#145 - "Red Dawn" (1984) with Chris Adams

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When people ask me what I
remember about the 80s, my

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typical answer is that it was a
lot of fun, but also a little

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scary.
The scary part comes from

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memories of seeing the cover of
multiple Time and Newsweek

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magazines fearing that America
might go to war with Russia.

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It didn't help that the Russians
were often portrayed as the

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default villains in movies, TV
shows, and even WWF matches.

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Then there was this 80s flick.
A group of high school students

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calling themselves Wolverines
retreat into the wilderness

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after Soviet paratroopers
descend on their small Colorado

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town.
The Wolverines managed to launch

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an armed insurgency against the
communist invaders while also

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dealing with their own personal
trauma, fears, and the end of

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their adolescence.
Featuring a talented young cast

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before they became stars, it
remains A nostalgic classic for

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80 kids just like us.
So jump in the back of Jed's

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pickup truck, count your
remaining RPG's, and head to the

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mountains as Chris Adams and I
discuss Red Dawn from 1984 on

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this episode of the 80s Flick
Flashback Podcast.

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Well, welcome to the 80s flick
flashback podcast everybody.

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I am your host Tim Williams
Tonight I knew I needed someone

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to help me analyze this
invasion.

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I need a Co host who wouldn't
quit.

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A true patriot of cinema.
Please give a warm welcome to a

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true Wolverine.
Chris Adams from retro life for

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you podcast.
How you doing Chris?

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America.
America.

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I'm doing good.
And how are you doing tonight?

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I'm good, man.
I'm excited to talk about Red

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Dawn.
This is one that I have wanted

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to cover probably since the
podcast started.

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And I don't know why I kept
putting it off, but I'm so glad

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that I'm doing it and I'm glad
I'm doing it now.

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And I've really, I really
enjoyed rewatching it.

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I've, I mean, I, I, I've
rewatched a lot, but I think

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watching it, I watched a lot
just to watch it.

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But today, watching it again for
the podcast, I really wanted to

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like kind of take it all in and
I kind of saw it on some

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different levels than maybe I
didn't see it before.

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So we'll definitely get into
that.

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But let's jump right in.
When did you see Red Dawn for

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the first time?
Was this a theater or a rental

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or cable?
TVI want to say this was a

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rental.
I do believe it was a rental.

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I remember seeing it advertised.
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Didn't make it to the theater to
watch it.

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It's definitely a rental.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't see this

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one in the theater either.
I think this was definitely one

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that we waited and saw on video.
And I don't even think that my

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parents, I don't think this is
what I watch with my parents.

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I think this was one like
spending the night of a friend's

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house, you know, the the the
following summer and, you know,

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their parents rented it from the
from Blockbuster or whatever.

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And, and we all watched it.
I remember watching it with my

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friends.
I don't ever remember watching

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this one like with my family,
but fell in love with it from

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the very beginning.
Mean gosh, they're so like we're

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going to get to iconic scenes.
Like there's so many iconic

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scenes that just flood me with
the nostalgia.

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But when was the last time you
watched it before we watching it

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for the podcast?
You know you covered it on your

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podcast, haven't you?
I have, but it's been gosh, year

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and a half ago, possibly when I
when I did cover it, but I've

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watched it even after that.
I think I did a double feature.

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I I watched the original and
then I watched the reimagine

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version.
We'll see.

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Yeah, yeah.
Now that I did watch the remake

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in theaters, I saw it late when
I came out in theaters.

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I actually liked it when I saw
it in the theater, even though

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it was very different from the
from the original.

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I mean, there's certain parts
that are the same, but it's a

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very different, very different
movie than this.

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Yeah.
I mean, you have to kind of pay

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some homage to the original, but
you got to make it your own as

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well, though.
Yeah, yeah.

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So, but I've, I actually, I
bought the, I have a, did the

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digital 2 pack grab the original
and the remake together?

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But then I just recently bought
the Blu-ray of the original.

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So that's what I want.
That's what I used to watch it

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for the podcast.
But but yeah, but I've, I've

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seen it.
I've, I know I've seen in the

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last five years, but I've
probably watched it three or

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four times in the last probably
10 to 15 years.

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Like I've it, it's one that I'll
throw in maybe not every year,

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but like I want to watch it
every like other year, every

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couple of years, so.
If I see it on TV going through

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channels, I always stop, Yeah,
I'm not going to go past it.

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Yeah.
And I have noticed it more on

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like AMC or like some of the
like the basic cable channels

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with the commercials.
I've seen it on there quite,

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quite a lot more frequently.
The last probably two or three

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years, probably because of the
you kind of when when the

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Ukraine invasion happened, it
really became very popular

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again.
So I know I watched it again

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then.
Yeah, when when they came out

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when that was going down.
So but yeah, let's so start.

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Let's jump into story, origin
and pre production.

