BONUS - "Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood" (1988) with Charlie Cotter & Laramy Wells

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The Friday the 13th films are
always pure and simple exercises

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in commerce, made for dirt cheap
and delivering reliably huge

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returns on investment.
It didn't much matter if a

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particular installment was
dreadful or the best one they'd

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ever done because they always
turn to profit.

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However, those profit margins
were starting to get thinner as

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the box office grosses continued
their decline from sequel to

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sequel.
So by 1987, Paramount wasn't

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ready to walk away from Jason
Voorhees, but they were looking

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for a way to make one last big
splash.

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Unfortunately, their dreams were
dashed and we got this instead.

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So meet us once again at Crystal
Lake as Charlie Cotter, Laramie

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Wells and I discuss Friday the
13th Part 7, The new blood from

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1988 on this episode of the 80s
Flick Flashback Podcast.

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My 2 Co hosts today are no

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strangers to the Friday the 13th
franchise.

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First up, he may be the
youngster of the group, but he

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knows a good 80 slasher when he
sees one.

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It's Charlie Carter.
How you doing, Charlie?

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I'm all right.
I'm doing well.

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I'm definitely the youngster of
the group, but I've I've

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definitely, like you said, I've
seen my fair share.

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Yes, yes.
And of course, we couldn't talk

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about Jason Voorhees without
this guy.

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For Moving Panels podcast, it's
Laramie Wells.

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How you doing Laramie?
Great, this is my favorite

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carry.
Sequel, pretty much, Pretty

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much.
So we're talking, of course,

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it's Friday the 13th.
We're doing our bonus episode

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because we have a Friday in the
month of June.

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That's the 13th.
So we're almost out of.

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Yeah, almost.
There's typically 4 Fridays in

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June.
But only one.

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That's the 13th and only comes
around every so often.

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But, but we're about to run out.
We're an 88.

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We've got one more after this
one.

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So, but we have, I think I've
had both of you.

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I don't think on all of them,
but on most of them.

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I think Laramie's been on all of
them.

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I think Charlie's been on most
of them.

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Maybe.
But anyway, go back and listen

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to we've done one through 6 so
far, so here we are with #7 So

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let's jump right in.
Laramie, when did you see Friday

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the 13th Part 7 for the very
first time?

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When it aired, Yeah.
When it aired, when it aired on

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Channel 36 in Atlanta, whenever
I was a kid.

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Yeah.
I honestly, I can't tell you

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exactly when, but it definitely,
definitely was, again, all of

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the Friday 13th, all of the
Nightmare on Elm streets.

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Yeah, they were all on
television in the probably early

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90s when I was when I was a
child.

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Although honestly, other than
like the nudity in the language

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this isn't.
This didn't have to be cut all

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that much I wouldn't think.
Not for TV but they they cut a

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lot because sorry we'll get into
it.

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They had to cut it 9 times to
keep it from getting an X

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rating.
And the director?

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Was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm just talking about with

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the finished product.
Like we editing it for

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television could hadn't have
been that drastic.

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Yeah, much like one of the
previous ones we talked about

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where it's like it was the most
goreless and, you know, the

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cleanest of the Friday the 13th
movie so far.

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So Charlie, what about you?
I thought I know you bought the

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compilation, and that's usually
what you tell us.

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You watched it for the.
First time I was about to say,

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if you heard, if you've listened
to any of the other episodes, I

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bought the box set maybe, you
know, seven or eight years ago

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and I sat down in a week or two
and watched all of them.

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So, so yeah, this is and then I
watched it again not too long

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ago.
So it's it's pretty fresh on the

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fresh on the brain.
Yeah, I can honestly say this

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was my first time watching this
one.

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I had never seen this one
before.

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I know we talked previously,
like, you know, it wasn't a huge

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horror movie horror of 80s fan.
I got I got into the right

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Nightmare on Elm Street, but
Friday the 13th I definitely got

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into later.
But I know I'd seen like I

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remembered seeing 4I remembered
seeing three, but the later ones

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I didn't.
And so, yeah, this was a first

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time watch for me, but I I kind
of knew that it wasn't one of

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the better ones.
So my expectations were not very

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high.
And I'm glad because he would

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low expectations.
It still wasn't good, but we'll

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we'll get into it.
So how long has it been since

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you rewatched it before you
watching it for the podcast?

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So Charlie said he just watched
a little while ago, right?

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Yeah, just watched it and then
watch that the the recap that

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goes through all the highlights
and low lights of this movie.

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So yeah, I just just finished
that not too long ago.

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Gotcha.
What about you, Laramie?

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Probably other than watching it
to prep for this show, it's

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probably been two or three years
OK since I've watched it again.

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I am a fan of all of these, so I
do watch them on a fairly

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regular basis.
Not necessarily yearly, but

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fairly consistently.
Do you watch them in order or

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you just pick one to watch every
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If I'm.
If I'm going to watch them, I

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usually it's kind of the way
Charlie just talked about, like

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I usually try to sit and watch
as many of them as I can from

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the beginning to the end.
Yeah, watch.

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Watch the decline from movie to
movie like in real time.

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Gotcha.
All right, well let's jump into

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pre production and story origin
after the previous installment

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Friday the 13th Part 6 Jason
Lives, which reintroduced the

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Jason Voorhees character.
Part 7 was originally intended

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to be a crossover film between
Jason and Freddie.

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With each Friday the 13th
sequel, the box office prophets

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were diminishing, with the films
in the Nightmare on Elm Street

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series grossing nearly twice the
amount of the Friday the 13th

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films.
Paramount Pictures proposed the

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crossover idea to New Line
Cinema, the rival company who

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held the rights to the Elm
Street films, with Paramount

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controlling domestic
distribution and New Line

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controlling international
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The idea was abandoned after the
two companies failed to come to

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an agreement, with the concept
only coming to fruition after

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New Line purchased the rights to
the Friday the 13th franchise,

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releasing Freddy VS Jason in
2003.

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But one of the concepts for Part
7 was conceived by associate

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producer Barbara Saxe and was
noted as being similar to the

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plot of Jaws, where a corporate
land developer covers up the

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previous Jason Voorhees
massacres in order to profitably

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build condos on Crystal Lake.
Executive producer Frank Mancuso

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Junior resisted the idea, and
screenwriter Daryl Haney stated,

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quote, UN quote, there's always
a teenage girl who's left to

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battle Jason by herself.
What if the girl had telekinetic

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powers?
Sacks, who consider the Jason

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versus Kerry concept to be an
interesting idea, wanted the

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installment to be more
respectable than the previous

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entries in the series.
Haney stated that she wanted to

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be unlike any other Friday the
13th.

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She wanted it to win an Academy
Award.

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Several high profile directors
were considered for the job,

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including Italian filmmaker
Federico Fellini.

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Instead, they got John Carl
Buckler, an American special

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special.
I'm sorry, American special

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makeup effects artist,
screenwriter and actor.

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He was best known for his work
on horror and science fiction

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films, mostly as part of Charles
Band, Empires Charles and

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directed films such as Troll
Cellar, Dweller, Ghoulies 3,

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Ghoulies, Go to College, and
Curse of the 49er.

