.

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We had a lot to talk about.
So when did you see Glory for

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the first time?
This is late 80s so I'm sure you

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didn't see it in theaters but.
No.

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How young were you when you saw
it?

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Honestly, and I'm not 100% on
this, I may have actually

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watched this in school.
Yeah, yeah, there was a school

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version that that I remember.
I didn't get to see it and I was

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so mad because they didn't show
any of my classes, but I would.

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I had a typing class in high
school and there was like a

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open, it was like 2 rooms next
to each other and there was like

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an opening on the back end.
So you could I could while I was

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typing, I could hear the movie
playing in the other classroom

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while they were watching it, but
I couldn't see it.

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And I was so mad.
I was like, why can't I be

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watching the movie right now
anyway?

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But go ahead.
Yeah.

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So there was definitely the
movie version that made it

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rounds.
Yeah, I'm not a, I'm not 100%.

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I, I don't know exactly like
what grade it would have been in

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or I mean, obviously it's
probably like a social studies,

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you know, history class of some
sort.

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But I, I really just feel like
this, you know, this was one of

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those this, you know, dead poet
society stand and deliver, you

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know, those those 80s movies you
watched in school.

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I really do think I can't
pinpoint it exactly, but I, I,

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I'm not going to say first time
was on television.

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I do think the first time was
was was watching what that guess

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that school copy.
Yeah.

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Yeah, either in either in
elementary or middle school

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maybe.
Yeah, I think it did that.

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What I was reading there was a
there was an edited version,

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like APG version that cut a lot
of the like more graphic violent

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scenes and then some of the
language as well.

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So yeah.
So this one I'd actually do

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remember going to see in the
theater.

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I think me and my parents, I
don't care if my sister went,

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probably not.
It was like on a Saturday

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afternoon and we went to like a
dollar theater.

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So they've been out for a while.
Man, I missed those.

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Yeah, I know, but the good and
the bad was I was.

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I love the movie, but I I
couldn't wait to watch it again

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because I don't know if it was a
bad speaker system or just a bad

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copy, but the music was like it
had this weird like wobble like

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like it wasn't, it wasn't a
clean audio copy and the music

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is so good and it's such a big
part of the movie.

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It just kept it.
It kept irritating me while I

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was watching it, but I wasn't
immediately drawn into the movie

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for sure.
It was it was it James Horner?

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I forgot.
Yeah, James Horner.

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Yeah, I know.
I was already a fan of Matthew

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Broderick from Ferris Booth.
I knew you.

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I knew who he was.
Carrie Ellis I knew from

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Princess Bride.
But you know, this is probably

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my first introduction to Morgan
Freeman if I hadn't seen him on

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The Electric Company, which I
probably had, and but for sure

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Denzel Washington.
Those are the first movie I

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remember seeing him in.
Yeah, yeah, probably the same, I

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would say probably at that
point, yeah.

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Because I mean, yeah, because
how how early into Denzel's

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career was like, how like, do
you know how many movies he had

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made?
This was his breakout.

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He had done a few other movies
like a soldier story was like

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the first one.
He was kind of recognized.

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He did like some bad comp, like
some pretty bad comedies before

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that.
Like what's the 1 he did carbon

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copy I think he had a.
What's the one where is where he

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like is attached to somebody
because of his heart?

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Yeah, that's the one with Bob
Hoskins.

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Well, I can't remember what that
one's called, though.

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Psychedelical condition.
Critical condition.

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That might.
No.

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Yeah, except the name of it.
Oh, God.

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It's not that.
It's.

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Something like that though,
yeah.

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It's something like that.
But yeah, Carbon copy was him

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and George Siegel, and then I
think he had done a Mighty Quinn

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by this point, or right after
this.

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That was what he did with Robert
Townsend.

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That might have been the same
year, but.

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But yeah.
But this was kind of like his

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breakout role.
Course, of course, he was

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nominated for Academy Award for
this one.

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Well deserved.
Yes, yes, very well deserved.

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He didn't win for this one.
Why did I think he won for this

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one?
Did he?

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Win was nominated for five
awards and one Yeah.

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He won Best supporting Actor,
Best Cinematography and Best

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Sound.
So he did win.

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Yeah, that's right.
Right.

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Because it's that was he won
best supporting actor in this

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one.
And then he won best actor for

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training day.
So.

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Yeah.
So how long has it been before

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you rewatched it before we
watching it for the podcast?

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Oh, I could not even remember to
be honest, because I, I again, I

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know what questions you're going
to ask me.

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So I'm trying to, I'm trying to
recall everything it it's been.

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Now, I won't say it's been all
the way since I saw it in school

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because I do.
I do own this on DVD, but it's

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been a good while.
I'd if I were to put a guess

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it's probably been 20 years if
not.

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Well, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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So yeah, I rewatched this one
back in.

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I was telling there before we
started recording.

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Originally we were going to, I
was going to do an episode on

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this movie back in 2022 and I
got bumped for something else.

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So I still had like some of my
notes.

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So I know I watched it then
because I remember watching it

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and like doing some of the notes
while I was watching it then.

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But I want to say like I had a
DVD copy, like A2 disc, DVD

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copy, and I was upset because I
let somebody borrow it and they

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lost the second disc.
So I just had like, I had like

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the disk with the movie, but I
didn't have the disk with all

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the like behind the scenes
stuff.

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I think that's the copy I have
because my case is like.

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Is really like thick.
Yeah, that was that was the one

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I remember.
I got it.

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I got it at Walmart like really
cheap at one point so so I have

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the Blu-ray of it now, which I
was a little disappointed

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because I thought I've had I've
had the Blu-ray for a while.

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It has zero special features.
It's just.

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Like an enhanced.
Yeah, it's just an enhanced

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video copy.
Like, you know, it's a Blu-ray,

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but it's enhanced for 4K.
And I'm like, I couldn't really

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tell that.
That's the thing, some of the

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I'd, I'd, you know, I've gotten
some updated stuff in 4K, but I

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kind of stay away from the older
movies because I'm like, look,

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you can't fake the the
enhancement, you can't fake the

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4K, so.
There were certain scenes that

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looked really good, but there
were some of the darker scenes

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you could still see like the
it's not true black.

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You know that true like on
there.

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So, but anyway, all right, well,
let's jump into our next

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section, our new segment called
Risky Quizness.

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I'm gonna stick with that name
until until I find a better one.

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We've got five true or false
questions.

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Unfortunately, Larry doesn't
have anybody to He doesn't have

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a team to play with.
False number one.

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Much of the film's dialogue and
narrative structure was pulled

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directly from the personal
letters of Robert Goldshaw

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provided by his family.
Do believe that is true?

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That is correct.
That is true.

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Yes, a lot of the narration was
entirely composed of excerpts

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from his real, actual letters
home to his family and his wife,

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which they don't mention in the
movie, but he was married as

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well.
All right, Number two, true or

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false?
Matthew Broderick was cast as

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Colonel Shaw primarily because
of his physical resemblance to

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the real life soldier.
I'm going to have to say false

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on that one.
Sorry, that one is true.

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Even though he was a massive
star after Ferris Mother's Day

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off, he was chosen specifically
because his facial structure

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slight build almost perfectly
mirrored the historical photos

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of Shaw well.
If I knew what Shaw actually

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looked like, I'd probably be
able to answer that one.

