#149 - "Mannequin" (1987) with Bethany Wells

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Long before Kim Cattrall
appeared on HBO as the

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outspoken, sexually confident
I'll Try Anything Once, Samantha

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Jones and Sex in the City, she
played an Egyptian woman under a

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spell and reincarnated as a shop
window dummy.

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Inspired by Pygmalion, the tale
from Ovid's Metamorphosis poem,

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which tells a story of a
sculptor who fell in love with

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the statue he had carved.
It's admittedly the kind of

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storyline that was only
plausible in the 1980s, and we

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loved every second of it.
So hop on your motorcycle, meet

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us at Prince and Company
Department store, and keep an

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eye out for the vicious guard
dog Rambo as Bethany Wells and I

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discuss Mannequin from 1987 on
this episode of the 80s Flick

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Flashback Podcast.
Well, welcome and everybody so

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glad to have you here on the 80s
Flick Flashback podcast.

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I'm your host Tim Williams.
We have a fun episode from store

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tonight to help me break down
this wonderfully wild ROM com.

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I have a Co host with the
creative flair of Hollywood

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Montrose and can bring a
discussion to life in a way that

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would make any proud.
I know she was perfect Co host

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and nothing's going to stop us
now.

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Please welcome the fabulous
Bethany Wells.

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How you doing Bethany?
I'm doing great.

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I was listening to that song on
my way from home from picking up

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my daughter from rehearsal, and
she was super embarrassed

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because it got to the chorus and
we were in the driveway.

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So I slammed the car and parked
and I jumped out of the car and

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I was like dancing around the
car.

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And she was just like, what are
you doing?

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Right, right.
Oh yeah, song is.

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Great.
Oh, yeah.

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Like, even when I got to the
credits, when I was watching it

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again today, like I let the
credits play.

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I'm like, I can't stop this
song.

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It's like one of the greatest.
Ed Songs.

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Ever.
Yeah, exactly.

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We're going to stay in this song
forever.

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Nothing's going to stop us now.
Awesome.

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We're talking about Mannequin
from 1987.

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One that I've talked about
before was like how I've never

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done this movie.
Like we're several years into

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the podcast.
It's one that I've seen so many

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times, and so I'm excited to
talk about it.

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It was a fun rewatch today.
But Bethany, when did you see

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Mannequin for the very first
time?

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Very young.
It was one of those.

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I'm pretty sure it was one of
those like HBO regular movies.

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Oh yeah.
And we had like a free weekend,

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as is how I've seen most of the
movies I talk about on your

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podcast.
Right, right.

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I just have very vivid memories
of sitting and watching it in

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our living room and just being
entranced.

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Like I was obsessed with this
movie.

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Every time it came on, I was
there.

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Yeah.
And I this is one that I saw on

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HBO for sure.
And it was one that they played

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like all the time, if not once a
day, probably twice a day, like

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first thing in the morning,
again in the afternoon.

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And so, and this is one that me
and my, this is one of the few

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movies that I remember that me
and my sister would actually sit

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down and watch together.
Like if one of us had started

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watching and the other one
walked in the room, they'd sit

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down and we'd, you know, we'd
sit down and watch it together.

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And so much of a cat I'm sure
went over my head as a kid, like

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watching it again now, but it's
so ridiculous and fun that it

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just, it just hits all those
like buttons of like it just,

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it's just a feel good movie just
to sit down and like, I don't

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have think too hard.
I don't have to.

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I'm not, I'm not grading it on
acting performances or storyline

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or plot.
It's just I just want to be

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fully entertained for 90 minutes
and just enjoy myself.

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And that's exactly what it is.
It doesn't take itself too

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seriously, which is why I think
it it works and the ways a lot

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of other movies don't.
So how long has it been since

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you re watched it before you're
watching it for the podcast?

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I'm pretty sure it had been like
a year, 'cause I that that

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TikTok trend where it's from
that random movie I haven't seen

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with Kristen Wiig and Bill Hader
and I think they're twins, but

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they're.
Like twins?

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Yeah, they're lip syncing that
song.

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And I heard that song and I was
just like Mannequin.

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And I was like, how can I watch
this?

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And so I went like looking to
try to find it.

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I eventually just bought it on
Blu-ray and me and the girls sat

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and watched it and there was
some parts where I was like,

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just don't think too much about
this art right here.

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Right, right, right.
Yeah, yeah, same.

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I actually ended up, I ended up
buying the Blu-ray like last

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year or like early this year.
So it's like, it's one of the

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things like now it's like once I
have the Blu-ray, like it has to

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go on the list of ones we're
going to watch are going to do

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for the podcast.
But I honestly, it's been at

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least 15 years since I watched
this again.

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So not that I didn't want to
watch it, but it's just not it's

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not as easily available to
watch, but I think it it had to

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have been on like HBO probably
before HBO Max when you can

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still watch, you know, I was
watching movies on demand or

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whatever it was.
I think it was late one night.

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I was looking for something to
watch and it was like, oh,

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mannequins on here, I've got to
watch this right now and just

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enjoyed it.
But yeah, so when I got the

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Blu-ray, I rewatched it.
So yeah, it's been a, it's been

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a good long while for me.
But watching it again today, I

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think, like now that I own it,
it's probably going to be one

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that I'm going to watch a lot
more.

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If I just want to have
something, just something fun to

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have on.
Don't have to pay much attention

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to but just have it have it on
in the background is definitely

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one of those kind of movies.
It's it is, and it's also one of

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those movies.
I think it's you forget it

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exists until you something
triggers a memory and then

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you're like, Oh my gosh, I love
that movie.

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And then you become like, I
become obsessed.

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I'm like, I've got to watch it.
I've got to watch it.

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I haven't thought about it in
forever and now I've got to

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watch it.
Yeah, there's a few that I've

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that that I'll see a clip of on
TikTok or like there's I get a

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lot of montages now on TikTok,
like, you know, 8 all the 80s

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movies and they'll you'll see
like a little a small clip of

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like, OK, I got to go back and
watch that one.

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OK, I got to go back and watch
that one.

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Yeah.
So I've covered that one.

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You have built your algorithm
brick by brick, Tim.

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Yes, yes, and it's still not a
perfect algorithm because just

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because I watched one full video
doesn't mean that I want 16

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other videos saying the same
thing.

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We're talking about the same
thing.

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Like I just, it caught my
attention.

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But anyway, so I'm, I'm learning
about how to, I know we're

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getting off topic, but that's
what we do.

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I've got to the point where I
realize now, like how to like

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hold the button down or hold the
screen down to say you're not

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interested and have to go back
and kind of the kind of like

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reboot your algorithm, as they
say, which I had to go on Google

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and figure out how to do that.
So yeah, I'm showing my age.

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I didn't know that that was an
option.

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I just go like, Oh no, I'm
seeing a lot of these.

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I'm just going to swipe past
them really fast.

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Yeah, yeah, I think that helps
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But yeah, I think there I, I
went online, I was like, how do

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you, you know, how do you stop
seeing the same videos?

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And it's like, you can, you'd
like hold it down.

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It'll ask like you're not
interested in this.

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I think it's like this, this
hashtag this, this like whoever

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the maker of it is like the the
sound like it gives you like 4

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different things and you can
like unclick all of them.

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It doesn't completely clean it
out, but it does kind of help

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kind of reset, reset.
Anyway, back on topic, SO.

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Good to know.
We try to be information,

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informational as well as
entertainment.

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So I like it.
All right, cool.

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So story origin and pre
production.