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His makeup work included
Ghoulies Troll Television, Dolls

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on Nightmare, Elm Street for The
Dream Master, and Halloween for

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The Return of Michael Myers.
So not Academy Award-winning

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stuff.
No, but I have AI have a problem

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with one thing that was said.
OK, what's that?

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He said that Jason, there's
always a final girl with Jason.

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Had he forgotten the last three
movies?

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I think Tommy Jarvis trilogy.
Right, right, right.

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Well, I think like what I read a
different account where he was

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basically on the payphone with
the producer and every idea he

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gave them they wouldn't take.
And so he's like, well, let me

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just throw this out at you.
So it was kind of a bottom of

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the barrel pitch idea.
So he probably wasn't thinking

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of it clearly all the way
through.

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But yeah.
And the director now calls it

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Carrie versus the Terminator.
He doesn't even think of it as a

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Jason Voorhees Friday this type.
Movie Look if the best thing to

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come out of this movie and then
the next three is Kane hotter.

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Absolutely.
Absolutely the best Jason, hands

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down.
Absolutely.

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Yeah, one thing you said in
there actually makes a lot of

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sense about the whole they
wanted to get, well, Jason kept

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getting stronger and stronger,
and so they needed a new idea.

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So they came up with Carrie
instead of just a regular final

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girl.
If you have just a regular

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human, well, then this zombie
teleporting Jason could just

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make short work of it.
So I guess, I guess it makes

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sense, You know, with movie #7
Yeah, let's get.

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Crazy going back to Kane Hotter,
though.

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If your worry is that Kane's
getting stronger, why do you

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hire a guy who's built like a
house?

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He's got to be the thickest
Jason.

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Yeah, maybe not the tallest, but
the thickest Jason we've had

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yet.
Yeah, and the way he moves

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around, especially in the later
scenes, he's.

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Kane hotter.
So good at that.

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Yeah, he's not necessarily
smart, but you know, like,

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quote, UN quote, he's the
smarter Jason.

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Like he, he has a door and he
like, is trying to scare them

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and it's just, it's working.
Yeah, he's terrifying.

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All right, well, let's jump into
casting since we're right there

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talking about Kane hotter
because he's at the top of the

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cast list.
As he should be.

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Sorry, my notes take it takes
you back to the top.

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OK, so Kane hotter is Jason
Voorhees Hotter is best known

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for his portrayal of Jason
Voorhees with four appearances

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in the film series, this being
the first one.

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Then he returns for part 8,
Jason takes Manhattan.

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Then Jason goes to hell the
final Friday in which he also

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played Freddy Krueger's Claude
glove hand and he was Jason and

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Jason X and one in the video
game Friday the 13th the game.

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He is also known for his role as
Victor Crowley in the Hatchet

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series.
He also played Leatherface

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during the stunts of
Leatherface, The Texas Chainsaw

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Massacre 3 and the motion
capture in the video game The

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Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Correct me if I'm wrong, did the

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same guy who directed this one
direct the hatchet movies?

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Yes, I think so.
OK.

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Yeah, I think that was on there,
yeah.

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And then Kane hotter also plays
like a guard, security guard or

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something.
And and one of them, and it's

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Jason, goes to Hell.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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OK, Yeah, which is common.
We see that a lot in you know

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what.
We've seen it more often where

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the person like the Pred, the
guy who played the Predator and

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Predator, he was the helicopter
pilot at the end.

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So you get to see them out out
of outside of the makeups.

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And then a Wes Craven's new
nightmare.

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Robert Englund played Robert
England, Yeah.

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So in Kane Hotter's book Unmask,
the true story of the world's

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most prolific cinematic killer,
he notes that one of the fondest

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memories of the Part seven shoot
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department, making his mother a
custom Jason's Mom crew members

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jacket, which he found very
amusing.

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He says that she would wear it
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decades up until her passing.
He noted that it would be over

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90° in his hometown of Sparks,
NV, but she would still proudly

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wear it to the grocery store
hoping someone would say

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something in case they inquired.
Her purse was loaded with signed

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autographs that he would send to
her that were leftovers from his

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convention appearances.
He noted that at times it got

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playfully embarrassing, but
because it made her beam with

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pride, he also oddly loved it
and holds on to it as a positive

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memory, so had to share that.
That was a good, good little

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story there.
I wonder if it had a hockey mask

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on it or if it or if people walk
in in the store were just like

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oh cool, Jason's mom.
Well, I think it was like, you

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know, on the back it probably
had the film load, you know, the

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film title and then the the
front.

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Yeah, Jason's mom instead of her
name.

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But yeah, that, yeah, it would
be funny.

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So.
But I wonder if the autographed

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pictures are just Jason, like
him in costume.

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It's not his face.
Like, yeah, Are you sure this is

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your son who's behind the mask?
But, yeah, very, very good.

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So next we got Laura Park
Lincoln, one of the most

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interesting actress names I've
done, as Tina Shepherd.

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She also appeared in the 1987
film House 2, the second story

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as Kate, and the 1988 episode of
the anthology horror series

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Freddy's Nightmares.
She also appeared in the

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television series Knots Landing
from 87 to 91.

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Yeah.
So yeah, The producers, after

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turning down Marta Cober, who
appeared in Friday the 13th Part

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2, and Carrie Noonan, who played
in Friday the 13th Part 6.

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John Carl Buckler, the director,
originally wanted Paula Irvine

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to play the role of Tina
Shepherd because she was 19

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years old at the time and had
the perfect teenage look and the

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personality he was looking for.
Unfortunately, she was already

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committed to * as Liz and
Phantasm 2 that also came out in

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88, so he was unable to cast her
for the role.

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As John was running out of time,
he was not able to find a real

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teenager between 18 and 19 years
old to play the role of Tina

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Shepherd.
He had no choice but to cast

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Laura Park Lincoln, who was 26
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She had to wear a lot of makeup
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younger than she looks, so the
audience would think she's a

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teenager.
Did they really though?

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Yeah, you also, you also got a
love for an actor to hear he had

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no choice but to hireright,
right?

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Yeah.
And so the producers also like

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that.
They said she resembled Sissy

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Spacek, who played Carrie in the
film.

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Carrie.
I didn't really see that.

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I don't see that.
Yeah, I didn't see that at all,

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but can't believe everything you
read on the Internet.

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But what did you guys think of
her as the main protagonist of

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this for this this episode or
this entry in the franchise?

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I thought she was great.
No, I thought she was great.

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She played the scared unknowing
coming into her powers well, I

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thought, Especially considering
the other casting and the other

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acting that you see in the
movie.

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Or like thereof.
Yeah, right.

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Other than other than Kane
hotter being amazing, I thought

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she was the the second best.
Obviously being the main

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character we see the most of
her, but right, I thought she

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did a great job.
Yeah, no, I I didn't mind her.