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Right, right.
All right, Number three, true or

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false?
The film only secured funding

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because Jane Fonda personally
lobbied Tristar Pictures to tell

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the story of the 54th Regiment.
Man, that just that it's about

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the right time and seems like
the type of thing she would do.

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Feel like I'm going to get this
one wrong, but I'm going to go

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true on that one.
Yeah, you got it wrong.

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It's false.
Yeah, of.

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Course I did and.
While Fonda was a prominent

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figure, the film was actually a
passion project for producer

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Freddie Fields, who is also the
cinematographer who spent years

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trying to get a studio to
believe a quote UN quote black

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Civil war story could be a box
office success.

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All right, come get yourself out
of the hole here, Number four.

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True or false?
The original draft of the script

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was told entirely from the
perspective of the black

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soldiers, but the studio
insisted on centering the story

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around the white commanding
officer.

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Oh, I feel like I've heard that,
but I feel like it was the other

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way around, so I'm going to say
false.

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It's.
True.

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Yeah, I could have.
Swore I heard that the director,

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The director is the one that
decided that it was going to get

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told from the the soldiers point
of view.

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Yeah, screenwriter Kevin Jar jar
a jar originally wanted a more

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ensemble focused bottom up view
of the war.

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The Tristar executive believed
the film needed a relatable

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quote UN quote, which means
white lead to appeal to a 1980s

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mainstream audiences.
So, all right, last four, true

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or false?
The movie was originally titled

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The 54th, but was changed to
Glory after the producers heard

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a specific line of doll dialogue
during filming.

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Sure, why not True.
Of course it's not.

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The title Glory was chosen
during pre production to evoke

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the Glory Glory Hallelujah
lyrics of the Battle Hymn of the

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Republic, which served as a
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So not very good, but it's OK.
That's all right.

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All right, let's talk.
Let's so let us know how you did

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on the.
Did you do better than Laramie

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on the?
Probably more than likely just

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flip the coin.
You probably did better.

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Right, right.
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false.
So you know, you got a 5050

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shot.
So all right, I try to do well

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if this is still very summarized
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pre production and story origin,
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true story, but I did keep it as
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So the journey of glory began
not with a Hollywood pitch, but

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with the hauntingly personal
letters of Colonel Robert Gould

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Shaw.
Screenwriter Kevin Jarre Girar

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discovered these writings,
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historical research of Lincoln
Kirsten's Lay This Laurel and

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Peter Burchard's One Gallant,
Gallant Rush.

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Jar's goal was to shift the
cinematic lens of the Civil War

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away from the traditional white
perspective and on to the brave

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men of the 54th Massachusetts in
Volunteer Infantry, the first

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African American regiment raised
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Director Edward Zwick Edward
Zwick knew the film's massive

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battle sequences needed more
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They needed soldiers to achieve
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In 1989, the production
recruited thousands of Civil War

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re enactors.
These dedicated historians

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traveled to the Georgia filming
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bringing their own authentic
uniforms, period accurate

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muskets, and a deep seated
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The presence allowed Zwit to
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the assault on Fort Wagner
without relying on typical

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Hollywood artifice, grounding
the film's glory and gritty

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cinematic truth.
And last little tidbit here for

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pre production Edward Zick.
I keep saying wrong.

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Edward Zwick initially hesitated
about how the African American

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cast would react to a young
white Jewish director narrating

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a significant part of their
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However, he found the cast to be
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good-natured towards him.
Some cast members expressed

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gratitude for his courage and
tackling such a sensitive

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subject.
So I want to talk about Edward

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Zwick for just a minute because
he has become one of my favorite

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directors, very unsung director
and I didn't realize this was

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only his second movie that he
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He had done about last night
which thing was 5 or 86, but his

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only other the only thing he was
kind of known for is he was one

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of the writers and creators of
30 something which is a big show

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in the 80s.
Most most of our parents

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watched, but we had no desire to
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But he's made The Last Samurai
with Tom Cruise, which is a

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great movie.
Blood Diamond with Leonardo

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DiCaprio is another good one
that he's done.

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But Edwards Wick is just a
really great director.

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He's got some good, good movies
he's directed.

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Your thoughts on him as a
director?

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Pulling up some of his Movies
Now.

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I well, I knew a couple.
I was looking for the because I

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knew he did.
I knew he did blood Diamond and

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I knew he did, like you said.
Now I'm going to blank on him.

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There's another like War, One
that he did, man, why can't I

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not think of it now?
He did courage under fire.

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Yeah, that was it.
That was it.

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Courage under fire.
I, of course, me is a Bruce

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Willis fan.
He also directed the Siege.

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Yes, Yes, the siege is
fantastic, Yes.

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Yeah.
So yeah, I'm a big, big Bruce

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Willis fan, so I was aware that
I did not know he was the

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director of Last Samurai and
that, yeah, that's one of my

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favourites.
Yes, very good.

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I'm.
A big fan of Last Samurai.

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Yeah, he also directed Legends
of the Fall.

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Which was a huge you know, I've
actually never seen that one.

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You know what, I think I saw it
when it first came out, but like

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I didn't really, it didn't grab
me.

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Like it was all the girls that I
knew like just wanted to swoon

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over Brad Pitt.
So it just, I was like, it just

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I had a left a bad taste in my
mouth.

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So I I need to go back and
watch.

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It's on my watch list now to go
back.

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And watch, he clearly had a
relationship with Denzel because

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courage under fire and the
siege.

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And of course, glory be where, I
guess, where it all started.

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Yeah.
Yeah, Denzel's good for, like,

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working with some of the, you
know, working with directors

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more than once.
Of course, Spike Lee, Tony

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Scott, He's done several with
Tony Scott.

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And now who did the Equalizer
movies?

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Antoine and.
Fuqua.

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Fuqua.
Yeah, as I say, Antoine Fischer.

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No, that's the movie that he
directed.

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Yep.
All right, well, let's let's

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jump into casting.
But casting the film required a

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delicate balance of star power
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Matthew Broderick, fresh off of
success and Ferris Bueller's Day

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Off, was chosen for the lead
specifically because, as we

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mentioned before, he was a dead
ringer for the real Robert

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Goldshaw.
To represent the diverse

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experiences of Black soldiers of
production created a composite

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characters.
Morgan Freeman's John Rawlins

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embody the seasoned wisdom of a
father figure, while Denzel

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Washington's Silas Trip
represented the raw, righteous

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fury of a formerly enslaved man.
We'll get into a little bit

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about Real, Real versus fake
characters in the movie once we

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get through the casting.
But of course we started Matthew

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Broderick.
Of course, we covered him

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previously on our episodes about
war games and Ferris Bueller's

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Day Off.
So I won't go into his

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filmography, but I did.
I was I was reading a couple of

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different articles and this one
really stood out to me that they

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a few things talked about he
Broderick really wanted to do

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this movie to kind of break away
from the teen movies he had been

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kind of known for up and at that
point, even though he had won a

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Tony at age 21, this was his
sixth motion picture.

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And only War Games was the box
office.

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That one in first, I think was
the only real box office hits

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he'd had up until that point.
So he also had a great deal to

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contend with in his personal
life, grief and guilt as a

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result of driving his car to the
wrong lane, crashing into an

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oncoming vehicle, killing two
and seriously injuring himself

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and his passenger, then
girlfriend, Jennifer Grey.