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This is like one of the shortest
story ordered and pre

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productions I've ever seen.
Well, it feels like it should be

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because it feels like a movie
where somebody was like,

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wouldn't it be fun if we did
this and everybody's like, yeah.

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Yeah, give me your five.
Give me your 3030 minute or I'm

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give me your 32nd elevator
pitch.

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Yeah.
So here we go.

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Yeah, the idea for the theme,
the idea for the film came when

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director Michael Gottlieb, I
think that's how you say it,

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Gottlieb.
Gottlieb was walking down 5th

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Ave. and thought he saw a
mannequin move in the window of

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Bergdorf Goodman, he wrote.
He took inspiration from his

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teenage years as well, working
in a Macy's stockroom.

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He was particularly inspired by
his own experiences with

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mannequins behind locked doors.
Others observed the similarities

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to the plot of the film One
Touch of Venus from 1948.

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The film was made based on the
marketing principles of noted

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Hollywood market market
researcher Joseph Farrell, who

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served as an executive producer.
The film was specifically

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designed to appeal to target
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So that's pretty much it.
Michael Gottlieb, this, he was a

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writer, director.
This was his first movie that he

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ever directed, and he just had
fun with it.

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But yeah, once again, it could
have only been made in the 80s

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like this.
This is one of those movies that

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just like, yeah, that makes
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There's a yeah, there's a
portion of it that's just a long

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music video.
Oh.

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Yeah, of course.
And it's my favorite part.

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Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, that's, but that's yeah.
I mean, that's if you, if

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there's not a good montage in
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Was it really an 80s movie?
So good and like probably one of

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the top five best montages of
any movie because Kim Cattrall

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and.
Andrew McCarthy.

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Andrew McCarthy, thank you.
I was like Andrew and then

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Garfield was the only thing
popping in my head.

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But the two of them look like
they were just like shown a

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costume rack and said like have
fun.

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Yeah, exactly.
Live your.

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Best life?
Yeah.

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And then, you know, throw logic
out the window.

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But like this, this was the
largest, like first of all, the

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largest department store I've
ever seen in my life.

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Bizarre.
And then why?

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Does it have an organ?
Yeah, yeah, Which was not in the

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store, it was somewhere else,
but yeah, the organ.

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But you've got a toy gun, you've
got, you know, period piece, you

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know, suits and dresses, an
electric guitar.

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So obviously they had a music
section.

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You.
Know no wonder they're doing so

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poorly financially.
Like what are?

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What is your target demographic?
Right, right, exactly.

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And like, I'm like, I know he's
a night person, but how much

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time #1 does it take you to get
dressed up and then figure out

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what you're going to do?
What do you mean?

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It's just, but it's just fun.
I mean, when I, I don't, I don't

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want to pick it apart because
it's just too much fun.

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But it is, it is a great, yeah,
it is a great montage.

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My favorite part of the montage
is him when he starts playing

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with the fedora and he's doing
like the hat tricks with the

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fedora.
I was like, Oh yeah, how do you

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do that?
Even though I'm magic and I've

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been through all parts of
history, yes.

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I've been alive for thousands of
hundreds of years.

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Right, right.
But your hat trick.

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Yes, I can.
I can make your motorcycle that

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didn't run now in the rain after
you saw me.

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I can make it start again.
But show me that hat trick

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again.
Yeah.

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All right, let's jump in the
cat.

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That's it for pre production.
That was it.

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But it was.
It was.

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Yeah.
It was filmed in Philadelphia.

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That's where it was actually
filmed.

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They did use a real department
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shots.
The organ was not.

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It was at, it was somewhere else
in Philadelphia.

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It's like pretty famous, one of
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United States or something.
Why then?

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Why was it there?
Like, I can imagine if you were

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like filming and you're like,
hey, this really cool building

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that we're in has an organ.
Let's do a weird Phantom of the

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Opera thing.
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But once again, why would a
department store have a pipe

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organ in it, you know?
And hang gliders.

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Yes, well, the hang.
Gliders, yes.

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Oh.
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And then, yeah, but yeah.
And then, like, when he's

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playing the organ, it goes to
her like, dancing.

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But the shot is so far away.
Like, they couldn't like,

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wherever it was, They're like,
we can't get a camera close

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enough.
So just do the best you can.

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Yeah.
But yeah.

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So let's talk about the cast.
Andrew McCarthy, as we mentioned

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it, was Jonathan Switcher.
He's most known as a member of

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the Brat Pack, with roles in 80s
films such as Class, St.

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Elmo's Fire, which we covered
already, Pretty in Pink, and

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Weekend at Bernie's, which
you've covered already.

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He has been ranked #40 on VH1's
100 Greatest Teen Stars of All

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Time.
His eyes like heartthrob for me.

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Like I remember young little
Bethany going like, he's cute.

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He is he's so funny and he's
charming.

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Like I remember watching Pretty
in Pink and just being like,

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yeah, no, I get yeah, no, he's
he because usually I do go for

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the like nerdy friend.
But in in Pretty in Pink, I was

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like, no, no, no.
Andrew McCarthy is where it's at

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in this movie.
So you would have, you would

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have went for Ducky, is what
you're saying?

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No Andrew McCarthy.
Every single time.

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We used to do it for the nerdy.
The nerdy.

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Part I usually do.
Usually do OK gotcha gotcha.

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But unless Andrew.
McCarthy is the other.

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Yeah.
OK, just figuring it out.

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Yeah.
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And it's funny because like, he
had already done St.

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Emerald's fire before this.
Of course.

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I don't think I had not seen it
by that point.

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I was too young.
But like this and Weekend at

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Bernie's, like he just leans
into comedy so well, like he's

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great in a dramatic role, like,
you know, if you've seen any of

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his other work, but the way he
just kind of leans into the

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comedy, especially this, like
it's outrageous, it's

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ridiculous, but I'm just going
to I'm just going to have fun

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with it, so.
Yeah, he's having a great time

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in his weird mobster outfit.
Yeah, and he just ate the scene

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where he's playing the organ
like.

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Oh yeah, Oh yeah, he's.
Like somebody, somebody get put

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him in front of that and they're
like just play.

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Yeah.
And he said, OK.

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OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He wasn't considered a big box

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office draw before Mannequin
went into production.

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Still, the casting director
determined he had strong appeal

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to the young girls he designated
as the film's target market.

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So McCarthy won the lead role of
Jonathan.

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Yeah.
So.

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Yeah.
Yeah, can confirm.

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Originally the lead was written
for an older, lonely storekeeper

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with someone like Dudley Moore
in mind, but when Andrew

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McCarthy came on board, the
character was changed to be a

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young artist.
Probably a good idea.

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Yeah, I I think it would have
been more sad if it was an

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older.
Yeah, I don't think it would

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have worked as well, but they
did say this was one of the few

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movies where the female was
older than the lead man.

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Like she was 29, I think he was
like 24 and even like, of

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course, in the story she's
hundreds of years older, but

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still.
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But still, like for that, that
was, you know, still not as as

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common even now.
But for the to have the older

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woman but.
And so of course, Kim Cattrall

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would play that older woman, of
course, as is for custom.

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Well, let's talk about her next
Kim Cattrall as Emmy Hesire.

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She came to prominence with
roles in films such as Porky's

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in 82, Police Academy in 84, Big
Trouble in Little China 86.

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She followed up this with
Masquerade in 88 and Star Trek 6

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The Undisguised.
No yes, six.

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I'm sorry, it was Roman numeral
3.