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I like that she didn't go over
the top with her psychic

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ability.
Yeah, kept it very, kept it very

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subtle.
You know, that's one thing that

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probably is my biggest critique
about Carrie and Sissy Spacek is

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the way she does her eyes and
just the the snapping back and

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forth.
Yeah, I at least appreciated

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that Tina Moore made it a
constant, like she's

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concentrating the type thing and
didn't make it, you know,

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obvious of what she was.
It has a couple of times where

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she moves her head in the
direction she's wanting

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something to go, but I didn't
mind it.

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I think she did a good job.
Yeah, I I don't have any.

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I don't have anything negative
to say.

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I don't think she was a standout
necessarily.

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Like, well, I'm not shocked that
I didn't see you're in a lot of

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other movies.
Like she's not my favorite final

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girl of the series.
I think there's been others that

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were stronger than her.
But once again, I don't really

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have much to complain about.
I think she did well with what

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she had.
You'll see as we go, there's

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not, I don't have much to talk
about cast wise.

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And I could even tell you right
now, even going through the

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cast, like I don't remember who
anybody was.

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There's so many.
I mean, I'm used to there just

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being people there for him to
kill.

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That just kind of happened to,
you know, come into frame at the

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wrong time, you know, coming to
the scene at the wrong time.

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But there was no real
relationship between the people

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for that.
Like, they weren't, they didn't

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seem like a good group of
friends that you got to know.

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Like it seems like in the other
movies there was maybe a little

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bit more time showing them as
friends.

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Here.
You knew they, you know, she was

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the outsider.
Of course, Tina was the outsider

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and but the one psycho girl that
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Nick, where's Nick?
But everybody else were just

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like, I'm, I'm just like, oh,
these are just bodies for him

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to, you know, for him to kill.
But I couldn't tell you anyone's

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name.
And even I struggled to remember

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Tina and Nick for the most part.
But yeah.

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So let's talk about Nick.
Or the one that played Nick

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Rogers, Kevin Blair, probably
best known for his roles as

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Doctor Craig Wesley on the soap
opera Days of Our Lives and

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Jonas Chamberlain on the ABC
soap opera One Life Live.

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Those are the two most soap
opera names, Craig Wesley and

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Jonas Chamberlain.
So yeah.

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So it's well known that Alar
Park and Kevin did not get along

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while making Friday the 13th The
New Blood, despite playing on

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love interest so much that
Spurtis wrote his own script

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with a Friday the 3rd 8 where
the Nude Blood was only a dream

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and his character Nick killed
Tina.

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On the deluxe edition Blu-ray
commentary, Laura's notes that

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while she and Co star Kevin did
not initially get along on set,

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a mid 2000s convention
appearance brought them together

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under much calmer non film
related circumstances.

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They soon began having dinner
after an appearance regularly

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and soon after became very close
friends.

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She even noted that she that he
sang to her daughter as she was

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as she took the crown from Miss
Texas just some years before the

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commentary.
The two now chuckle that they

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initially didn't get along, yet
now are very close knit friends.

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So good to know they they worked
it out but I didn't really see

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the chemistry between them.
No.

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Well, there's a good reason for
that.

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I don't know if you're aware.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, we, I

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wasn't going to get that part of
it, but yeah.

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But he, yeah, he he played for
the other team.

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We'll just put it that way.
So did pretty much every other

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male actor that is in this
movie.

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Yes, yeah, that's I read that
that as well.

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So.
So there was, there wasn't a lot

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of chemistry with any of them,
right?

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Right, Which which I think which
once again makes it even more

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awkward that there's not real
chemistry with anybody like it

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just nobody seems like a real
couple at all.

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They're just like, they're just
making very.

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Forgettable.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, Yeah.
OK, we'll get into it.

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So Susan Blue, who played Amanda
Shepherd, Tina's mother, All I

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had to.
I didn't think there was much

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here, but she's a very well
known voice actress.

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She voiced RC in Transformers
the Movie in seasons three and

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four of Transformers.
She's also known for playing the

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roles of Stormy, Mary Phillips
and Lindsay Pierce, and the 80s

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animated series Jim.
She also served as a casting and

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voice director for A Handy
Manny, for which she also guest

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starred as Marian.
So there you go.

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She was a well known voice
actress and then the only name

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on this cast list that I
recognized Terry Kaiser is

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Doctor Chris Cruz.
Who's best known for name?

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The deceased title character
Bernie Lum X and the comedy

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Weekend at Bernie's and its
sequel Weekend at Bernie's 2

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Yep, good old Bernie, which is
crazy go ahead, I.

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Was going to say for for the
people out there of the younger

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generation, as you point out,
the guy who played Eddie, I

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don't remember his real name,
but he was a voice actor.

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He did some of the voices on
Dexter's lab and he was voice of

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Johnny Bravo.
He was, Yep, Johnny Bravo.

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OK.
So that's that's pretty cool.

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That's like I said, that
resonates with me more.

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But I had no and he doesn't look
like he would voice Johnny

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Bravo.
But I mean, I believe it.

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Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I don't think, I don't

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think I had him down.
And going back to Terry Kaiser,

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yes, Mia's, Mia's the Superman
guy.

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He played and and bearing my
last name.

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He played HG Wells on The New
Adventures of Lois and Clark in

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the 90s.
Very cool.

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Yep.
But it was crazy for me because

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I did when I started watching
it, I didn't look at like what

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year it came out and I was kind
of confused because I was like

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it feels more like a mid 80s
like 8586 like even.

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I mean Weekend to Bernie's came
out a year later and he looks so

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much older and weekend at
Bernie's.

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So maybe they made him wanted to
be younger and look older or

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whatever, but it just seemed
like it was hard for me to

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believe this was made in 88.
It just didn't seem to have the

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same kind of the quality or it
just looked older.

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The only other cast mate that
I'll really kind of talk about

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only because she had, she did
some things.

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Elizabeth Keiten as Robin
Peterson, she was the redhead.

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She made her.
If that's the only reason I had

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to put that there.
So I remember who she was.

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She made her film debut in the
raucous comedy Waitress in 1981.

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She had a one line mid part as a
German girl in Woody Allen

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Zelig.
She moved to Los Angeles in

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1984.
She alternated between lead and

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supporting roles in a bunch of
entertainingly trashy low budget

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exploitation features in the
horror, action, comedy and

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science fiction genres.
She appeared as Candy in the

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Vice Academy film series.
Her other memorable parts

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include Jennifer Staten in
Silent Night, Deadly Night Part

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2 in 87.
She was the She was in Slave

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Girls from Beyond Infinity in
87, Assault of the Killer Bimbos

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in 88 there.
You go.

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The Gretchen Hope and
Rollerblade warriors taken by

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force and 89 Yeah, so.
Love those titles.

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Yeah, figured they were so fun I
had to share them.

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So her death scene had to be
reshot after principal shooting

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on the movie had wrapped in
Alabama.

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She was originally killed by
Jason by having her stomach cut

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open with a machete, but the
makeup appliance underneath her

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shirt was noticeable, so the
scene had to be reshot in Los

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Angeles with her being thrown
out of a window by Jason

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instead.
And of course we know this was

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just like the similar kill from
Was It The One wasn't the one

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before this one?
It was it was was that 5I?