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His mother had been seriously
ill also.

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She was carrying a lot of that
into this movie and kind of

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carried a lot of pressure with
the movie as well.

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Like he really wanted to be
successful and wanted to do

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well.
And they're even, I think even

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Edward Zwick has got a book
about the making of the movie

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that was referenced a lot.
And he talked about how people

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come like some like in the
dailies, they felt like he was

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miscast because he looked so
uncomfortable.

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But he said when you think about
the character he was playing, he

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was he was supposed to be
uncomfortable.

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So he kind of he's like he
really, he played it perfectly

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even though people were weren't
accustomed to seeing him and

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that type of role not being he's
he always kind of played the

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confident, cocky young kid.
And this one, he's not playing

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that role at all.
So.

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So yeah, lots of respect for
Matthew Broderick as a.

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Taking on this more serious
role, Yeah, it was.

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Very it, it was, it worked.
I mean, I didn't know he went

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through all of that, but I mean,
if he was bringing that to this

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role, it it definitely worked
for him.

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The the grin he gives Morgan
Freeman after he gives them

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after he gets them their
uniforms and boots and all that.

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And he comes out and then he
Morgan Freeman turns around and

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does that little smile.
Yeah, like it just it as soon

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even though you're used to
seeing Matthew Broderick smile

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when he does it, it's just like
that.

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Didn't feel.
Right, a little out of character

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there.
Yeah.

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So yeah, he did a great job,
yeah.

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I agree.
All right.

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Then, of course, we got Denzel
Washington as private Silas

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Trip.
Denzel enrolled in Fordham

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University intend on a career in
journalism.

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However, he caught the acting
bug while appearing in student

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drama productions and upon
graduation he moved to San

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Francisco and enrolled in the
American Conservatory Theatre.

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His first big screen appearance
was in Carbon Copy I mentioned

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earlier in 1981 with George
Siegel.

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Through the 80s he worked with
both movies and TV and was

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chosen for the prom role of
Doctor Philip Chandler.

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NBCS hit medical series St.
Elsewhere in 1989.

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Forgot he was on Saint
elsewhere.

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He played that role for six
years.

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His award-winning role in this
ignited his decades long career

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as one of the most beloved and
celebrated actors of our time.

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Which I agree.
Oh, Zwick was had been.

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It was also oh sorry.
Zwick had been impressed with

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Denzel Washington and a soldier
story in 84 and Cry Freedom in

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87, which was another movie he
did but couldn't afford him

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until producer Freddie Fields
chipped in some of his feet.

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But Denzel also also didn't want
the role at 1st until he

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realized I gave him a shot at
portraying a fully fleshed out

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character.
So I could see that he pretty

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much a play kind of 1
dimensional characters up into

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that point.
So about his character Silas

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Tripp, that name is not in the
history of books.

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He's a composite character.
He represents the thousands of

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escaped slaves who viewed the
Union uniform as their few,

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their first true taste of
citizenship.

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The scene where he's whipped for
deserting when he was really

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just looking for shoes.
That's Hollywood's way of

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showing the systematic friction,
even within the Northern Army.

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Even though it is, I do know
that scene is a historical

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inaccuracy.
Yes, Yep, Yep.

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Because they weren't that wasn't
no, they didn't do that for

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someone for, well, they.
They did, but flogging had been

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made illegal.
Yeah, like 2 years prior to.

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That.
Yeah, so it was like 1861, it

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had become illegal to do the
flogging.

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So he would not have been
flogged.

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He may have been like, you know,
like placed in between two

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carriages and stretched, you
know, like that that I, I read

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was still still a form of
punishment.

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They did in 1863.
But but man, that that scene

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alone earned him his Academy
Award.

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For sure, for sure.
And he doesn't say a word.

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Nope.
Like man, it's so good.

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He is so good.
And yes, that's why, I mean,

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it's one of the joys of going
back and re watching this is

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seeing Denzel like an actor that
I've loved since then and seen

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in so many, so many movies, so
many different types of movies.

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And to see him just like that,
you know, coming into his own as

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an actor, you know, in that in
that role and just kind of

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seeing it early in his career,
it's really good.

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And his character is such a
like, he really plays it too.

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Like he just he plays that role
to a tee.

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So.
Oh yeah.

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Absolutely.
Yeah.

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All right, moving right along,
we've got Carrie Elvis as Major

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Cabot Forbes.
We've talked about him and The

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Princess Bride.
He actually took a salary cut

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for this role and according to
Edward Zwick, Matthew Broderick

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and Carrie Ellis did not get
along during filming.

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I.
Heard that, yeah.

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So I wonder why, like like what
did what was it that they they

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didn't get along with each other
about?

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Or if it was just maybe, maybe
Broderick dealing with, like

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what you said he's dealing with.
He just didn't want to to do

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anything beyond just filming.
Yeah, yeah.

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I think I've, from what I've
kind of seen of Carrie, I was

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he's kind of like a cut up, you
know, off camera.

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He tends to be kind of more the
fun, you know, wanting to have a

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lot of fun off.
Camera and in the movie Saw he's

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a cut up on camera.
Well played, well played.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

453
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,080
I'm here all night.
Yeah.

454
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,120
So, yeah, I could see if like
Broderick was one to kind of

455
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:11,720
stay in that more serious, you
know, stay in more serious mood

456
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,680
even during filming and Elvis
was a little more lighthearted,

457
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,280
maybe that kind of rubbed in the
wrong way.

458
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,320
But anyway, I think I think
Kerry Elvis is kind of Kerry

459
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,840
Elvis is kind of like a he's
kind of forgotten in the in the

460
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,200
movie.
I mean, he's, it's a pretty

461
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,240
small role, but it's very, it's
an important role.

462
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,000
Like he has some really good
scenes.

463
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,960
So I, when I rewatched it, you
know, a couple of years ago, I

464
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,320
think I forgot he was even in
it.

465
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,240
When he popped up I was like oh
man, I forgot that he was in

466
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,160
this.
I did too, you know, Yeah, when

467
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,160
the same thing, when I was
rewatching it last night, I was,

468
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,880
I was like, oh, that that
happened with a few people,

469
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,720
though, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

470
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,560
I'm pretty sure I only
remembered that it was whoever

471
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,240
the three people are on the
cover.

472
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,680
Yeah, it's Denzel Broderick and
Morgan Freeman.

473
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,480
Morgan Freeman, Yeah, I think
those are the only three people

474
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,000
that I remembered her in the
movie.

475
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,520
All right, well, let's talk
about it.

476
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,120
Morgan Freeman is Sergeant Major
John Rollins.

477
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,080
Freeman first appeared on TV
screens as several characters,

478
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,160
including easy reader Mel Mounds
and Count Dracula on the

479
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,560
Children's Television Workshop,
now Sesame Workshop show The

480
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,960
Electric Company.
For most of the 80s, he

481
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,680
continued to contribute decent
enough performance and films

482
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,160
that fluctuated in their
quality.

483
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
However, he really stood out,
swearing an Oscar nomination as

484
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,400
a merciless hoodlum and street
smart in 87 with Christopher

485
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,720
Reeve.
And then he dazzled audiences

486
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,000
and pulled a second Oscar
nomination in the film version

487
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,760
of Driving Miss Daisy in 1989
opposite Jessica Tandy.