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Meal for a second Star Trek 6,
The Undiscovered Country in

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1991.
Star Trek VI.

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Yeah, there you go, VI.
You know, we all know that one.

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Yeah.
Who's this Malcolm 10

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everybody's talking about?
OK, joke from a different movie.

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It took me a second.
OK, I'm I'm back.

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OK, thank you.
I'm glad you laughed at it.

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Before filming this movie, lead
star Kim Cattrall spent six

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weeks posing for a Santa Monica
sculptor who captured her

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likeness.
There were six mannequins, each

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with a different expression
made.

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Cattrall later recalled.
There's no way to play a

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mannequin except you want to sit
there as a dummy.

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I did a lot of bodybuilding
because I wanted to be a

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streamlined as possible.
I wanted to match the mannequins

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as closely as I could.
She also said that doing this

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movie made her feel grown up.
Her quote is I've become more of

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a leading lady instead of like
the girl.

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All the other movies I've done,
I played the girl and the plot

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was around the guy.
I've never had anybody do

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special lighting for me or find
out what clothes look good on me

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or what camera angles are best
for me in this movie.

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I learned a lot from it.
It's almost like learning old

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Hollywood techniques.
I've always been sort of a

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tomboy.
I feel like I feel great being a

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girl wearing a dress.
She.

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Looks so good in this movie,
like whoever was picking out her

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outfits did a great job.
Like back to that montage scene,

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which I will continue to
reference throughout this

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podcast.
She like every single outfit.

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She's Dunning.
Like she looks so good.

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And it did occur to me when I
was watching it today, I was

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like, how does nobody stop and
go?

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This mannequin has a different
face every time we see her, and

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that's not typical of
mannequins.

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And her arms are always in some
different type of different.

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Positions.
That's not a typical mannequin

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thing.
Right.

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No, not at all.
And every time he takes her into

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a room and brings her out, she
looks different.

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And we know because we're
standing there watching because

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there's nothing else to do at
the store.

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This.
This castle, we work inside of

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that also that sells hunting
gear and bathing suits.

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Yes, and hammocks.
And hammocks.

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And has and what was that what
the the cruise line that has

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like a cruise line section as
well.

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So sure, travel department.
Why not?

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There's a fake bus there.
Yeah, there's.

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Part of a bus.
I thought that would be.

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She was like, we're running out
of time.

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We're not going to have time to,
you know, put clothes on them,

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but we have time to put this
front of a bus.

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Bus.
There's a bus?

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Where did the bus come from?
Yeah.

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It's down there in that, that
part of the store where the they

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were at the end where they were
trying to put it on the conveyor

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belt.
It's down there in storage

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somewhere.
Next to the mannequin grinder.

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That's it.
The mannequin grinder.

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Oh my gosh, I love it.
All right, so moving on.

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Estelle Getty, one of my
favorites as Claire Timken.

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Of course, she's best known for
portrayal of Sophia on The

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Golden Girls from 85 to 92.
She reprised her role in Empty

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Nest, The Golden Palace,
Blossom, and Nurses.

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I thought this was amazing.
This was the first major movie

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role for her at the age of 63.
Good for her.

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I did not realize when I was
young and I watched like reruns

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of The Golden Girls.
When I was younger.

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I never put two and two together
until I watched it again last

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year.
I was like, Oh my gosh, it's

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Sophia.
I mean, she has she was on The

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Golden Girls then.
So I remember watching it, but I

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think that was when I realized
or when I saw it, I was like,

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she looks younger.
And that's when I realized that

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she's that's that's her and that
that was her real age.

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They made her older for Golden
girls.

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Like I didn't know that until
this movie came out.

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I remember that being like, you
know, mind blown for like a 13

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year old.
Like you mean she's not that

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old?
You mean she's the youngest of

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all of them?
Right, right.

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Yeah.
No, my favorite, I know

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everyone's heard the story, but
my favorite is that she would

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get in trouble because she would
go and get like Botox and

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they're like, stop it.
You're supposed to be the oldest

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1 here.
And she's like, I don't care.

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I'm not that old.
Yeah, that's where, yeah, I'm

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only that old while I'm on set,
but when I'm, yeah, when I'm

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out, when I'm at home, yeah.
Still's got things to do.

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Exactly.
Let the lady live.

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All right, so moving on, we've
got James Spader as Mr.

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Richards, which once again, just
lean into the comedy.

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Like, come on, dude.
He knew the movie that he was in

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and he showed up for.
It he knew the assignment, he

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knew his understood.
Everyone did, yes.

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Yes, A's across the board for
everybody in this movie.

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They all knew what movie they
were in.

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Well, hold on.
I've got a quote coming up soon.

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That's going to that's going to
share a little bit about it.

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But for James Spader, he began
acting in youth oriented films

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such as Tough Turf, The New
Kids, both in 85 Pretty in Pink,

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as we mentioned already.
He then starred in films such as

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White Palace in 1990, True
Colors in 91, Stargate 94 in

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Secretary in 2002.
And of course, he played the

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role of Ultron in Avengers Age
of Ultron in 2015.

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He was also on the TV show The
Blacklist more recently.

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I thought you were going to save
the office.

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Oh yeah, and he was in the
office for a little bit.

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Yeah.
This is the second of three

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movies featuring Spader and
McCarthy.

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They also star together in
Pretty in Pink and Less Than 0.

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All three titles were released
during 86 and 87.

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McCarthy would later go on to
direct Spader in multiple

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episodes of The Blacklist.
Which I didn't know that.

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That's really cool.
Yeah, I think McCarthy, he he's

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done like some.
He directed a lot of episodes of

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Orange is the New Black from
Netflix if you watch that show.

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Yeah.
So he's a very, very much a

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Renaissance man writer.
I think he's done some painting,

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you know, acting, writing.
So.

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But yeah, he's so funny in this.
He's so, I mean, it's and it's

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really kind of a he's not in it
a whole lot, but every scene

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he's in is just like.
He makes his mark.

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Yeah, yeah.
And the hair and everything,

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just it's.
So fun you don't immediately

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recognize him as Jim Sater.
Like that's how different he

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looks.
Right.

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Because I think the first thing
I ever saw him in was it was

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actually probably this, I just
didn't realize it was him.

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But the first time I saw him and
was like, who's this guy?

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It was pretty in pink.
And like he especially now plays

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the more like suave type guy,
the guy who like you really

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respect when he when you walk
into the room with him.

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Not this like smarmy.
Yeah, like.

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Because like I, I haven't seen
less than 0 in a long time, but

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he's very much kind of the bad
guy in that one.

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Like he's kind of like the the,
I mean, he wasn't great in

448
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,320
pretty in pink either.
No, he was also the bad guy in.

449
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,800
Pretty in pink, Yeah, but I
think he did.

450
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,360
There was it was a Boston public
or Boston.

451
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,880
Yeah.
What was that?

452
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,840
It was a lawyer show.
Was that the name of?

453
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,920
That was it.
Boston Legal.

454
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,400
Boston Legal.
That's it.

455
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,880
I was, you know, public.
Yeah.

456
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,600
But yeah, that's a.
Different one.

457
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,280
Yeah, exactly.
Boston Legal.

458
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,560
I think that was when, you know,
of course, older, but like that

459
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,560
was when I really kind of saw
him as an adult actor, you know,

460
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,160
doing doing adult things, but
just, you know, not playing the

461
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,840
like the the obnoxious teenager.
So but even though he's pretty

462
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,760
much an adult in this, but it's
totally for comedy.