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Don't know there's so many
throwing.

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Out the.
Windows and.

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Yeah, somebody rolling.
Yeah, although I will say no one

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has ever been thrown out a
window and landed so soft.

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Yeah, yeah, I think I read they
were like the other girl that

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got thrown out, landed on the
car, which is probably what

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killed her.
And they said with her only

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coming falling out of the second
story window, she probably would

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have been hurt but probably
didn't die.

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Yeah, wouldn't have died.
Yeah, but we don't see her

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again.
So you assume that's what

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happened.
So did you recognize the voice

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at the beginning as the
narrator?

450
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,760
So there there are two theory or
those two?

451
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,040
There are not 2 theories,
there's 2 reports. 1 is that

452
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,400
it's Walt Gordy who played Crazy
Ralph in the 1st 2 entries.

453
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,360
Returning from the dead.
Exactly.

454
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,160
And there's another one that
said it was Stacy Keach senior

455
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,440
who did the voice over.
But I want to go with Walt

456
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,080
Gordy.
And I like to know that he came

457
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,840
back.
It was his final role before he

458
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,960
passed away.
Thought that was worth

459
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,640
mentioning.
And then the director, John Carl

460
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,440
Buckler, made a cameo.
He was the firefighter who picks

461
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,560
up Jason's broken mask at the
end.

462
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,840
Good for him.
Yeah.

463
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,680
Had to be seen.
All right.

464
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000
Anybody else on the cast that I
I know we you mentioned the one

465
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,840
that I didn't mention that was
Johnny Bravo's voice.

466
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,240
But anybody else that you
thought was worth mentioning?

467
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,440
Nope.
Other than other than maybe just

468
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,040
to throw her out the I don't
know her name, but the young

469
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,440
Tina.
Yeah.

470
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,960
Yeah.
Am I the only one who when I was

471
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,200
younger before I knew better,
who thought she was the girl

472
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,960
from Poltergeist?
As soon as it started, I was

473
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,560
like, is that the same?
Yeah, I thought.

474
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,160
I thought the.
Same.

475
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,640
Am I watching the wrong horror
movie?

476
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,560
I.
Was like, I don't remember, you

477
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,440
know, when I did poultry, I just
remember saying that she was in

478
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,520
this movie.
Yeah, she gets just like her,

479
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,480
but I know she's in is in one of
the Leatherface movies.

480
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,880
Really.
Yeah, she she plays

481
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,880
Leatherface's daughter or
something.

482
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,160
I'm not.
It's in the one that's called

483
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,280
Leatherface.
OK, when you said the daughter,

484
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,600
I at least know which movie it
is.

485
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,040
Still couldn't tell you her name
but.

486
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,440
Right.
But it's the one that it's Texas

487
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,760
Chainsaw Massacre.
Three.

488
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,320
Yeah, it's called Leatherface.
OK.

489
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,240
Yeah, because Kane Hotter was
one of the stuntmen in that one.

490
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,360
So, yeah, this is going to be a
tough one for me.

491
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,240
Iconic scenes.
Is there a scene in this movie

492
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,000
like someone had said?
Yes, the new yes, there is.

493
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,680
OK.
All right.

494
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,080
What's What's the scene?
The sleeping bag to the tree.

495
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,800
OK, OK, that is an iconic Jason
kill.

496
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,960
Yeah, I agree with that.
So yes.

497
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,120
Now, if you were, if you were to
say which movie was it from, I

498
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,560
probably wouldn't have been able
to tell you that it was from

499
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,520
this particular movie.
But if you're just asking what

500
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,440
is an iconic scene from this
movie, Yeah, that's it.

501
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,400
OK.
For sure, I agree with that

502
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,800
statement.
Yeah.

503
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,040
And there's not really a scene,
but just another iconic, I guess

504
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,200
moment is a lot of the stunts
that Jason takes.

505
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,480
Obviously we've we've praised
Kane hotter.

506
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,200
Kane hotter, yeah, that's all
him.

507
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,160
But like, some of the stunts
that he takes in this are just

508
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,600
absolutely memorable and
slightly psychotic.

509
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the walk, the walk, Yeah.

510
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,760
He he he gets whatever everybody
pictures of Jason is Kane

511
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,480
hotter.
I would bet money the way that

512
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,280
Kane the way that he walks the
way that he like sometimes

513
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,080
before a kill, you'll see him
take a breath in and he moved

514
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,360
his shoulders come up.
You know, it's like here we go

515
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,880
and, you know, kill somebody.
The turn he makes with his head

516
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,800
before he moves his body.
That's great.

517
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,920
I did get a kick out of there
was 1 scene.

518
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,920
I think he's behind a tree and
he kind of does a peekaboo or

519
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,880
yeah, yeah, kind of humorous,
but still, yeah, no Kane, the

520
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,640
Kane hotter and the way as
Charlie saying that just this

521
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:34,560
Jason, this Jason is is iconic.
And he also kind of pulls like a

522
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,360
Michael Myers and he'll admire
some of his kills.

523
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,840
He doesn't do it every single
one of them, but a lot of them,

524
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,920
he just has that extra one or
two seconds or he just looks at

525
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,360
him or is like, yeah, I did
that.

526
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,960
But we talked about Charlie
mentioned earlier about the, you

527
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,840
know, the teleporting Jason,
which people always talk about,

528
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,080
like, how did he get there?
How did he get in this movie?

529
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,680
I'm going, where did he get that
weapon?

530
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Yeah, yeah.
Especially after he kills Tina's

531
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,800
mom, which he he just does with
whatever that thing is.

532
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,720
But it's just, you know, a
standard little weapon.

533
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,240
And then all of a sudden he's
going after Doctor Cruz with a

534
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,320
weed eater with a, with a, a saw
blade attached to it.

535
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,240
Where did he get that?
Where was that?

536
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,480
Just laying in the woods.
He's just placed things around.

537
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,440
Yeah, I did see somewhere a
little fun.

538
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,840
Fact is, that's the only
motorized weapon in the entire

539
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,400
Friday franchise that Jason gets
a kill with.

540
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,880
That is the only one.
Everything else is a, you know,

541
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,320
standard.
Blunt object.

542
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,520
Shetty Axe.
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,680
His hands squeezing someone's
head.

544
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Yeah, yeah.
Which that one he does several

545
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,160
times, yeah.
He's good at that one.

546
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,560
I will say, like one of my other
favorite ones when you're

547
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,400
talking about the walk is
whoever the party was for that,

548
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,600
the cousin that was running late
where he was using the bathroom.

549
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,040
He kills the girlfriend and then
he starts to run and Jason does

550
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,480
the walk and I'm like, oh, here
we go.

551
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,720
He's going to catch up with him.
Like Nope, He just takes the

552
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,680
knife out and just throws it and
hits him in the back.