488
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,240
His filmography is too long to
exhaust today, but some standout

489
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,640
performances include Lean on Me,
Also in 89, What a Year 89 was

490
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,880
for him, The Shawshank
Redemption 94.7 and 95 and

491
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,800
$1,000,000 Baby in 2004.
Wow.

492
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,840
And he and he's God.
Come on.

493
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,200
Yeah, yeah.
Bruce on Lenny.

494
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,640
So yeah, while Rawlins himself
is fictional, he's based on real

495
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,880
life heroes like William Harvey
Carney.

496
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,960
Carney was the first black
soldier to receive the Medal of

497
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,360
Honor because during the real
assault on Fort Wagner, he

498
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,360
grabbed the American flag after
the colored Sergeant was shot

499
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,520
and never let it touch the
ground even after being shot

500
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,560
several times himself.
So.

501
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,440
But yeah, Morgan Freeman, once
again, another seeing him early

502
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,720
in his career, just playing that
character.

503
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:37,560
He does so well of just being
that kind of wise older person,

504
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,760
father figure.
Yeah, he just plays that real so

505
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,480
well.
Because we could talk about your

506
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,680
favorite movies all time,
Shawshank Redemption, because

507
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,360
that's, you know, most famous of
that type of role.

508
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,200
And I I again, it's been so long
since I've seen this movie, but

509
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,120
I know Shawshank so well when he
snaps at trip.

510
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Yes.
And goes off on trip he says the

511
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,440
line yes well that might not be
living, but it sure dying.

512
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,200
I.
Know he says a curse word in

513
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,200
there, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'm just like, seriously,

514
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,800
like, you're right, yeah.
And then five years later,

515
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,480
you're going to say a very
similar line and the greatest

516
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,800
movie ever made.
Right.

517
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
And even now in his little
commercial, he's like, get busy

518
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,040
living, you know, get busy.
Living.

519
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,360
I get busy, yeah.
Yeah, I had when he said that

520
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,960
line, I had the same thought.
I was like, wow, that's like

521
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,840
really close to his other, like,
famous line.

522
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,320
So.
Oh, man.

523
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,600
All right.
Well, let's.

524
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,680
I mean, we could talk about
Morgan Freeman all day.

525
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,520
Moving down the list.
Oh, man, this one hurts because

526
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,600
we he just passed away not too
long ago.

527
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,880
Andre Brauer as Colonel Thomas
Searles.

528
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,680
Searles.
Searles.

529
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,800
I don't know.
Sure, yeah.

530
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,080
Chicago native switched majors
from pre Med to drama in

531
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,720
college, graduating from
Juilliard in 1988.

532
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,160
He was acknowledged as the most
outstanding theater student at

533
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,200
graduation.
After a recurring role in Kojak

534
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,080
TV movies, he got his big break
in glory as his film debut, even

535
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,680
though he had appeared in other
films such as City of Angels in

536
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,520
1998 when Nicolas Cage and Meg
Ryan, and Frequency with in 2000

537
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,040
with Dennis Quaid and Jim
Caviezel.

538
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,760
He is most recognized of his
roles in the TV shows Law and

539
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Order SVU as well as Brooklyn
99.

540
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,600
But yeah, I remember when I
heard about his passing, I was.

541
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,160
That's one that really shocked
me.

542
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,760
Oh, yeah.
Because I think it was, I mean,

543
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,240
Brooklyn 9/9 had maybe been off
the air for like a year.

544
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,720
Yeah.
Like, I mean, yeah, so.

545
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,480
And to see him in this role,
like so young and just he's so

546
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,840
good in this movie.
Like you could just, the star

547
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,960
quality was just oozing out of
him in this movie.

548
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,160
And so it went.
It made a little more emotional

549
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,440
to watch today when I was
watching it again because it's

550
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,840
like I just, I loved him so much
as an actor and anything that he

551
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,360
was in, I loved him in it so.
Yeah, no, I totally agree.

552
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,800
I mean, he was the voice of dark
side.

553
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,120
With my.
Superman stuff, yeah, he was the

554
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:22,200
voice of Dark Side and a lot of
the DC animated stuff, so and of

555
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,640
course, as a Stephen King fan,
he's in the Mist.

556
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:32,680
So yeah, no, I big and he's he's
so good because Brooklyn 9/9 was

557
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,720
such a departure from what you
were used to seeing him in.

558
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Oh yeah, for sure.
And he was so good in it.

559
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Yeah.
No, it's gone too soon.

560
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Of course.
We mentioned earlier, you know,

561
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,400
James Horner.
Yeah, Yeah, that's another was

562
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,040
taken from us too soon.
Right, right.

563
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,320
So.
Yeah.

564
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,720
And I forgot he was in
frequency.

565
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Yeah.
It's been a while so I've seen

566
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,680
that one too.
That's a great movie.

567
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,200
I love that movie.
All right, so someone a little

568
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,920
less known, but another standout
for me, Jimmy Kennedy is Private

569
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Jupiter Sharks.
He's he was from Winston Salem,

570
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,640
NC, which is not too far from
where I was born and got his

571
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,280
first movie role in 1986 with
Gung Ho Ron Howard directed

572
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,840
comedy was starring Michael
Keaton, which is another

573
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,400
forgotten 80s flick that I love.
He does not have many acting

574
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,400
credits.
He had memorable roles in the TV

575
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,720
shows Tour of Duty in the 1980s,
as well as Soul Food in the

576
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,160
early 2000s.
But yeah, this is like this one

577
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,320
in Gung Ho is what I pretty much
know him from this.

578
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,560
He has a much bigger role in
this than he does in Gung Ho.

579
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,000
But I'm really surprised,
especially after this movie,

580
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,120
that he didn't do more.
So I thought he that scene where

581
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,040
he's reloading and Broderick is
like fire.

582
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

583
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,720
You live in finding the gun.
Like, that scene is so good.

584
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,000
So good.
Yeah, sorry.

585
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,440
We move into the that guy
category, which there were ones

586
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,360
like, I don't know who that is.
So we'll kind of cover these.

587
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,560
And most of these are really
more like cameos because they

588
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560
just kind of they pop in for a
scene or two and they're gone.

589
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,320
But we'll start with Cliff
Deyoung as Colonel James

590
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,720
Montgomery.
He has made more than 80 films

591
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,800
and television series, including
Protocol in 84, Secret Admirer

592
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:28,560
in 85, FX in 86 and Flight of
the Navigator in 1986 as well.

593
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,640
So yeah, his character was one
that I love to hate.

594
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,760
In this movie, he was the the
Colonel that had his troop go in

595
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,440
and start pillaging the the
town.

596
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,320
So any thoughts on Clifty Young?
I mean, other than the fact that

597
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,320
random trivia I know about him
he replaced.

598
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,480
I forgot the actor's name, but
he became Brad Majors in that

599
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120
forgotten Rocky Horror Picture
Show sequel.

600
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Yes, I did.
That was part of the notes I saw

601
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,680
on him.
Yeah.

602
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,240
I forgot the name of the sequel.
It was a weird.

603
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,240
It was a weird treatment.
Oh, shock treatment.

604
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Yeah, yeah, Yep.
So and he, he played, does a

605
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000
duet duet with himself.
Is that what it is like AI?