463
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,680
But anyway.
Right.

464
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,480
Is he?
Yeah.

465
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,920
Is anybody an adult in this
movie?

466
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,520
Is anyone an adult in this
movie?

467
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,800
Literally no.
Not even a still game.

468
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,040
I don't know well.
More than more so than the

469
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,240
others.
Careful, probably, I don't know,

470
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,000
Kim Cattrall is probably the
most mature of everyone in

471
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,360
there, and she's not real, so.
Yeah, I mean she is, she is like

472
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,560
playing these part.
I mean, she is like changing

473
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,720
outfits and you know, but.
She's also just like, hey, maybe

474
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,440
you should get your life
together a little bit.

475
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960
In a way true.
But true isn't really demeaning

476
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,400
like his like Roxy.
Yeah.

477
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,480
Oh, gosh.
Oh, man.

478
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,880
We're getting there.
We're getting there.

479
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,200
Yeah.
But yeah, she is.

480
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,000
She is kind of the muse.
Like, you know, let's or, you

481
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,280
know, let's see 87.
Yeah.

482
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,400
This is about this.
It came out.

483
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,160
So she was kind of the Lisa,
like if you want to like some

484
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,640
ties to like weird Science,
where it's the fantasy girl, the

485
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,480
genie in a bikini kind of idea
that we talked about that in an

486
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,920
episode.
But yeah, where she's there to

487
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,640
help him grow up and and realize
what he can really do.

488
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,600
But yeah.
But I will say I feel like this

489
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,280
dynamic is a lot healthier than
other like the weird science

490
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,440
dynamic because it like yes he
put her together but like not.

491
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,560
It wasn't meant that way.
No.

492
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,280
And it was very much a like, he
just like put it together and

493
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,840
then she came to light.
Right, right.

494
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,160
And then got his life together.
Yeah, by like saying.

495
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,600
Hey, you've, you've got a lot of
like artistic potential.

496
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Let's focus it.
Let's just let's just focus a

497
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,240
little bit and you might get
some attention.

498
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,080
Yeah, and then it's kind of
cool, like the beginning, you

499
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,160
know, doing the different
windows, they're just having

500
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,680
fun.
Like he he's being artistic, but

501
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,480
just having fun.
And she's like, you know, let's

502
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,200
let's let's still have fun.
But like, put your like, really?

503
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,240
Because in that last one, she
says like she didn't want to be

504
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,960
in it.
So that would to make him force

505
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,840
him to do something completely
original without having her as a

506
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,720
centerpiece, which was smart.
I'm moving down the list.

507
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,720
We got GW Bailey as captain.
Felix Maxwell, of course.

508
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,320
You know, cartoon character.
Yeah, exactly.

509
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,920
Every time.
But every time, Yeah.

510
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,320
In the 80s, anyway.
So his famous roles include

511
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,080
Staff Sergeant Luther Rizzo and
MASH, the TV series from 79 to

512
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,800
83, of course, most notable as
Lieutenant Harris and Police

513
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,440
Academy films from 84 to 94.
On more serious note, he played

514
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,040
Detective Lieutenant Louis
Provenza on TNT's TV crime drama

515
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,200
the Closer and it's spin off
series Major Crimes from 22,005

516
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,840
to 2018, which I love both of
those shows and he was really

517
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,640
good in that.
But of course, he'll always be

518
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,360
Lieutenant Harris from police
Academy.

519
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,480
So talking about the what we
what they thought they were

520
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,440
making on the filming the movie,
he stated, quote, we didn't

521
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,040
think it would ever be released.
It was beyond silliness.

522
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,280
We would do outrageous double
takes over the lines and say

523
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
that we hadn't done this kind of
stuff since we were in high

524
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,160
school.
And the director would say more

525
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,840
more you're going in the right
direction with it going in the

526
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,480
right direction.
We didn't believe this, but

527
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,560
suddenly the movie was released
and here's this old fashioned

528
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,960
silly love story very loosely
based on one touch of Venus.

529
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,480
So I think they just, you know,
kind of trusted the director of

530
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,400
like leaning like he wanted them
to lean into the goofiness.

531
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,840
And I think they probably didn't
maybe didn't want to do it that

532
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,760
way because they just felt like
nobody's going to believe this.

533
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,280
Like, why would anyone see
something that's ridiculous?

534
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,400
But he had a vision.
He put it together.

535
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,040
But I just, yeah, that's, that's
great.

536
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,960
It's a silly premise, but it's
so fun.

537
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Like it's.
You can't think too critically

538
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,000
about it because it but it is so
fun.

539
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,480
Which is why the critics hated
it.

540
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,200
The critics demolished this
movie.

541
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,360
But we we don't talk about
critical reception anymore.

542
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,640
But I just, it was hard not to
see that.

543
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,160
But I was like, I don't care.
This wasn't This wasn't made for

544
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,600
the critics.
That's not this.

545
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,280
This movie wasn't Oscar bait.
This movie was like HBO

546
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,080
afternoon viewing.
Right, right, right.

547
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,360
This was some you know, it was
released in February.

548
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,360
This was very much like a
summer, which probably when I

549
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:03,200
saw it on HBO so much, but like
a summer afternoon, like beat

550
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,840
the heat, sit in the theater in
air conditioning, just forget

551
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,240
about life for 90 minutes.
Just enjoy yourself.

552
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,440
So let's talk about, you know,
human cartoon characters.

553
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,240
Hollywood Montrose, played by
the great, the late, great

554
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,560
Meshach Taylor, a wildly known
as his role as Anthony Beauvoir

555
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,600
in the CBS sitcom Designing
Women, for which he was

556
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,280
nominated for a prime time Emmy
Award for Outstanding Supporting

557
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Actor in a Comedy series.
Yeah, he was great in that.

558
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,160
He also played Sheldon Baylor on
the CBS sitcom Dave's World,

559
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,560
appeared as Tony on the NBC
sitcom Buffalo Bill opposite

560
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,960
Dabney Coleman, and appeared as
the recurring character Alistair

561
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,560
Wright, the social social
studies teacher and later school

562
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,320
principal on the Nickelodeon
sitcom Ned's Declassified School

563
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,720
Survival Guide.
Yeah.

564
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320
So he, he was doing work.
Sadly, he passed away from

565
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,320
cancer in, I think 2013.
So but but yeah.

566
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,960
And and this is where those
things were like as a kid did

567
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:05,160
not really understand.
He was the double entendre with

568
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,960
his character.
Right, exactly.

569
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,800
He was just, he was just a, he
was just a flamboyant.

570
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960
Very silly.
Yeah, silly character and so.

571
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,600
Yeah, I, I appreciated how his
character was represented.

572
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,960
Like, yes, it's very cartoonish.
And and there is that element of

573
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,040
like, let's make fun of this
kind of stereotype.

574
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Yes, very much so.
Also like he is very like loved

575
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,560
and accepted by the main
character which I appreciated.

576
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,240
It wasn't like only the mean
characters were talking down to

577
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,440
him.
Right, right.

578
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,440
Exactly.
And so it was very like, no, no,

579
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,000
no, this is just Hollywood.
This is just who he is, which I

580
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,720
liked.
I like that.

581
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,680
Yeah, he was a punchline.
But like, I don't know.

582
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,200
But he I'm.
I'm doing some mental gymnastics

583
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,080
to be OK with this character
but.

584
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Yeah, but he owned it, like you
said, like it is it is

585
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,360
stereotypical, unfortunately,
you know, it's it is one of the

586
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,160
cringier characters of the 80s
was probably why we don't see it

587
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560
as much on, you know, streaming
services and stuff now.