553
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,840
I was like, that's cool.
Like I'm not I'm not even going

554
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,520
to chase you.
I'm just going to kill you from

555
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,440
here.
So that was that was one of my

556
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,280
that's probably, you know,
second definitely to the

557
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,840
sleeping bag.
But that was that was one that

558
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,880
was probably one of my favorite
kills as well.

559
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,880
So any other favorite scenes?
No.

560
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640
I mean, just the fight scene,
the where you actually get

561
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,000
Carrie versus Jason, That's
that's yeah.

562
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,680
Yeah, talking about the stunts,
like, you know, he was the

563
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,160
stuntman for when the the front
of the house falls in on him.

564
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,120
He was a stuntman when the he
falls through the Yeah.

565
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,120
So talking, talking about when
the roof falls down on him, do

566
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,720
you know that that actually
injured him?

567
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Yeah.
And he says the only reason he

568
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,360
did not sustain a serious injury
is because of the mask.

569
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,280
Wow, OK.
And if you look very closely,

570
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,200
the stunt woman that's playing
Tina, you know, you see her from

571
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,560
behind right before it cuts, You
see her flinch because she

572
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:24,200
realizes what just happened to.
Kane Yeah, I think I read too.

573
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Like when you fell through the
floor.

574
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,720
Like he barely missed one.
Like more of the floor broke

575
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,880
than they thought, and he barely
missed getting the back of his

576
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,240
head on one of the open.
It wasn't so much that, more of

577
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,880
it.
It's just he almost went too

578
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,440
far.
Well, gotcha, yeah.

579
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,480
And his head, if he had been
just a couple of inches farther,

580
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,880
his head would have hit a
stationary step that wasn't

581
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,680
designed to to break, Right.
Yeah, yeah.

582
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,480
And then of course, y'all
mention the fire.

583
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,560
And I think at the time, the
time of this movie, that was the

584
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,840
longest.
Recorded.

585
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,840
Yep.
It was the first time that it

586
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,840
was.
You saw it lit on film.

587
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,280
Like typically they do it
separate, but he actually had an

588
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,400
igniter on him that caused him
to catch fire.

589
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,600
You see it on camera and then he
went 40 seconds, which at that

590
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,560
time was the record for the
longest.

591
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Longest burn?
Yep, Kane hotter is awesome.

592
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,200
And the other crazy thing is he
had already done a fire stunt

593
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,960
and got burned.
Seriously.

594
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Yeah.
He's got he's got a score.

595
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,520
Yeah, world record burn.
So he might actually be crazy.

596
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Well, you know he has the word
kill tattooed on the inside.

597
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Of his bottom, yeah.
Yeah, not where I'd want to put

598
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,280
a tattoo.
No, I I don't have any tattoos.

599
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,920
I don't either.
I could.

600
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,520
I can't even imagine what that
would feel like.

601
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,520
I don't like needles anyway,
That's why I don't have a

602
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,880
tattoo.
But I can't even imagine, you

603
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,720
know, it's hard enough.
Thing is going to be on my arm

604
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,680
or something that's not that
sensitive.

605
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,320
I don't even like getting my
teeth cleaned.

606
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,120
Come on, you.
All right, Well, let's jump into

607
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,960
some scenes and trivia.
Mentioning the sleeping bag

608
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,960
scene, a cane Hotter said he had
difficulty with the scene

609
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,880
because a bashing in the tree
because the dummy and the fake

610
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,080
blood inside was heavier than he
thought it would be.

611
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200
The scene required a number of
retakes because he kept swinging

612
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
as hard as he could.
But no matter how hard he swung

613
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,000
the sleeping bag, he couldn't
get it to look right.

614
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,360
By the final take, he was so fed
up with the situation that after

615
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,840
he dropped the bag, he kicked it
angrily.

616
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120
This is the shot that appears in
the final film.

617
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,440
In retrospect, he says that is
one of his favorite kills and he

618
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,840
later recreates and Jason X.
But yeah, but also they said

619
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,160
that in the in the version we
have, he only hit, she only hits

620
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,560
the tree once.
But in the uncut scene he

621
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,840
actually like 6 or 7 times, like
it was multiple times and every

622
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,040
time he would hit, it would hit
the tree.

623
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,920
You would see more blood come
through the sleeping bag.

624
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,440
So, but they had him cut it.
Stupid MPA, right?

625
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,160
And they said there's it there
you can find like fan made

626
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,760
directors cuts or like an
unedited, but the film quality

627
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400
is very poor because they said
they didn't they were, you know,

628
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,320
back then they weren't thinking
about director's cuts.

629
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,920
They were getting rid of the
extra film.

630
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,400
So so they've talked about that.
Just don't, you know, you're not

631
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,200
going to find a director's cut
that's going to be of good

632
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,360
quality.
But they say there's some out

633
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,920
there on the Internet if you
want to search.

634
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,360
I said another, another trivia.
Director John Karl Buckler

635
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,280
stated that he clashed with
associate producer Barbara Sax

636
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,400
continuously over many ideas
that he had for the film.

637
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,720
This included showing Jason
unmasked for quite a bit of the

638
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,040
movie, which we saw that at the
end she vetoed the idea but he

639
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,960
ended up filming it behind her
back.

640
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,360
He also stated the final
sequence of Tina's father coming

641
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,320
out of the water was to be more
elaborate and feature a full

642
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,280
prosthetics and a life-size
dummy.

643
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,600
That sequence was completely
overruled.

644
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,560
End up filming what he considers
an inferior version of the idea.

645
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,440
We what we've said before we
start recording.

646
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,960
Worst ending ever.
Like even when I watched his

647
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,280
day, I said I hadn't seen it
before.

648
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,320
But when she would like when
Jason was coming at her and the

649
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,320
boyfriend Nick was in the boat
and I was like, please no, do

650
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,280
not tell me the dad is coming
out of the water.

651
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,520
And as soon as he popped up, I
was like, you have got to be

652
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,000
kidding me.
Like there is no way.

653
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,480
How did this?
How did this get approved?

654
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,320
Yeah, and and two things.
One is he looks great.

655
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,760
Yeah, for for the fact that he's
been under the water for 10

656
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,159
years.
But second, why has he been

657
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,440
under the water for 10 years,
right?

658
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,840
Why was his body never
recovered?

659
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,120
It's not like they didn't know
where it was.

660
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
There's just, I guess something
about getting bodies out of

661
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Crystal Lake.
They just don't do it.

662
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,760
Yeah, Yeah, they.
Don't know what they're going to

663
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,199
find down there.
No, I, I actually.

664
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,320
So that's my next point.
Writer Daryl Haney admits the

665
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,760
conclusion of Tina's dead father
coming to Lake to save her was a

666
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,480
stupid mistake.
Rector thought if they could, if

667
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,920
they were going to do it, then
Tina's dad needed to come up

668
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,480
looking almost as decayed as
Jason, since he was supposed to

669
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,640
have been dead at the bottom of
the lake for just as long.

670
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,640
Scenes were shot with actor John
Autryn in full makeup, but

671
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,560
Buckler was overruled by Co
producer Barbara Sachs, who

672
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,440
thought this effect looked equal
parts disgusting and silly.