606
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Believe so.
It's.

607
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,360
Twin or 20?
Yeah.

608
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,040
I have actually never seen shock
treatment.

609
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,040
I just know about it because I I
do know a lot about Rocky

610
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Horror, right, right.
And from, you know, playing

611
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Eddie for several years in a a
shadow cast production of it.

612
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,240
But yeah, no, no, he's he's
horrible.

613
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,840
I I did hear that the the real
life guy wasn't that bad.

614
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,800
No, I heard he was he was a jerk
as well.

615
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Well, but maybe conflicting
accounts, maybe.

616
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Yeah.
Maybe I I thought I heard that

617
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:55,480
he the the 54th burning, it
wasn't due to him blackmailing

618
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,120
them.
It was just because that was

619
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,960
what they did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

620
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,400
But Shaw wasn't a fan of it, so
he only had a small company of

621
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,520
his men participate.
OK, gotcha.

622
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,960
But that it wasn't actually
because he was blackmailing them

623
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,280
like they they do in the the
movie.

624
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,440
But no, you got to have that
that conflict and and also it

625
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,520
worked.
But you know, you can't.

626
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,800
I know this might be who you're
doing next or what not, but you

627
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,600
know, pairing him up with Bob
Gutten just really, really hones

628
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,120
in that bad white guy.
Yeah.

629
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,639
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yep.

630
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,600
And he's next to all this.
Says you're there, General

631
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,000
Charles Garrison Harker played
Bob the wonderful the wonderful

632
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,840
Bob Gunton.
He's a.

633
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,199
Great actor.
Yeah, he's known for playing

634
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:55,000
strict authoritarian characters,
including Warden Samuel Norton

635
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,480
in The Shawshank Redemption
1994, as well as Chief George

636
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,240
Earl in 1993's Demolition Man.
Doctor Walcott?

637
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,680
Well, I'm sorry.
Doctor Walcott, The domineering

638
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Dean of Virginia Medical School,
and Patch Adams and Secretary of

639
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,880
State Cyrus Vance and Argo.
He also played Leland Owsley in

640
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,320
the Daredevil television series.
The owl.

641
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,840
Yeah, Secretary of Defense Ethan
Kanan in 24 and Noah Taylor in

642
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,840
Desperate Housewives, but yeah,
he'll always be the warden in

643
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Shawshank Redemption to me.
100%.

644
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,280
All right, just a few more here
that we'll talk about that guys.

645
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,560
Jo Sanders as General George
Crockett Strong.

646
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,920
He made his feature film debut
in the comedy Starting Over.

647
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,800
He had notable roles in films
such as Cross Creek in 83,

648
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,560
Tucker, The Man in His Dream,
1988, JFK in 91, Hostages in 92,

649
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,560
Angels in the Outfield 94, Music
of the Heart, 99, Tumbleweeds 99

650
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,760
and Revolutionary Rd.
In 2008.

651
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,160
He took recurring roles in TV
series including Law and Order,

652
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,280
Criminal Intent, The Good Wife,
Person of Interest, Blind Spot

653
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
and Sneaky Pete.
Yeah, that was definitely sounds

654
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,680
like I've seen that guy.
Yeah, he's he's 100% the one of

655
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:13,400
those that guys.
And then the for sure, that guy

656
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,960
for me, Richard Rail as
quartermaster.

657
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,400
He's portrayed the role of role
of Santa Claus and eight

658
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,440
different projects, including
five films, TV shows and a TV

659
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,760
movie.
On TV, he portrayed Walt Fennery

660
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,560
and Grounded for life in 2001,
2005.

661
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,640
He's also had multiple
appearances across the Star Trek

662
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,960
franchise, including the role of
Batai in the acclaimed Next

663
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,560
generation episode The Inner
Light.

664
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,280
He also had guest roles and
shows like NCIS, the Middle and

665
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,320
The West Wing.
In film, he's played, oh, he

666
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,600
played Tom Smykau.
I'm sorry he played Tom

667
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,280
Smakowski, the self-described
people person who serves as an

668
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,480
intermediary between the
engineers and customers of the

669
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,400
software company in a tech and
office space.

670
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,520
Another great comedy.
Other roles include the ranch

671
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,200
hand, Carlson Of mice and men
1982, the guard who allowed

672
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Harrison Ford to initially
escape custody in the in the

673
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,680
Fugitive 93.
I'm going to skip some of these

674
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,880
other ones.
He was in jury duty, Executive

675
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,080
decision, Mercury Rising, Deuce
Bigalow, Male Gigolo and Wedding

676
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Crashers.
But there's one scene where him

677
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,400
and Broderick are having a
confrontation, like face to

678
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,360
face, and it dawned on me that
you've got the original Ferris

679
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:35,080
Bueller squaring off with the
actor that played the principal

680
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,760
in the TV version of.
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, so.

681
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,680
He played, he played Rooney in
the TV version of Ferris

682
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,360
Bueller's.
So I was like, I was like, ah,

683
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,160
that's kind of an interesting
coincidence there.

684
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,120
So because I think that because
I think the show came out like

685
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,720
maybe after this came out, I
think the show came out in the

686
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,360
90s.
It's like early 90s.

687
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,480
Yeah.
It was like, I never saw the

688
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,600
show.
Like, yeah, I know it exists,

689
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,680
but I never saw it.
I watched.

690
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,360
The first episode and hated it
from the first episode.

691
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,800
I never watched another episode
so.

692
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,640
But if you go back, you'll see a
very early Jennifer Aniston

693
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,120
playing the sister, the Jennifer
Grey role.

694
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,120
So.
Just going back to to Richard, I

695
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,240
do remember him.
I always remember from Office

696
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,600
Space for some reason.
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,840
He's the guy that tries to kill
himself in the in the garage,

698
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,520
isn't he?
That puts the tube through.

699
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,720
Yeah, yes, yeah, that's him.
That's what I always, I always

700
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,680
connect.
To when I've since I've seen

701
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Office Space, but yeah, I've
seen that one enough times to

702
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,560
remember.
But yeah.

703
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,880
Yeah, but then there's, you
know, I'm sure there's several

704
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,040
other things where I'm going
like, Oh yeah, that was him and

705
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,560
that and Oh yeah, that was him.
Like I'm pretty sure he was in

706
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,440
an episode of Psych like.
Oh, for sure, yeah.

707
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,600
Yeah.
So yeah, no, definitely those

708
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,920
last two were probably the
bigger like that guy guys in the

709
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,040
the movie.
And once again, not, you know,

710
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,440
pretty much like cameos.
They have like 1, one, maybe 2

711
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,800
scenes total.
I mean the J Sanders as strong

712
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,960
has like 3 lines and then you
never see him again.

713
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.

714
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,800
At least.
At least Richard Rile has a

715
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,920
whole moment, you know?
Yeah.

716
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,240
Exactly.
And same thing with Bob Gutton.

717
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,960
And yeah, same thing with Bob
Gutton and Cliff De Long.

718
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,640
They at least are Cliff Deyoung.
They still had like moments.

719
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,880
Yeah, but yeah, but no strong.
Yeah.

720
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,440
We need somebody to stop these
union guys.

721
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,800
We'll do it.
OK.

722
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Yeah, great.
Right now.

723
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Let.
That's it.

724
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,000
That's all.
That's all you get.