588
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,360
But but but as a kid, he was
probably my favorite character

589
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,920
just because he was the he had
the great lines.

590
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,440
He had the, you know, the IT was
just the outrageousness of the

591
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
character that was just, like
you said, vote so silly.

592
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,680
And I even remembered when the
scene came up today when he's

593
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,080
like covering his car, the pink
Cadillac with the polka dot, you

594
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,440
know, cover.
And I.

595
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,040
Yeah.
And I remember just laughing

596
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720
like that was such a funny scene
for me as a kid.

597
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,160
So.
Yeah.

598
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,520
No, Lily.
Lily and I were watching it

599
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,440
today while I was getting ready
for the podcast and she goes, is

600
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,520
he putting?
Is she goes, is she, is he

601
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,640
putting the car to bed?
Like what is happening?

602
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,560
I was like, just don't worry
about it.

603
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,000
He's he's just got to protect
his car.

604
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,520
Exactly.
Oh man.

605
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,760
All right, moving right along,
we got Carol Davis as Roxy

606
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,160
Shield.
Oh my gosh, this character as an

607
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,280
actress, she was a model first.
As the actress.

608
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,200
Her first feature film was James
Cameron's horror film Piranha 2

609
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,640
The Spawning in 1982.
Later in the 80s, she appeared

610
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,960
in the comedy film The Flamingo
Kid in 84.

611
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,920
She also appeared in films such
as the comedy The Shrimp on the

612
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,280
Barbie in 1990, If Looks Could
Kill in 1991 and The Rapture

613
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,320
also in 91.
In an interview, she said she

614
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,280
didn't enjoy making this film
because the film makers tried to

615
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,600
de emphasize her looks to make
Kim Cattrall appear more

616
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,560
attractive.
Scenes were reshot to give Davis

617
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,000
bigger clothes, I'm sorry,
baggier clothes and different

618
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280
makeup and hairstyle to
accentuate the difference

619
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080
between the two women.
However, Davis said she was

620
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,200
happy with her performance in
the movie and love filming in

621
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,760
the city of Philadelphia.
But that's the character she was

622
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,760
like, I mean, you knew what you
signed up for, I mean.

623
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,440
But I don't think she looked
unattractive.

624
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,960
No, not.
By any means.

625
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Like she's clearly gorgeous.
Like it makes sense why he

626
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,160
wanted to date her because she
was not nice to him.

627
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,440
Right.
No, not.

628
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,440
At all.
And so like it made sense why he

629
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,960
was still like wanting her, but
also like she was an interesting

630
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,120
character.
Like obviously you don't like

631
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,120
her but her motivations are
interesting to watch.

632
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Yes, she has.
She struggles with what she

633
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,840
wants because it's like she
wants him, then she doesn't want

634
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,480
him, then she kind of wants him
because it's for her job, and

635
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,160
then it's like she really wants
him again.

636
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,800
It's like, OK, make up your
mind.

637
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,560
Lady.
Yeah.

638
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,240
But she her her emotions fit
where the story needed to go.

639
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,000
And that was kind of, that's
kind of the bad part about her

640
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,680
character is it just didn't have
it, didn't have it wasn't steady

641
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,640
enough in her purpose.
Yeah, but yeah, but.

642
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320
We look past that.
Yeah, Yeah, it worked for this

643
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,840
movie, yeah.
And I think she did a great job

644
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,600
in it.
Like, she played that character

645
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,760
really well and I like I
understood what she was thinking

646
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,040
in every moment and you kind of
know exactly who she is.

647
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Like right out of the gate.
You know who she is.

648
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Like as soon as she gets on that
bike and you can tell she is so

649
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,920
embarrassed to be on that bike
in front of her boss.

650
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,640
Like you're like, OK, well, this
woman clearly cares about how

651
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,320
she seems.
And if you look at it from that

652
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,200
perspective, when she goes back
to wanting him, not only is it

653
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,800
because, like, she needs him for
her job, but also he now has

654
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,440
this acclaim.
He has this heat behind him.

655
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,280
She wants him because now being
with him makes people go like

656
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,080
look at you and he wants to be
with a mannequin.

657
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,320
We don't talk.
About that part, like that's so

658
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,080
embarrassing.
How embarrassing is that?

659
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Your boyfriend broke up with you
to be with a plastic woman.

660
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Right, right, right.
So it's, it's I liked her

661
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,240
character, even though like, I
liked how much I didn't like

662
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,840
her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

663
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Just like he wants to be with a
man because like, you know, when

664
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,560
you say it out loud, it really
sounds.

665
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Terrible and he wants to be with
a fake person.

666
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,080
Right, right.
That he made with his own two

667
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,520
hands.
Don't.

668
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:23,120
Say it, stop it, stop it.
The tide is turning on this

669
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,719
movie and I I will not stand
for.

670
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,199
That no, no, moving on.
OK.

671
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:31,679
So very quickly we'll mention
Steve Vinovich as BJ worked the

672
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,080
owner of the the other
department store, the rival

673
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,480
department store.
He's been in several movies and

674
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,120
TV.
Shows.

675
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,480
Yeah, he was in the Santa Claus
as the doctor.

676
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,040
That's like the only major like.
Role.

677
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,760
That's what I knew him from.
Yeah, but I've made the one from

678
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,440
TV.
He's been in Cheers, Roseanne

679
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,760
through his company, family
members.

680
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,679
His filmography is filmed with
like TV, you know, episodes, but

681
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,000
and then one of my other like
watching this is This is why

682
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,280
Roxy's character is great
because they paired her with

683
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,120
Christopher Marr as Armand
Armand.

684
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,800
He's appeared in feature films
and television episodes from

685
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,360
Taxi and Hill Street Blues to
Law and Order 24, The West Wing

686
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,400
and NCIS.
His character is so hilarious

687
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,920
and the things that come into
his mouth.

688
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,200
I'm like, how was this APG
movie?

689
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Like it was just so.
Why did I?

690
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,280
Why was I allowed to watch?
Exactly, exactly.

691
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,560
My parents were not in the room
when we saw this the first time.

692
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,600
It's out.
It's evident.

693
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,000
No, it's very the scene,
specifically this afternoon when

694
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,360
I was watching it again with my
child, when they finally decided

695
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,760
to like get together, when
Roxy's like, fine, whatever.

696
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,520
And then it cuts to the
aftermath of that and Lily just

697
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,760
kind of looks at me like what is
happening.

698
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,040
And I was just like, don't.
Worry about it.

699
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,720
Don't worry.
Block it out of your mind.

700
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,440
Don't.
Don't even.

701
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,880
We're just trying to think about
this scene.

702
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,840
This scene has no weight.
Like no, never comes up again,

703
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,800
right?
Was probably edited out of the

704
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,720
movie when it played on TBS.
Probably.

705
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Yeah, probably.
Because it it serves 0 purpose.

706
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,600
Yeah, none at all, yeah.
But it's still funny if you're

707
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200
an adult.
Yes, exactly.

708
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Yeah.
Like all of his scenes with him,

709
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560
like, Oh my gosh.
Just so funny.

710
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Oh gosh.
OK, unfortunately we can't

711
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,720
repeat most of it, but it's I
mean, no, no, no, no profanity,

712
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:40,400
just content.
Which is probably why it was a

713
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Pete was still allowed for PG
so.

714
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Frankly though, like sometimes
profanity is just not as profane

715
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,240
as some of the innuendo.
Right.