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All of this I learned this time
watching it, which is weird

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because typically when I watch a
movie, I will go into IMDb and

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read the tree, which you know,
trivia and preproduction are not

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always the same.
But a lot of this I didn't know.

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So I thought this was pretty,
pretty interesting.

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So it began with a script called
10 Soldiers written by Kevin

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Reynolds.
You may recognize that name

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because he became a very popular
director with Kevin Costner.

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He directed Robin Hood Prince of
Thieves, which is one of my

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favorites.
So the vision was a modest

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taught anti war film, a sort of
Lord of the Flies set against

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the backdrop of a guerrilla
conflict.

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It was championed by producer
Barry Beckerman and MGM

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executive Peter Bart, who saw
its potential as a small thought

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provoking picture.
But in the halls of MGMA,

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different idea was taking shape.
The studio, The studio chiefs

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saw something else.
Instead of a poignant little

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anti war movie, why not make a
teen Rambo their man for the

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job, John Milius, the
screenwriter of Apocalypse Now.

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Milius was a filmmaker famously
rejected from military service

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in Vietnam due to his asthma, an
event he said caused him to

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quote, UN quote, be obsessed
with war ever since.

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He was actually the inspiration
for John Goodman's character in

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The Big Lebowski and was known
to carry a loaded pistol.

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On set to reshape the script,
Milius found an unlikely

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collaborator, General Alexander
Haig, a former Nixon chief of

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staff and a member of MGM board.
Together at a conservative think

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tank, they devised a chilling
back story for the invasion,

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drawing on Cold War anxieties,
the collapse of NATO, and even

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Hitler's proposed plans to
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The story transformed.
The conflict shifted from the

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teens versus each other to the
teens versus their oppressors.

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The once $6 million art film saw
its budget nearly triple.

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Melius however saw it in
different saw it differently,

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later claiming it was quote UN
quote an anti war movie in the

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sense that if both sides could
see this, maybe it wouldn't have

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to happen.
With the studio rushing for a

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summer release, Milius had
little time to prepare.

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But for the cast, preparation
was non negotiable.

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The young actors were put
through an intensive 8 week

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military training course run by
the legendary advisor Captain

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Dale Dye, the same man who would
later forged the cast of Platoon

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and Saving Private Ryan.
For one actor, Charlie Sheen, it

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was an introduction he would see
again just two years later in

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the jungles of Platoon.
So of course we talked about

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Dale Dye and Charlie Sheen and
Platoon, which is kind of wild

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knowing that I watched Platoon a
couple years like maybe a year

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and a half ago and then watching
it now and knowing like there

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was really was only like 2 years
difference between these two

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movies.
But he's playing such a

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different type of character so
which I think is pretty cool.

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So how much of that did you know
before going into this?

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I knew about the movie, the
original title and everything.

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I remember that from covering it
before.

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The only other thing, everything
else you mentioned, I don't

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really recall reading about
that.

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So that's that's cool
information to know.

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Yeah.
And then it's funny because when

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I saw Emilius's name, I was
like, I know that sounds

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familiar, but he directed Conan
the Barbarian, which we just

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covered, you know, earlier this
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So I was in.
That kind of helped me like

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watching the movie, I could see
some definite director

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similarities there.
So it was kind of cool knowing

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that he was the one that that
directed it and Co wrote it to.

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I didn't realize he had Co
written Apocalypse now.

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But and it's funny because I did
watch one of the behind the

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scenes things on the Blu-ray
where interviews him, Charlie

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Sheen, Patrick Swayze, Leah
Thompson, Powers Booth, I think

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and see Thomas Howell.
So it was cool kind of here

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again, from his own words about
how much he really wanted to

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make the movie.
And, you know, he was like, you

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know, I have very leftist
ideals, but I'm also very

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conservative in some areas, some
kind of a contradiction in

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terms, which I think was kind of
good because, yeah, there are a

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lot of articles where like they
feel like it's a very much, you

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know, right wing, not propaganda
film, but very right wing, you

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know, guns, patriotism, all that
kind of stuff.

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That's like in a kind of the the
Reagan era, which it was.

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But it also does have like some
very even keel like show like

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giving us the the Cuban leader,
like his contradiction or his

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conflict of emotional conflict
of like, you know, he's been

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there for a while then starting
to realize, are they really

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making a difference?
Is this something he wants to

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continue?
Which I think even as a kid, not

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really understanding a lot of
the politics of it, just, you

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know, like I said, like like a
kid just excited to see other

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teenagers are, you know, kids
are older than me at that point,

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but teenagers, you know, having
to fight for their their country

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and avenging their parents death
and all that kind of stuff.

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But I remember that scene at the
end with the with the the Cuban

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guy writing the letter and
remember that being like, oh

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wow.
Like it's not a villain that I'm

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used to where it's just like the
with the mustache twirling

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villain that's all evil.
Like he was human as well.