725
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,720
Yeah, I'm going to craft
services.

726
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Thanks for the hang out today.
All right, well, let's talk

727
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,200
about iconic scenes.
I think we've probably already,

728
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,080
I think we've already talked
about one of them for sure.

729
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,840
But I think the most iconic
scene is definitely the flogging

730
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,920
single tier.
For sure, yeah, I think, I think

731
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,480
the flogging and then just the
the battle at the end.

732
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,080
The the the Fort Fort.
I forgot the name of the Fort

733
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,080
Walden.
Is it Wagner or?

734
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,880
Wagner, Wagner, Wagner.
You're right.

735
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,200
Yeah.
The I mean, just them coming

736
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:31,520
down the beach and all of that.
I mean that that's probably one

737
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:37,520
of the best like Civil War
battle scenes I've ever seen in

738
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,160
the movie.
And that one that's that's one

739
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,680
that's always stuck with me.
So I mean, obviously that is

740
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:49,400
kind of the whole big climax of
the the movie, but but that is

741
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,040
that is one of the iconic ones
for me.

742
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,360
Yeah, I think I read too that
like Zwick had already like

743
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,720
filmed some of the like he'd
been to some of the reenactments

744
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,720
with the people that he used.
And he had like done some

745
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,960
filming that he uses kind of
like a sizzle reel to bring to

746
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
the studio to show that he could
do like the he could do the

747
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,280
battle scenes justice.
So so I was very impressed with

748
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,080
the the battle scenes,
especially at the end.

749
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,880
So the only other scene that I
think is for me, as I kind of

750
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
somebody says, you know, glory,
what's the first thing that pops

751
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,280
in your head?
Of course, the, the single tier

752
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,520
is the number one.
A close second for me is the

753
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,280
night before the battle when
they're around the campfire and

754
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,200
they're having like their prayer
kind of song service or

755
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,800
whatever.
And so I just remember, and I

756
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,440
remember seeing that for the
first time, I just really being

757
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,680
like captivated by that whole
moment because there's a lot in

758
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,560
there.
Like they, they're, you know,

759
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,640
they're having kind of a worship
service, which is very, you

760
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,480
know, was very common to the
African American culture,

761
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,800
especially at that time.
No matter what you will, you

762
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,840
know what you believed you were
going to, you were going to have

763
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,120
that moment with everybody.
Like even with Denzel's, like

764
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,480
I'm not really a praying man,
just, you know, just say what's

765
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,840
on your mind, just just say your
thoughts or whatever.

766
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,560
But it, it really kind of drew
that, really that scene drew me

767
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,760
in a lot watching it and it's
one of my favorites ever since

768
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,560
then like that.
That's a scene I just can't turn

769
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,800
away from.
Like I have to like if I'm like

770
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,640
got it on in the background, I'm
going to stop and sit down and

771
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,080
watch that scene all the way
through.

772
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,040
So any other like favorite
scenes or scenes you consider

773
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:33,880
iconic?
It's hard.

774
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,400
This is This was a hard.
It's hard to say favorite.

775
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Yeah.
Yeah, it's hard to say favorite.

776
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,120
Or any of that stand out
impactful scenes?

777
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,480
I mean, again, I, I think we've
covered probably the biggest of

778
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,960
them.
I can't really, really think of

779
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,400
have any extra.
I mean, the whole movie is

780
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,640
impactful.
Yeah.

781
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,880
So, yeah, I don't know how much
of that you would, you would

782
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,520
break down and say, well, it's
this scene.

783
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,400
It's that scene.
I mean, I even, I even loved the

784
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:09,240
moment where Morgan Freeman, you
know, kneels down to the the

785
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,880
little kids.
Yeah.

786
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,640
It's like, you know, you know,
we were we were runaway slaves

787
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,360
and now we're coming back as
soldiers or the I'm paraphrasing

788
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,520
obviously, but but yeah, just
even even that moment.

789
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,960
So which again, based off of
what little research I I did, I

790
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,920
did apparently discovered that
the whole thing about them

791
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,160
because of the movie kind of
makes it feel like the majority

792
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,200
of them are runaway slaves.
But apparently the 54th regimen

793
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,360
were majority free men and had
been free men their entire life.

794
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,560
So, you know, I get, you know,
for dramatic purposes and to to

795
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,160
help tell the story.
But yeah, I just had to point

796
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,520
that out.
I mean, I found out that and I

797
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,840
found it so weird that they
wouldn't at least mention them

798
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,960
because you got this guy who
doesn't say a word playing

799
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,880
Frederick Douglass at the
beginning of the movie.

800
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Yeah.
And then to find out that two of

801
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:19,640
his sons were actually a part of
the 54th Regiment.

802
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,400
And so why there's not just a
line or something in there to

803
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,200
indicate that that Frederick
Douglass had two sons that were

804
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,200
a part of of that group, I
didn't get because.

805
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,360
Yeah, because other than, you
know, a couple of the of the

806
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,200
main characters, Matthew
Broderick was the only real life

807
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,440
character.
Everybody else was, like you

808
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,520
said, composite or just
completely made-up.

809
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,120
And then the only other real
life characters we got were

810
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,000
characters just popped in.
And out.

811
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,080
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

812
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,960
So.
Yeah, I did.

813
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,560
I did read that.
Like, you know, there was a,

814
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,640
there were a lot of articles
which I thought was good, you

815
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,000
know, and I would say if you
love the movie, go and do the

816
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,040
research.
Like go and read the history

817
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,960
about, you know, about the real,
the real soldiers and the real

818
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,800
story.
Because yeah, it's, you know,

819
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,600
there's it.
And most of them say like for

820
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,360
even for the inaccuracies, it's
still very close to the truth.

821
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,280
Like it's, it's not.
They didn't really stray too

822
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,920
much, but they said they kind of
they kind of pardon, I guess the

823
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,920
stories kind of pardon them for
not having for them to show.

824
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,880
The movie shows in all different
ages.

825
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,240
But the real regiment was all
like late teens, early 20s.

826
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,120
They were all very young men.
There were no older men in the

827
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,000
red regime.
But the movie was also trying to

828
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,600
tell the story of like all the
other African Americans that

829
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,960
were soldiers as well.
There were other regiments that

830
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,240
did have runaway slaves.
There were other regiments that

831
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,720
did have older, you know,
soldiers like Morgan Friedman's

832
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,200
character.
So they're like, we give it a

833
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120
pass because even though they're
trying to tell the story of 1

834
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,000
regiment, it's also represent
representation for all all the

835
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,040
other African American soldiers
that fought during the war as

836
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,720
well.
So which I thought was good.

837
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,760
And it was crazy too to find
out.

838
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,200
Now I'm I'm just going to admit
they're probably the reason why

839
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,080
I haven't been very vocal in
this episode and didn't get any

840
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,400
of the trivia right at the
beginning.

841
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,040
Is is Tim only asked me to do
this episode like a day ago.

842
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,280
That's.
True, yeah.

843
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,920
From when we're recording.
So I didn't have an awful lot of

844
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,680
time to prep, but I did
apparently find out that, like,

845
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,360
Morgan Freeman didn't even know
this regiment existed.

846
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,120
Yeah, until he was asked to do
this movie.

847
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:47,480
And so again, just the
importance of the a movie like

848
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,360
this.
Yeah, and I think true.