716
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,160
Exactly.
All right.

717
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,320
Anybody else in the cast?
I think I've covered pretty much

718
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,600
everybody that was.
I think that's.

719
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,480
All of them that had more than a
cameo.

720
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,760
I would who I wanted to look up
was the guy at the end I forgot

721
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,440
to look the the little sweeper
guy the.

722
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Guy that looks like Rick Moranis
stunt.

723
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,720
Exactly, Exactly.
I was like, oh man, who was that

724
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,160
guy?
Because I remember that being I

725
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,800
was one of my.
That's one of my favorite scenes

726
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,760
too, where he's like, yeah, the
trash and he finds Roxy and he

727
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,880
starts kissing her.
Like stop, Stop kissing, stop.

728
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,280
Leave me alone.
That's so funny.

729
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,800
And in the very end, he just
dives into the trash.

730
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Like the trash come back.
It's like, oh, this is how you

731
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,960
end a movie like this.
This is exactly how you do it.

732
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,400
And amazingly, he didn't come
back for the sequel.

733
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:36,520
No, you end a movie like this
with a wedding and a storefront

734
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,640
window.
Yes, exactly.

735
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,480
You're right, that was the
perfect and the freeze frame

736
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520
ending once again.
Absolutely.

737
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,120
Yeah, it has to be a.
Movie power ballad Yeah, ever

738
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:48,720
written.
Right, right.

739
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,800
Oscar nominated, which we'll get
to here in a minute.

740
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,280
So nice.
Before we get there, let's talk

741
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,680
about iconic scenes.
So if someone says to you

742
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,400
Mannequin, what is the first
scene that pops in your head?

743
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:06,680
It's that montage, it's so good.
It like it sets the tone of the

744
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,320
movie.
They both look incredible.

745
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:16,280
Kim Cattrall is stunning.
Andrew McCarthy.

746
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560
McCarthy, thank you.
I want to say Garfield again.

747
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,960
I'm so tired.
Andrew McCarthy looks like he is

748
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,480
just everything.
And they're so cute.

749
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Like, they're clearly having a
good time.

750
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like the characters are having a

751
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,960
good time, but it their
chemistry is so good, like,

752
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,320
through the whole movie.
And I I think if their chemistry

753
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,760
wasn't as good as it is, it
wouldn't work.

754
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,880
Oh yeah for sure for sure.
Like even even the bad reviews

755
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,000
talked about the performances of
McCarthy and Cottrell were like

756
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,320
is what makes it worth watching
even if they they hated the plot

757
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,600
and everything else in it.
Like they just felt like they

758
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,200
were a great couple on screen,
which I agree.

759
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,360
I yeah, I mean, like you
believed, like it's possible

760
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,400
something was going on behind
the scenes because the two of

761
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,760
them, like there were scenes
where I'm just like, Oh, my

762
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,240
goodness, I should not be
witnessing this.

763
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,120
This is very intimate.
And it's just them riding around

764
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,040
on a motorcycle.
Yeah.

765
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,160
So but yeah, they that scene of
them like trying on the

766
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,840
different outfits and just being
cute and goofy.

767
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Like it's never played for the
stereotypical the guys just like

768
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,520
I don't want to no, like he is
just as into it as she is.

769
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,160
And they are so cute.
I love that scene.

770
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,960
Yeah, the montage, like parts of
the montage are like very iconic

771
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,520
for sure.
Like even I think even like

772
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,840
going back and thinking about
the trailer, like a lot of

773
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,920
what's in the trailer is the
montage.

774
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,760
And then two, I'd have to go
back.

775
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,920
I didn't look it up, but like
the music video for Nothing's

776
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,240
going to stop us now.
Like OK, I know the group.

777
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,440
I don't know Andrew McCarthy's
last name, but I know the name

778
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,240
of that song, right?
But like, surely they used clips

779
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,280
of the movie in the music video,
which I'm sure were mainly from

780
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,880
the, which is why I think I
remember like the Rock where

781
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,000
he's she's wearing the, like,
Tina Turner wig and the outfit

782
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,600
and he's got the electric guitar
and the trench coat.

783
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,600
Yeah, so.
And that like weird elevator

784
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,560
thing.
Yeah, yeah.

785
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,760
Like they're look like they're
filming a music video.

786
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Like they're just, they're just
playing.

787
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,520
They're just, you know, playing
pretend, which is what we did as

788
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,760
kids.
They're just grown.

789
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,240
They're they're adult.
Children.

790
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,160
They're tall kids.
Right, exactly.

791
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,440
Other iconic things, like when
she first comes to life.

792
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:46,040
I remember that pretty vividly.
I I remember the scene of him

793
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,160
riding with her as the mannequin
on the back of the motorcycle,

794
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,720
like through town.
Like, that stands out to me for

795
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,600
some reason.
So yeah, so yeah, so there's a

796
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,120
lot of iconic scenes.
Those are the main ones.

797
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,720
But yeah, I think it's main the
stuff in the montage, like you

798
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,280
said, the I like, I like the hat
and play with the hat and all

799
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,640
that kind of stuff.
The gangster thing, Yeah, yeah,

800
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,440
yeah.
Where did that fake gun come

801
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,040
from?
Right.

802
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,000
Exactly.
Was it a real?

803
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,840
Gun.
No, it was too small.

804
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,880
That had to have been like a
toy.

805
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,280
That's why I thought they had a
toy toy.

806
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Department.
OK, yeah, sure.

807
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,800
It was behind the organ.
Yeah.

808
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,640
And at first I thought I was
like, is that a fake cigarette?

809
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,560
And then I saw it smoke.
I was like, thought maybe like,

810
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,840
yeah, like a prop cigarette.
No, no, no.

811
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,520
That was in the tobacco
department, right of the store.

812
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,040
So I have a feeling you're going
to, you're going to, you're

813
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,480
going to repeat what you said
already, but favorite scenes?

814
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,080
I'm going to guess montage is at
top of the list.

815
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,240
The montage definitely at the
top of the list.

816
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,320
Let me try to come up with
something that's not just that

817
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,360
scene.
It's so good.

818
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,280
You know, I do enjoy the scenes
that Hollywood is in, like

819
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,680
they're so over the top and so
silly.

820
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,120
But he's an endearing character
and Oh, yeah, yeah, it's so

821
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,920
funny when he basically, like
the whole store knows that

822
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,160
Andrew McCarthy is having an
affair with this man again.

823
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,440
And they're fine with it.
They have no problems with it.

824
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,160
They just want to listen,
apparently.

825
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,320
Yeah, yeah, that was that was
that was one of my favorite

826
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,600
scenes of the look.
He's talking to the dummy again.

827
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,720
He's doing it again.
Who's laughing?

828
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,360
Well, it's either, you know, the
fruit cake, the guy, or the

829
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,520
dummy.
Like it was just.

830
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,360
Yeah, yeah.
Not great.

831
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Not great, but it's still, it
was funny, yeah.

832
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,160
But yeah, Hollywood has a lot of
the great, great scenes.

833
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,400
Some of the other funny scenes
to me, like every time he gets

834
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,840
like caught or like she changes
from being alive to like, you

835
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,240
know, when they're rolling
around and then the there's like

836
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,320
an inspiration.
So.

837
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,120
Like it's so cringy if you think
too much.

838
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,720
About it, I don't think, don't
think to talk about it yet.

839
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,120
Like, frankly, frankly, Estelle
Getty should have at least had

840
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,680
him go see somebody.
Like we as the audience know

841
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,520
that he really is seeing her
turn into a real person, right?