673
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,400
So instead, they threw some
traces of mud on his face and

674
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,360
called it good.
Fans have since theorized that

675
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,240
the father is not his revived
corpse, but only a manifestation

676
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:24,760
of Tina's powers due to his lack
of decomposition, the

677
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,280
unexplained appearance of the
chain that he carries, and

678
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,960
because his body would have
undoubtedly have been recovered

679
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,760
from the lake after the death.
Which it isn't that large.

680
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,880
Yeah, which isn't that large or
deep.

681
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,440
So yeah, fan theories can try to
help you, but it's still

682
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480
terrible ending.
Yeah, I mean, it would be

683
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,000
different if there was proof
that she could actually manifest

684
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,080
something.
Yeah.

685
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,360
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe, you know, I don't know.

686
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Then again, then it kind of gets
into Nightmare on Elm Street of

687
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,680
where she I'm going to imagine
that I'm holding a sword and

688
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,160
then she's holding a sword,
right.

689
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200
Yeah, that gets that gets into
Freddy territory there if you

690
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,920
ask me.
But I also liked when they they

691
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,840
kind of first encounter and I
know it's it's Tina doing it,

692
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,960
but it's like all of a sudden
Tina and Jason are standing in

693
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,640
the woods from Evil dead when
you have the the tree come up

694
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,800
and attack just again, Evil Dead
fan.

695
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,720
So I could help but make that
connection.

696
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,920
I, I I had the same, I thought
the same connection too.

697
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,160
One thing I wish they would they
would have done more because she

698
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,600
has the vision of the cousin
getting murdered.

699
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Like I was expecting to see that
more like her having visions of

700
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,080
the kills before they happened.
But if she saw her mom, but

701
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,000
that, you know, but I just felt
like there I thought there would

702
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,960
have been more of that.
Like they could have played that

703
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,920
up a little bit more.
But for an hour and 28 minutes,

704
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,240
there's only so, you know, and
so many people to kill because

705
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,880
there was a lot of teenagers at
that party.

706
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,000
They they needed about 3 less.
I think it would have been OK.

707
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,440
So when you bring that up her
her seeing the original guy

708
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,840
again, we don't know any of
these people's names.

709
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,960
They're so forget important when
she sees his death and then

710
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,680
she's running back to her house
and she sees the whatever it is

711
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,840
metal rod, the metal thing
sticking in the back door.

712
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
She tells doctor Cruz and her
mom about Doctor goes out.

713
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,120
It's not there.
Was it there?

714
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,840
Now that you're saying all this,
she manifests.

715
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,080
Stuff and sees stuff.
Was it there?

716
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Well, he has it in his desk
drawer, so I'm assuming he got,

717
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,840
he took it out, he took it hit
it because we don't see him.

718
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,960
We don't see him look at it.
He just go.

719
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,800
He just comes back in and calls
them out to come look at it.

720
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520
So you don't actually.
See, they look out there, they

721
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,280
have the there's the hole that
it Yeah, the.

722
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,200
Hole is there, yeah.
OK, yeah, so it I guess I was

723
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,880
just trying to to think maybe
they thought that was a

724
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,440
manifestation.
I don't know her, her powers are

725
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,720
so inconsistent.
Yeah, exactly what they are and

726
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:59,680
how they work and and all make
no sense.

727
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,560
Another one of my favorite like
stupid things, which there's

728
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,000
always been a stupid thing in a
horror movie, is Nick, the

729
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,040
boyfriend has seen her do all
these things to him to try to

730
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,280
kill him.
When he gets back up, he pulls

731
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,360
out the gun and starts shooting.
Like, dude, you think the

732
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,600
bullets are going to?
He's hit him with nails already.

733
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,440
She's hitting with, you know,
the house has fallen on top of

734
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,120
him.
The guns really going to work,

735
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,200
you know, I just like why it was
just so useless.

736
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,440
I have nothing good to say about
this ending because if you just,

737
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,120
if you just take out the dad, Mm
hmm.

738
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Take it like, make it like vines
or something.

739
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,200
She controlled that.
She's been controlling the

740
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,880
matchbox and the other thing.
Make it vines that she pulls

741
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,160
them down there or the chain
that he was stuck down there

742
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,480
with before.
Yeah.

743
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,240
Just like wrap around them.
Yeah, yeah.

744
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,000
Yeah, it's then it then you go
back and you think, OK, well,

745
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,680
they only put that very
beginning scene in there just so

746
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,760
you could recall it back in the
end of the movie.

747
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,520
And it's just like, what are we
doing?

748
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,600
And like you said, with the like
growing in her powers, Tim, like

749
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,080
to bet you weren't a story
writer in 1988 because that is

750
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,080
10 times better than what we saw
on film.

751
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,840
And the ending is just like, of
course it's not a good movie,

752
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,360
but it has certain expectations,
I guess.

753
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,480
The. 7th And you just it's got
to be better than that.

754
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,480
But it wasn't.
That's that's why they fell

755
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,360
apart.
Yeah, yeah.

756
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,440
I don't understand why she
didn't use her telekinesis

757
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,480
powers to like, RIP his arm off
or like, you know, hold him down

758
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,040
or something.
It was just yeah, throwing.

759
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,280
TV at him.
Yeah, yeah.

760
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Just like she squeezed the mask
and like he started oozing

761
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,480
whatever.
Yeah, that again it it kind of

762
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,080
worked.
Right, Right.

763
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,880
Yeah.
But I agree her powers are

764
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,360
inconsistent, but she's also
just starting to learn them.

765
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,320
But of course, at that moment,
at the end, she has enough power

766
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,720
to bring her father out of the
water.

767
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,120
So.
Yeah, I don't know.

768
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,040
You make go back to the Carrie
reference.

769
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,800
I mean, you go back to Carrie.
Like Carrie, once she realizes

770
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,920
she has those abilities, like
she figures out how to use them.

771
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,240
Yeah, yeah.
You know, that that's one of the

772
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,160
things that works so well in
Carrie is that she has full

773
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,560
control over what she's doing.
By the time you reach that prom

774
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,680
scene, it's not just, you know,
her going crazy, it's her going

775
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,880
crazy and then using her powers
the way she has learned how to

776
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,280
use them.
So yeah.

777
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,640
But I also going back to the
beginning, I I love that what

778
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,920
the first 3 minutes of this
movie is just saying, you know,

779
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,760
just in case you didn't see the
1st 6 movies.

780
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,320
Right, right.
And most of that footage of them

781
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,560
showing the the tombstone is
just reused.

782
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,720
Not even movie footage.
But the trailer for Jason Lives.

783
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,080
Like it wasn't even in the
movie.

784
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,960
That was from the trailer, Yeah.
Yeah, good stuff.

785
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,320
Yeah, when it started, I was
like, wait a minute, this is the

786
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,400
next movie, right?
Like when he, when I saw him,

787
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,680
when they like him coming back
to life in the grave, I was

788
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,360
like, wait a minute, I've seen
this one already.

789
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,120
Are we not redoing this one
again?