849
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,760
And also how how the even came
to be was the screenwriter Kevin

850
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,280
Jafar and Kevin Jafar, I don't
know how to say his name.

851
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,960
And the producer cinematographer
happened to pass by like at the

852
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,480
in the ending credits, you see
like little monument that is a

853
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,600
real monument that's in
Massachusetts.

854
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,960
And they just happened to walk
by and see it and read and was

855
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,400
like like, I had no idea there
was an African American regiment

856
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,160
in the Civil War, which caused
them to go and study and find

857
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,320
the two books.
They kind of pull and found the

858
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,360
letters.
So they pulled the story

859
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,280
together just from single
monument that most people would

860
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,000
have walked by and maybe not
even paid attention to what it

861
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,600
was there for.
So yeah, which is?

862
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,800
Amazing to find out the story
about Shaw.

863
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,760
So you know, we see at the end
him getting thrown into the the

864
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:53,760
mass grave and that one the the
just the the visual of not only

865
00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:00,080
him getting thrown in there, but
then Trip being thrown next and

866
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,760
them laying there next to each
other is so powerful.

867
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,800
But then to find out the true
story about how the Confederates

868
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,880
that, you know, they did that.
But apparently in the true

869
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,960
story, they actually displayed
kept his body on display for a

870
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,600
little while.
And of course they're not going

871
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,960
to do this in the movie, but
they pretty much stripped him

872
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,040
nude.
Right.

873
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,120
And then they threw him into the
the mass grave with all of the

874
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,840
the black soldiers thinking it
was an insult.

875
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,360
Only to then later when his
parents found out that that's

876
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:48,120
how his body was treated, they
actually looked at it as an

877
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:53,080
honor because they said that's
where he belongs is he belongs

878
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,480
buried with his soldiers and
with his.

879
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,120
Troops.
Yeah, and that that was such AAI

880
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,720
mean.
It's already such a powerful

881
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,560
moment at the end.
Yeah, yeah, You know, especially

882
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,760
man when he is because I again,
I've seen the movie, but even

883
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,040
watching it again, like I knew
he was going to die, but the

884
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,560
moment he is shot is such a
punch.

885
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Yeah, yeah.
Like it doesn't seem, it doesn't

886
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,840
feel like that's when it should
happen.

887
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,760
It doesn't feel like it's too
soon, like it's it's too soon.

888
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,520
Yeah, and same with Denzel's
character, like when he get when

889
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,560
he picks up the the flag and
starts running, then like he

890
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,640
gets shot like almost right
after that.

891
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,720
And then, you know, yeah.
And then Denzel falls right on

892
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:45,720
like right now seems like he's
right on top of him.

893
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:49,200
And even at that, in that scene,
that that part.

894
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,720
Yeah, yeah.
But to to have him, yeah.

895
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,680
To have him killed.
And then you see, you know, the

896
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,160
rest of them.
And I even found out that

897
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,840
apparently there is some truth
to when the smoke cleared from

898
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,880
that battle, that Confederates
found the bodies of Union

899
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,520
soldiers inside their stronghold
or whatever you call it.

900
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,720
So the So what you see there at
the end of them actually

901
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:22,640
infiltrating and going in, you
know that that's actually what

902
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,200
happened, you know, and and then
it just breaks your heart to

903
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,520
find out that it it didn't work
like.

904
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,040
Yeah, yeah.
Now I do know that his story,

905
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,840
even though they say at the end
of the movie that right they

906
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,880
that they it was never taken
historically it was.

907
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Taken it was just later.
But it was also taken because

908
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,720
the Confederates just abandoned
it.

909
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,040
Yeah.
And then the Union soldiers came

910
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,040
in and and occupied it.
But man, when yeah, when they

911
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,920
this, then the next day, right
before you see them toss his

912
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:04,400
body and you see the Confederate
flag get raised, That's that

913
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,000
breaks your heart to see that.
Yep, such a good movie.

914
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,800
All right, well, let's talk a
little about a little about

915
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,040
trivia.
I will start to wrap this one

916
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,200
up.
I'm going to skip over a lot of

917
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,000
stuff.
I'll put try to put some stuff

918
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,040
in the in the show notes.
But like I said, there's lots of

919
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,840
research on on the Internet, a
lot of good articles.

920
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,960
Go, go, go research more for
yourself.

921
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,160
So let's talk a little bit about
the accuracy.

922
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,520
In the movie, it feels like the
entire regiment is wiped out of

923
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,960
Fort Wagner.
Historically, about 270 of the

924
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,600
600 men who charged were killed,
wounded or captured.

925
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,840
The regiment actually continued
to fight for the remainder of

926
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:49,280
the war and then the pay strike.
The movie correctly depicts the

927
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,760
men refusing their pay.
The 54th famously refused to

928
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,760
accept any wages until the US
government agreed to pay them

929
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,960
the same amount as white
soldiers, which was $13 a month

930
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,000
instead of $10.
They went 18 months without a

931
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000
single paycheck to prove their
point.

932
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,280
But the true thing was that
instead of instead of Shaw being

933
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,200
the last one, he was actually
the first one to say that he

934
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,440
wouldn't take the pay unless
they were unless they were all

935
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,160
getting paid the same amount.
So which was another great part

936
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,600
of the movie.
Let's see.

937
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,880
So the cinematic struggle for
basic supplies.

938
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,280
It's dramatic scene where Shaw
demands shoes is more about

939
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,240
representing the era's general
neglect than a specific

940
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,680
historical event.
In reality, the men already had

941
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,480
their uniforms when Shaw arrived
at camp.

942
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Yeah, the I did hear about the
uniforms and the boots.

943
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,560
That wasn't an issue because
they were.

944
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:51,160
This was like a pet project of
the governor of Massachusetts.

945
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Like, oh, which by the way, he's
another kind of that guy

946
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,240
because, you know, he plays the
cop that is after Gene Wilder

947
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,600
and Richard Pryor in See No
Evil, hear No evil.

948
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,560
Yes, that's right.
Yes, Yes, I did.

949
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,720
I did.
I Yeah.

950
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,560
He didn't have a lot of credits
as much as the other guys.

951
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,160
So yeah, that's why I didn't put
him on there, but I did.

952
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,720
I did see that on there.
So yeah, I, I think we, we

953
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,000
actually, we covered a lot of
stuff.

954
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,560
I kind of mentioned already that
I had in my, in my trivia part.

955
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,520
So let's let's move on to box
office.

956
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,280
The film premiered in movie
theaters on December 14th, 1989

957
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,440
and limited release within the
US.

958
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,560
During its limited opening
weekend, the film grossed

959
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:40,600
$63,661.00 in business, showing
at three locations.

960
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,320
So not bad for three locations.
It's official wide release began

961
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,720
in theaters on February 16th,
1990.

962
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,040
Opening in a distant eighth
place, the film earned

963
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:55,240
$2,000,000 at 801 theaters.
The film Driving Miss Daisy

964
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:57,760
soundly beat its competition
during that weekend, opening in

965
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,840
first place with 9 million.
Glory went out on top

966
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,440
domestically at 26,000,000 in
total ticket sales through a 17

967
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,680
week theatrical run.
For 1989 as a whole, the film

968
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,360
would cumulatively rank at a box
office performance position of

969
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,960
45.
So not bad for not bad.