842
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,440
But in real life, that doesn't
happen.

843
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,480
And if you saw somebody like
having an affair with a doll

844
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,840
that you are that they also then
propped up in front of a window

845
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,800
display.
I was watching the movie today

846
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,880
and I was just like, what other
movie is it where like a window

847
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,640
display changes the outcome,
like the financial outcome for

848
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,960
the store completely?
What other movie?

849
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,400
It's Little Shop of Horrors.
Yeah.

850
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,440
Oh yeah.
And so I was just like, this is

851
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,400
just another example of a movie
where we think a window display

852
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,080
saves the world.
Oh yeah.

853
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Yeah, saves the fate of this
small mom and pop store that is

854
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,120
17 stories high that you can
hang glide through.

855
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,600
It's fine.
Let's not cut prices.

856
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,120
Let's not, you know, make things
affordable.

857
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,560
Let's not downsize.
No, not at.

858
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,240
All let's not maybe break up the
department store, have a

859
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,320
separate sporting goods store.
Yeah, let's not renovate to make

860
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,480
it like it was.
It was the 80s instead of the

861
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,960
80s, but.
Yeah.

862
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,800
Yeah, but now?
Window display.

863
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,440
Exactly.
Yeah, I have questions, but I

864
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,240
don't, I don't, I don't want to
get bombarded with questions.

865
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,320
Favorite scenes.
Yeah.

866
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,960
So another one of my favorite
lines.

867
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,040
And this is with, oh, gosh,
James Spader.

868
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,720
This is with James Spader where
he's on the phone with a word.

869
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,440
And this I this was a line that
I remember as a kid loving this

870
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,600
line.
Richard's.

871
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,000
Richard's Where'd you learn how
to kiss butt like that?

872
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,640
What, did you take a class or
something?

873
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200
He goes.
No, Sir, it's a God-given gift.

874
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,680
And he wipes his hand with his
hair.

875
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,240
So funny.
Like that was like the best line

876
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,640
of the movie as a kid.
He's like, no Sir, it's a it's a

877
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,800
God-given gift.
It's just, oh gosh, like.

878
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,080
He could have taken offense to
it.

879
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,800
He's just like, no, no.
No, I take full credit.

880
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,080
No, no.
Oh my goodness.

881
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,560
So yeah, lots, lots of fun.
Lots of fun.

882
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,640
All right, let's talk about a
few.

883
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,840
I don't really have like scenes
for trivia.

884
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,000
I have.
You were just like random

885
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,560
trivia.
There wasn't a whole lot there.

886
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,360
I will.
I'll mention a few of these.

887
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,760
We'll put other ones in the show
notes.

888
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,200
But writer director Michael
Gottlieb is the younger brother

889
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,040
of Carl Gottlieb who Co wrote
the screenplay to Jaws and

890
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,840
actually played the reporter in
the classic movie.

891
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Interesting.
Now this I only saw in one place

892
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,520
so I I don't it, it's cool if
it's if it's true, but we'll

893
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,360
just say this is a rumor.
The scene where Jonathan and

894
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,720
Emmy were preparing the window
display using a treadmill.

895
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:43,200
Jonathan pants weren't really
supposed to be torn off by the

896
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,200
Walker, but by looking at the
scene and seeing how much the

897
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,160
camera was shaking because of
the laughter the film crew, the

898
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,040
scene was ultimately kept.
The scene was far funnier than

899
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,480
originally planned.
Scene of just turning on the

900
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,360
treadmill and actors being
delighted that everything

901
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,480
worked.
I don't think it's probably

902
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,280
shaking, but they also speed it
up in that scene too.

903
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,840
Like I don't know.
And I wonder about that day.

904
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,120
I was like, why do they speed it
up?

905
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,160
I guess to make it look faster
how it ripped off.

906
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,200
But if it was shaking, I guess
it makes it helps.

907
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,840
But I anyway, it was just a
there's a few scenes that are

908
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,960
like they like change the speed,
like when when Hollywood's

909
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,960
putting, you know, the cover on
his car, like they get speed up.

910
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,880
Yeah, I guess more for time, but
yeah, so I mentioned earlier.

911
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,920
Despite scathing reviews,
Mannequin did earn 1 Oscar

912
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,520
nomination for Best Song for
Starships.

913
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,440
Nothing's going to stop us now.
The tune became a Billboard

914
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,280
number one single by April of
87, but it ultimately lost the

915
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Academy Award Two.
I've had the time of my life

916
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,560
from Dirty Dancing, the song
that was a.

917
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,400
Good year.
Yeah, the song marked the first

918
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,680
nomination for composer and
power ballad Empress Diane

919
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,080
Warren.
She's been nominated 8 times

920
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,640
over the past three decades.
I'm sorry the past three decades

921
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,960
but has yet to win.
Unacceptable.

922
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200
It's a great song.
Like I said, I listened to it

923
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,960
on.
I went to go pick Ruby up from a

924
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,800
A practice and on the way home I
literally like slammed the car

925
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,920
into park and jumped out of the
car and just like danced around

926
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,120
the car with the song playing.
And she's just sitting in the

927
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,200
car staring at me like what are
you doing?

928
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,200
I'm like, this song is great.
She texts Laramie and she goes

929
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Dad, mama's being weird again.
I'm sure he wasn't surprised.

930
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,320
He wasn't.
All right, let's talk about box

931
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,320
office.
Mannequin opened on February

932
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,880
13th.
Yes, Valentine's Day and

933
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Presidents Day weekend 1987 in
American theaters.

934
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,400
It debuted at #3 at the box
office behind Platoon and

935
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,880
Outrageous Fortune, grossing $6
million over the four day

936
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Presidents Day weekend,
surpassing the other opener Over

937
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,880
the Top starring Sylvester
Stallone.

938
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,520
Mannequin only cost $7.9 million
to make, but it earned back

939
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,120
43,000,000, making it the 27th
biggest hit of 1987.

940
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:07,560
Nice.
And got a crummy sequel, but we

941
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,000
won't talk about that.
The only thing I remember about

942
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,680
the sequel is the opening and I
tried to watch it after I've

943
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,880
seen the first one last year and
I was just like this is not as

944
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,920
good as the original.
I just remember Hollywood being

945
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,280
in it and the paint Cadillac.
But I think that's because this

946
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,400
was that was what was on the
cover of the VHS.

947
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,080
That's really all I remembered.
But yeah, we want.

948
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,960
But it came out in the 90s, so I
don't have to talk about it.

949
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,320
So thankful.
Good for you.

950
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,040
Yeah, really.
Sometimes it works out for my

951
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,880
favor.
All right, now it's time to take

952
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080
a look at how well this 80s
flick holds up Today.

953
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,080
It's the rewatch Ability
Nostalgia meter, patent pending.

954
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,280
It's our way of measuring how
enjoyable a movie is for repeat

955
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,760
viewings, along with the waves
and nostalgia it brings.

956
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,160
Here's how it works.
It's a one to 10 scale.

957
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Any number between 1:00 and
10:00 will do, but here are a

958
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,560
few parameters to help you
decide.

959
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,440
At the bottom of the meter is a
#1, which basically means I saw

960
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,200
it once and that was enough.
Right in the middle is a #5,

961
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,320
which means it's a good rewatch
every couple of years and the

962
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,760
highly coveted at the top of the
meter at #10.

963
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,720
Highly rewatchable and full of
nostalgia.