790
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,680
Are we?
So yeah.

791
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,240
Yeah, and and not, but not to
jump ahead because I'm sure the

792
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,640
three of us will cover Part 8 as
well, but in my personal

793
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,320
opinion, Part 8 is worse than
this one.

794
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,440
I'm just going to go ahead and.
CC agrees with that.

795
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,240
Yeah, I know Part 7 is usually
on the bottom when you you see

796
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,240
rankings.
Yeah, I know this one's usually

797
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,320
on the bottom, but it's not.
It's second to last for me.

798
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,800
Jason Take Manhattan is at the
bottom.

799
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,000
Another one I have not seen yet.
So.

800
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,320
So when we get to get to that
one, it'll be it'll be fresh

801
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,480
eyes for me.
Just skip it them.

802
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,040
You can't.
It's an 80s.

803
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,920
Movie.
We have to do it.

804
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,800
Without it, yeah, you you can
just you can just get all your

805
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,680
information and Charlie and I
will fill in the.

806
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,400
Blanks and everything else.
I'll, I'll give it to you guys.

807
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,960
You save me the trouble.
Save me the trouble.

808
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,680
All right, Well, our my last
little trivia.

809
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,720
Do you know why they called this
movie New Blood?

810
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,680
Is it a carry reference?
Nope, I'll tell you this, the

811
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,200
director doesn't know either.
Good job.

812
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,320
It seems it seems like a fairly
obvious reference to Tina

813
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,800
Shepherd stepping into Jason's
new chief adversary after he's

814
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,800
battled Tommy Jarvis for three
straight movies.

815
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,880
However, neither Daryl Haney,
the scriptwriter, nor John Carl

816
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Buckler had anything to do with
attaching that particular

817
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,600
subtitle to the film.
Butler simply want to call it

818
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,880
Friday the 13th, Part 7.
The geese thought 7 was sort of

819
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,240
a magical number, and to this
day he doesn't fully understand

820
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,960
what new blood is supposed to
mean.

821
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,560
I guess for a variety of
reasons, Paramount couldn't be

822
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,640
honest and just call it Friday
the 13th, Part 7.

823
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Jason versus telekinetic teenage
girl who are not legally allowed

824
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,320
to refer as Carrie, or Friday
the 13th, part 7.

825
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,040
Don't worry, we've only got two
or three more of these left in

826
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,320
US.
Yeah.

827
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,520
Don't worry, we're almost done.
Yeah.

828
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,480
Exactly.
We've almost we've almost maxed

829
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,560
out.
But also 1988 was the first year

830
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,080
which all three of the then top
top horror series.

831
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,240
Halloween, Friday the 13th and
I'm and Elm Street all released

832
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,240
new films in the same year.
You had Friday, you had This

833
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,440
one, New Blood Nightmare, Elm
Street, The Dream Master, and

834
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,720
Halloween for the return of
Michael Myers.

835
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,640
Additionally, the first Child's
Play was also released in 88, as

836
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,360
were Hell Bound, Hellraiser 2
and Phantasm 2, all of which

837
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,880
would also become major horror
series in their own.

838
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,680
So 88 was a good year for
horror.

839
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Well, maybe had a good year, but
it was.

840
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,400
But it was a full.
Year quantity.

841
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Quantity.
That's not the quality.

842
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,280
Exactly.
Exactly.

843
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,120
I mean, at least it wasn't
Halloween five.

844
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,640
Yeah, so it was Halloween.
Nightmare on Elm Street Part 4

845
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,240
is one of my favorites, so I'll
get that.

846
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,760
Child's play.
I've never been a huge I'm.

847
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,440
I love the Chucky movies but
yeah the first one just is what

848
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,160
it is if you ask me.
I think I like the second one

849
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,360
and some and when he gets more
comedic a little.

850
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,960
Bit later that's kind of how you
know, Friday the 13th.

851
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,200
I mean that nightmare Elm Street
like they get more fun the more

852
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,840
zany or the more.
Yeah, but then they got but

853
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,320
Yeah, but then they got bad with
Yeah child and yeah.

854
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,160
Did you say which hellraiser was
it 2 Two.

855
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,080
Yeah.
OK.

856
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,200
And to to me that one's better
than the original.

857
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,360
What else?
What else did you say?

858
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,680
Phantasm.
Phantasm 2.

859
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,160
OK, yeah, I don't remember
Phantasm 2, I remember Phantasm

860
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,440
one, but I don't remember
Phantasm 2, so can't say much

861
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,480
about that one, but yeah.
So yeah, quantity over quality,

862
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,240
but there were some good ones in
there.

863
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,680
All right, box office New Blood
debuted at #1 at the box office.

864
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,680
That was nothing else to watch.
Yeah, there was no other new

865
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,560
releases.
It opened on May 13th, Friday,

866
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,160
of course, an encouraging sign
since Jason Lives had been the

867
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,880
1st Friday the 13th and not to
debut at #1 Unfortunately, new

868
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,960
blood faded fast, ending with
19.1 million domestic, which was

869
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,080
slightly off of Jason Lives 19
point.

870
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,440
They were going down while
Nightmare Elm Street was going

871
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,040
up.
Nightmare Elm Street 4 open

872
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,280
later that year, grossing $49.3
million.

873
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,880
So yeah, they're little. 19
wasn't even close to what?

874
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,240
Freddy was doing, but that still
made it successful because it

875
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,040
wasn't only like a $2 million
budget.

876
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
I mean, it made money, but it
didn't make the kind of money

877
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,680
that they we're expecting.
But I think that goes back to

878
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,720
like, even though the previous
movies made money, they never

879
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,920
put more money into the sequels.
Like the sequels all looked

880
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,360
cheap because they wanted to
make them cheap to get more

881
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,680
money on the back end.
So yeah, The thing is why it

882
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,640
doesn't, it doesn't seem to look
like an 88 movie.

883
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,680
It looks more like a 8586 movie.
Which Speaking of, go back a

884
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,520
couple of weeks to my podcast,
The Moving Panels, and check out

885
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Tim and I talking about Superman
4, talking about yeah, taking

886
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,800
money away from a sequel, and
yeah, and it looking like crap.

887
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,280
Yeah, we're going to give you
$50,000,000 to make this movie.

888
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,040
Oh sorry, make that 17,000,000.
No, it's like make it

889
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,680
36,000,000.
No, make it 17.

890
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,320
Million.
Oh, sorry, we're out of money.

891
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,920
Whatever.
Whatever you have left to shoot,

892
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,480
you got to do it now.
Yeah.

893
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,560
All right.
Let's get into the rewatch

894
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,280
ability Nostalgia meter.
This is our new segment.

895
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,080
We take a look at how well this
80s flick holds up today.

896
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,800
It is our way of measuring how
enjoyable a movie is for repeat

897
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,320
viewings, along with the waves
of nostalgia brings.

898
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,360
Here's how it works.
Thinks is Charlie's first time

899
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,840
using them, telling us his
ranking.

900
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,920
Any number between 1:00 and
10:00 will do.

901
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,120
But here's some parameters for
you to help you decide.