970
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,080
So Morgan.
Morgan Freeman beat Morgan

971
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,880
Freeman.
Exactly.

972
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,600
All right, now it's time to take
a look at how well this 80s

973
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,640
flick holds up today.
It's the rewatch ability

974
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,840
nostalgia meter.
It's our way of measuring how

975
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,120
enjoyable a movie is for repeat
viewings, along with the waves

976
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,360
and nostalgia brings.
Here's how it works.

977
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,640
It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and

978
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,960
10:00 will do, but here are a
few parameters to help you

979
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,440
decide.
At the bottom of the meters and

980
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,440
#1 means I saw it once and that
was enough.

981
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,000
In the middle of five is a good
rewatch every couple of years.

982
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,120
And at the top of the meter, the
highly coveted 10 is highly

983
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,280
rewatchable and full of
nostalgia.

984
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,240
So Laramie, where does Glory
rate for you on the rewatch

985
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:03,320
ability and nostalgia meter?
This is one of those that is so

986
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:09,400
difficult to to rank like that
because this is such a good

987
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,080
movie.
This is one of the, if not the

988
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,680
greatest Civil War movie.
Absolutely.

989
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,440
And, and I would even put it up
there with Saving Private Ryan

990
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,040
is probably one of the greatest
war movies ever.

991
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,480
Made I would agree that
statement, yeah.

992
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,960
I mean, the, the you know, as
you know, of course we get the

993
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,760
opening of D-Day and Saving
Private Ryan, but the opening of

994
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,040
this one when that officer in
front of him has his head blown

995
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,480
off, yes, that is such a
shocking moment.

996
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,000
And the fact that this movie it
there will probably never be

997
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,680
anything in terms of the way
these war scenes are shot.

998
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,760
There will probably never be
another movie like it.

999
00:55:53,760 --> 00:56:02,440
The the practical effects using
the the the the I forgot the re,

1000
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,880
you know what I'm trying to say
The the one reenactment.

1001
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,200
Reenactments, yes, Yeah, the.
Reenactment performers who know

1002
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,840
what they're doing, who have put
some It's not just extras and

1003
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:21,400
actors and the I mean, the way
it's lit, the I mean, even the

1004
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,920
the siege at the end on Wagner,
the chaotic nature of it.

1005
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:33,640
It it just it's so, so good as a
movie in for all the things we

1006
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,960
talked about for the war, for
the historical importance that

1007
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,200
it talks about this movie for
all the performances.

1008
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,120
But is it 1 you want to watch?
You know, again, like I said, I

1009
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:50,600
haven't seen it in 20 years and
this is probably only the third

1010
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,280
time I've ever seen it, third or
fourth time I've ever seen it.

1011
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,880
So with because of how powerful
it is, it's got to be high.

1012
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,840
But because of this is rewatch
ability, I got to keep it a

1013
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,840
little low.
So I'm kind of keeping it at a

1014
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,480
six.
OK, I'm not mad at that.

1015
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,920
And because once again, this
this meter is not about, you

1016
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,560
know, how great a movie is made.
It's pure nostalgia, pure

1017
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,760
rewatch ability.
So I get it.

1018
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,360
I'm I'm the same with you.
Like this is I have to go back

1019
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,280
to my flip charts, but it's this
has got to be in my top 10 if

1020
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,200
you know, top 15, if not my top
ten of my of the 80s movies

1021
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,200
because of the impact and
because it's such a great movie.

1022
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,560
But once again, it's not one
that I've rewatch on a regular

1023
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,080
basis.
I do have nostalgia 4, but not

1024
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,400
at the level of other movies
that I have nostalgia 4.

1025
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,080
So yeah.
So I think 6 is a good number.

1026
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,840
I'm probably going to, I want to
go a little bit high like 6.5.

1027
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,880
I don't can't quite maybe a
76.86.8.85.

1028
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,160
So, but once again, it but I
like it's one that I've had to

1029
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,520
have in my collection.
Like I think I probably had it

1030
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,360
on Vhsi know I had it on DVD.
I now have it on Blu-ray like

1031
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,560
that.
That's one of those movies like

1032
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,520
I have to have in my collection
because of its importance.

1033
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,920
If if this was your podcast and
it was a baguette, stack it or

1034
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,880
trade it.
Where would you?

1035
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,800
Where would you put it?
Oh no, in that case it's it's a

1036
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,360
bag it.
It's a bag, exactly.

1037
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,760
So that, yeah.
Absolutely.

1038
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,880
Different, different type of
rating, but yeah, yeah, even

1039
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,040
though it's low on ours, it's
still has, it's still high

1040
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,520
absolutely in in the, in the
reasons that matter.

1041
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,080
So, so yeah.
So this one's a little weird for

1042
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,400
the rewatch building nostalgia
meter, but I think 6 and almost

1043
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,400
7 are are pretty accurate based
on the criteria of the rewatch

1044
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,600
building nostalgia meter.
So well let, yeah, well, let us

1045
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,880
know where you think Gloria
should rank on your rewatch

1046
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,120
ability and nostalgia meter.
You can send us an e-mail or let

1047
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,520
us know on social media.
You can also leave a comment

1048
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,520
right here in the YouTube
comments section if you're

1049
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,680
watching us on YouTube.
So well, that's going to wrap up

1050
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,880
today's episode.
I want to thank Laramie for

1051
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,720
joining, especially as kind of a
last minute replacement.

1052
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,840
I had to make some changes.
My original Co host wasn't able

1053
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,640
to make it and didn't want to
lose any momentum.

1054
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,600
So appreciate him stepping in.
So I know we just talked two

1055
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,240
weeks ago, but what's anything
new happening at moving panels

1056
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,240
for the end of February jump
going into March?

1057
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,200
I know March Madness.
You got a, we got a March

1058
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,560
Madness.
Coming in where we're focusing

1059
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,880
on the best villain adaptation
so who has portrayed the

1060
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,760
greatest comic book villain in
in movies and TV's that that's

1061
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,200
going to be our focus for March
Madness in our bracket.

1062
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,840
And then we're going to we're
going to look at a couple of

1063
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,800
movies that are very heavy in
the villain area.

1064
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,920
And so we're going to look at
Spider Man into the Spider

1065
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,000
verse, which will be joining me
for and then we're also going to

1066
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,680
look at the Suicide Squad.
So.

1067
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,200
Again, focus on a Marvel and ADC
property that that's heavy on

1068
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,440
the villains.
So that's what we got.

1069
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,480
We got coming in the month of
March.

1070
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,120
Follow moving panels on Facebook
so you can vote for your

1071
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:32,840
favorite villain adaptation for
our for our bracket the word

1072
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,320
escape me.
All right.

1073
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Well, if you enjoy this episode,
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1074
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,280
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1075
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,440
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1076
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,920
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1077
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,600
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1078
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,240
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1079
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,000
Thanks again for tuning in.
I'm Tim Williams for the 80s

1080
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,280
flick flashback podcast.
Tomorrow we go into battle.

1081
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,080
So, Lordy, let me fight with the
rifle in one hand and the good

1082
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,760
book in the other, so that if I
may die the muzzle or the rifle

1083
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,360
die on water, on land, I may
know that You, blessed Jesus

1084
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,160
Almighty, are with me and I have
No Fear.