964
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,880
Then this is might be your first
time placing something on the on

965
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,560
the meter.
I'm new to the meter.

966
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,920
It's beautiful and very
colorful.

967
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,000
I love it so much.
All right, so where does

968
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,760
Mannequin land for you on the
rewatchability and nostalgia

969
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,120
meter?
So you got to take both of those

970
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,640
things into account to give us
that number.

971
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,840
That's really so I'm going to
have to say it's like a it's

972
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:48,040
probably a solid 9.5 for me.
It's it's very rewatchable.

973
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,800
It's, it's a good, like you were
saying, it's good to just have

974
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,600
on in the background.
You don't need to follow the

975
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,080
plot.
You know the plot.

976
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,880
He falls in love with a
mannequin.

977
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:03,200
Polarity ensues.
You just have to stop long

978
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,960
enough to watch the the montage
in the middle.

979
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,480
As long as you catch that,
you're good.

980
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,120
And if you don't, you can always
rewind it.

981
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,200
And then the nostalgia of it.
I just have these vivid memories

982
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,480
of sitting on the floor in front
of my like living room

983
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,400
television, like every day just
loving this movie.

984
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,280
It's just fun.
It's silly.

985
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,760
It's it's just ridiculous.
Everything about it's just

986
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,440
ridiculous.
And it's, but it works because

987
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,240
the people who are making it
clearly are enjoying making it.

988
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,640
Yeah.
And it's fun to watch people

989
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,680
having fun.
Yeah, yeah.

990
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:51,120
Yeah, frankly, exactly.
And the chemistry was there.

991
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,040
Oh my gosh, that chemistry, like
the two of them together, just

992
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,640
the way they look at each other,
it's just everything.

993
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,640
And so yes, I'm going to say a
9.5.

994
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,920
It's just there are things in it
that do not age well.

995
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,720
Right as most 80s movies.
As most 80s movies have aged

996
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:14,320
poorly.
However, it's cute enough and it

997
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,680
doesn't take itself enough
seriously enough to where it

998
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,400
feels like there's the things
that don't age well are icky, if

999
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,400
that makes sense.
Right.

1000
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,520
Yeah.
So yeah, they're still achy

1001
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,760
things, but it's like, yeah, OK,
but this is also a movie about a

1002
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,960
mannequin coming to life, so.
Right.

1003
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,440
I mean, the movie starts in
Egypt with her wrapping herself

1004
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,360
up as a mummy, you know, to not
marry whoever, you know.

1005
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,280
But the dumb, the dumb murder,
Yeah, whatever.

1006
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,080
So yeah, that, that from that is
like, and I think it was the

1007
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,040
subtitles like several years ago
right after lunch like that,

1008
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,200
that right there lets you know
what this movie is like, you

1009
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,400
know, from the 1st 30 seconds.
And then of course, and I want

1010
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,480
to mention this really the
cartoon intro, which was always

1011
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,720
fun of an 80s movie.
Like kind of it kind of once

1012
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,520
again, it's letting you know
this is going to be a cartoon

1013
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,960
movie.
Like even though it's not

1014
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,640
animated, what you're going to
see after this, this ends, this

1015
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,040
cart actual cartoon ends is
still a cartoon, just with

1016
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,240
humans acting out what a cartoon
should do.

1017
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,560
Some of these human beings may
be from Who Framed Roger Rabbit,

1018
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,600
and they are actually tuned
right in the real world.

1019
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Logic does not exist in this
movie.

1020
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,640
Yeah.
So for me, it's very high on the

1021
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,280
nostalgia meter because I
remember seeing it so many times

1022
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,560
as a kid.
Like I said, it's something me

1023
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,320
and my sister watched together
and we talked about a lot and

1024
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,840
just, you know, enjoyed it.
The song is one of the best ever

1025
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,920
rewatch ability.
That's where it kind of gets

1026
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,240
tricky because it's a one I
haven't seen a lot.

1027
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,200
But like I said, now that I own
it, I'll probably watch it more.

1028
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,040
So I'm going to go 8.5, which is
still, you know, I think fairly

1029
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,400
high and still a decent a decent
rank on the meter.

1030
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,480
So 8.5 for me, 9.5 for you,
which I think is still let you

1031
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,600
know it's a great movie to watch
and rewatch.

1032
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,440
It's highly rewatchable, so
we'll go with that.

1033
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,640
But yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it.
Thank you for making me watch it

1034
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,840
again today.
I was so excited.

1035
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,640
You're welcome.
I was like you, you had already

1036
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,760
messaged me and you're like,
hey, we still good for it.

1037
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,880
And I was like, yes, yes, we
are.

1038
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,200
Yeah, and that's kind of why I
messaged you early enough.

1039
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,440
I was like, OK, if she hasn't
watched it yet, I want to make

1040
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,800
sure she has time to watch it.
And the good thing is it's not

1041
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,600
long anyway.
Like I, I literally like I want

1042
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:37,880
so I won't put this on the
podcast.

1043
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,760
Like I, I actually went to my
dad's watch the Falcons game

1044
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,000
till the end for whatever reason
why I want to watch them lose,

1045
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,320
but but watch the game and then
came home, put the movie on, had

1046
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,280
plenty of time to watch the
movie in and uninterrupted and

1047
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,280
then do my notes.
Thankfully, there was a whole

1048
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,400
lot, you know, there wasn't a
whole lot of back story.

1049
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,720
So it was, it was a, it was a
easy like 1 to watch and prepare

1050
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,160
for the podcast because it's a
fun watch to watch and it's

1051
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,720
short and it's just enjoyable.
So it was fresh on my brain.

1052
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,280
But because honestly, I, I
thought we were recording this

1053
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,080
next weekend, but I forgot that
I'd done a bonus episode for

1054
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Halloween.
So this comes out this Friday.

1055
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,640
But anyway.
Nice.

1056
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,480
All right, well, let us know
where you think Mannequin should

1057
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,840
rank on the rewatch ability
nostalgia meter for you.

1058
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,280
You can send us an e-mail, reach
out to us on social media, or

1059
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,960
you can leave us a comment right
here on YouTube if that's where

1060
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,040
you're watching the podcast this
week.

1061
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,080
Thank you, Bethany, so much for
being a part of the podcast.

1062
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,080
Always a pleasure to have you on
the show and glad we are going

1063
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,160
to watch this movie and and talk
about it.

1064
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,360
Well, well past due, but glad we
got to it.

1065
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,200
Thanks for having me, thanks for
letting me be the one to talk to

1066
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,040
you about it.
It's just so fun.

1067
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,360
I think I'm like tempted to go
back upstairs and watch it

1068
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,800
again.
It's just fun.

1069
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,880
Yeah, that's the kind of the bad
thing because it's because I

1070
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,120
have it on on Blu-ray.
It's not one that I can just

1071
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,720
pull up on like Voodoo or that
can stream.

1072
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,040
OK.
This would be one of those

1073
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,440
movies like I'd put on every
night to fall asleep to, like

1074
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,520
just to be in a good mood.
Like right now I'm just watching

1075
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,920
reruns of The Big Bang Theory
because Theory because it makes

1076
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,120
me laugh and.
Says comfort watches.

1077
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,760
Yeah, exactly.
So nothing too serious, just

1078
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,680
just just.
Vibes.

1079
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,200
Yeah, just falling asleep
laughing so.

1080
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:18,960
Yeah.
I will.

1081
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,240
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1082
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,880
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1083
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1084
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,480
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1085
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1086
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1087
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,920
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1088
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,760
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1089
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,720
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