902
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,000
One at the bottom says, I saw it
once, and that was enough.

903
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,640
Right in the middle at the five
is a good rewatch every couple

904
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,960
of years, maybe longer, and the
much coveted #10 at the top is

905
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,480
highly rewatchable and full of
nostalgia.

906
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480
I'm pretty sure I know where
this is going to land for

907
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,240
everybody but Charlie.
To give you a second to think

908
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,680
about it, I'll let Laramie go
first.

909
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,280
Where does Nightmare switch to
horror movies?

910
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Where does Friday the 13th Part
7 land for you on the rewatch

911
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,280
ability nostalgia meter?
OK, so I'm going to, I'm going

912
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,400
to give this two different
aspects.

913
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,320
So if I am putting it like I
talked about at the beginning

914
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,040
where I am watching it because I
am watching all of the Friday

915
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,720
the 13th, that puts it puts it
probably about like a six maybe.

916
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,640
If I include it as part of the
series.

917
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,800
If I take it out all by itself,
then I'm probably hitting the

918
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,120
2-3.
It's still going to have the

919
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,120
nostalgia factor for me, but the
rewatch ability, it's way down.

920
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,960
Yeah, the nostalgia factor keeps
it from being a one, but yeah.

921
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,320
So yeah, two or three all by
itself with the series, I'd say

922
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,040
probably a six.
OK.

923
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,160
I don't have anything to counter
that.

924
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,280
What do you say, Charlie?
I too, I'm going to give it 2

925
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,920
grades.
If you could give me a version

926
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:10,120
of just Kane Hotter, it's a
solid 8, but you can't and so

927
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,960
adding in all the other garbage,
it's a high 2.

928
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,160
Maybe low three.
If it's Halloween, low 3.

929
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Right, right.
Oh gosh, yeah.

930
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,680
This one doesn't have any
nostalgia for me because like I

931
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,720
said, this is my first time
watching it, so it's all about

932
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,640
rewatchability for me.
And it's not very high.

933
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,360
So yeah, I was, I was kind of
like Charlie.

934
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,240
I was like 2, maybe a three.
Yeah.

935
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,800
So it's it's way, way at the
bottom.

936
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,320
But I agree with you, Laramie.
Like I would watch it again

937
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,960
because it's part of the series,
but it's not if I'm picking one.

938
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,640
If I'm picking one or two to
watch out of the series, it's

939
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,360
not going to be my first,
second, third, or even 4th.

940
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,000
Choice, yeah.
All right, well, now it's your

941
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,440
turn, audience to let us know
where you think it lands on your

942
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,000
rewatch ability nostalgia meter.
So please let us know.

943
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:02,800
Reach out to us on the social
media or you can send us an

944
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,200
e-mail at
info@eightiesflickflashback.com.

945
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,480
Well, gentlemen, I appreciate
you talking about Friday the

946
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,760
13th.
Once again.

947
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,520
It's been a fun ride.
Anything to add before we wrap

948
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,160
it up?
I'm a big fan of Carrie.

949
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,720
One thing I found interesting
was that from pre production to

950
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,600
release date was only six
months.

951
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,560
Yeah, I did see that.
That's ridiculous, and no wonder

952
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,120
it's awful.
Yeah, they were rushed because

953
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,440
with the problems with getting
a, when the the deal with

954
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,320
getting Freddie versus Jason
fell through and then trying to

955
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,200
come up with a script casting
and everything, Yeah, they they

956
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,960
were, they were, they didn't
have much time to get it ready

957
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,880
for a Friday the 13th release.
So for sure.

958
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,400
So, and I will say to anyone who
might check out the documentary,

959
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,720
I think it's called Behind the
Mask, they are going to tell you

960
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,040
that Jennifer Sullivan, who
played Melissa.

961
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Right, right.
Passed away.

962
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,000
She did not.
She did not.

963
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:06,800
She is still alive and well.
She just escaped Hollywood and

964
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,880
is is just living her life.
Yeah, I think they said they

965
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,640
that they were asking different
people and they thought they

966
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
were talking about a different
Jennifer Sullivan that had

967
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,040
passed away.
And so just it was a mix up with

968
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,760
the names.
But yeah, I did read that as

969
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,360
well.
Oh man, yeah.

970
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,040
I almost want to ask like Jeremy
has on his podcast, you're

971
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,000
pairing like if this is this
might be a good one.

972
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,840
We didn't we didn't like this
one.

973
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,600
So if you could refer something
else that if they didn't want,

974
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,520
if they watched this and needed
something to kind of cleanse

975
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,440
their palate, what would you
recommend after this one putting

976
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,080
you on?
The I mean, are we going to

977
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,480
stick with a horror movie?
Sure doesn't have to be.

978
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,720
OK, Carrie, let's go with
Carrie.

979
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,520
Go see Carrie.
Yeah, I was going to say,

980
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,240
sticking with the same cast and
crew, you could go watch some

981
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:01,680
Johnny Bravo.
Yeah, I mean.

982
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,280
Look, you want, but you want a
low budget Kane hotter killing a

983
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,480
bunch of kids hatchet like
again, you stick with the same

984
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,240
director who said that this is
the same director.

985
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,920
Yeah, I think so.
But yeah, yeah, go, go see

986
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Hatchet.
Hatchet's fun and a lot.

987
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,760
You get to see a lot more blood.
And you don't just have to

988
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,920
imagine what Jason just did.
So just seeing blood on their

989
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,720
shirts.
Yeah, I'm sorry you called.

990
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,040
These are called slasher films.
Yeah.

991
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,280
Yeah.
I want, no offense, I want to

992
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,880
see the death.
I want to see it happen, right?

993
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,200
That's what this one should have
been called.

994
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,600
The subheading should have been
Jason or Friday the 13th 5.

995
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,960
Use your imagination.
Yeah, that's a double meaning

996
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,160
there.
Yeah, yeah, I think there was.

997
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,320
Yeah, I think the fans have
given it.

998
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,800
I got to go back to my notes.
The fans had renamed it after

999
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,640
all the cuts and they called it.
The new cut.

1000
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,320
It's Friday the 13th.
The new cut.

1001
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:09,040
Instead of the new blood Friday
the 13th and the no blood is

1002
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,520
what the fans.
Called it.

1003
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,680
It's a good one.
That's not bad.

1004
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Yeah.
All right.

1005
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,800
Thank you, gentlemen for being a
part of the podcast.

1006
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,600
We'll see you guys again next
Friday, the 13th.

1007
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,320
Of course, I'll probably have
you guys on for other things as

1008
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,040
well, but thanks everybody for
tuning in.

1009
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,000
Thanks guys for joining.
I'm Tim Williams for the 80s

1010
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,480
flick flashback podcast.
There's a legend around here, a

1011
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,000
killer buried but not dead.
A curse.

1012
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,040
Jason Voorhees curse.
They say he died as a boy but he

1013
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,240
keeps coming back.
Few have seen him and lived.

1014
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,920
Some of you and tried to stop
him.

1015
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,360
No one can.