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So that I the ending always
stuck out to me as not just

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being this, you know, the bad
guy gets killed at the end with

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the two real bad guys get
killed.

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But I like that his life was
spared and that he spared.

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Spoiler alert, you know, he
spared killing right then and

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there, Jed and and Matt at the
end.

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So I'll let you talk now.
No, I mean, you definitely, you

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definitely see his human side
for sure when you listen to him

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reading the letter that he's
right.

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I guess he's, he's writing the
letter, right.

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He's just reading it.
And it's just, it's just a voice

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over.
He just kind of letting me know

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what he's putting in the letter
and then I guess sending back to

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his wife and everything, how he
doesn't want to be a part of all

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this anymore and wants to be
back with her again.

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And then starts hearing gunshots
and everything going off.

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And he runs outside and, you
know, and like you said, he he

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sees Jed come through.
He's carrying Matt in his arms.

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You can see that he's been shot
and you see Matt's been shot.

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The guy looks at him, just tells
him, motions for him to go on,

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tells him by a candidos, you
know, hit the road, Jack, you

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know, whatever you go on.
Then he just kind of throws his

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gun down.
You know, he's had enough of it.

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You know, it's it's really eaten
up at him to the point to where

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he doesn't want any part of the
battle anymore.

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And that's that's that's a good
thing to see in him.

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I was really glad to see it all
the other two and kid, what was

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coming to him.
Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah.

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So yeah.
So let's let's jump into

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casting.
We've got a pretty robust cast.

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But like I said in the intro,
this was a lot.

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But, you know, a lot of these
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Well, not unknowns, but like
before, they really were famous.

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I mean, at the time hit their
hit, their fame, yeah.

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Yeah, at the time they may have
had one or two under their belt

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at the most.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Like, I think the only one, like
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probably, I was probably aware
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I'd seen The Outsiders.
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wouldn't have recognized until
like the following year, Leah

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Thompson, I wouldn't have known
about Jennifer Grey until Dirty

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Dancing.
Kind of the same with Patrick

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Swayze, Carly Sheen, of course,
you know, a couple years later,

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but.
I can't remember the order in

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which thing came out I guess,
but as far as Patrick Swayze

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goes, wasn't he in soggy bottom
USI?

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Don't know, like that's that's a
movie that I know I saw as a

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kid, but I don't know your
grand.

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You're thinking of Grandview.
USA, right?

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Yes, Grandview USA.
That's when I started roller

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skating.
Started correct myself.

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He was in that.
No, it wasn't roller skating.

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I I thought it had something do
with racing of some sort.

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Jamie Lee Curtis was in it.
C Thomas Howe was in it too, I

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think, wasn't he?
Yeah, I think so.

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I know which we, I've never seen
it, but I, I well, maybe, but I

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think there's a scene that I've
seen of him in it where he's on

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a he's in a roller skating rink.
So I don't really know what it's

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about.
But yeah, they came out the same

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year, but it was not as well
known as this is so.

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I know I almost said Youngblood.
That's where I blow.

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Yeah, well, Patrick Swayze,
isn't that too?

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OK, well, there we go.
Yeah, so young that was, I

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think.
That was I think that was 85

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though.
I think it was the year after

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that that.
Was my next question.

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Was it before or after?
Because I couldn't, I wasn't

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sure the timeline.
Yeah, gotcha.

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So, all right, we're talking
about Patrick Swayze.

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Let's start with him for cast.
Of course, he received

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recognition for acting in the
drama film The Outsiders in 83,

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so I guess I had seen Don't
Forget.

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I always forget that he's in The
Outsiders but he wasn't the main

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characters.
He was the the older brother,

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right?
Yeah, Outsiders 83, the

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miniseries North and South from
85 to 86.

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His breakthrough came with the
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Dancing at 87, and he rose to
further prominence in action

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films like Roadhouse in 89 and
Point Break in 1991.

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Evio Estevez was actually
originally cast as Jed, but had

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to drop out due to other filming
commitments.

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This was the second of two films
that Swayze made with John

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Milius, the other being Uncommon
Valor in 1983.

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Now I do remember seeing that,
but he'd once again, he has a

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very small role in that.
Like he's, he's in it, but he's

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not like the main actor in that.
That's a that's another really,

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really good 80s movie I haven't
covered yet.

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One thing I thought was fun that
I read that John Milius knew

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what he had in Patrick Swayze
and used him to get the rest of

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the young actors in line.
As Swayze recalled on the

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documentary I actually watched,
he's Swayze said Milis is a very

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intense director.
He's a very wonderful director.

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I love the man, but we had to
call him the general and he

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called me and he says, Swayze,
you're my Lieutenant of the art.

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I'm directing these little
suckers through you.

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So he put a lot of
responsibility on my shoulders

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and I took it really seriously.
And I do know that like in for

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the documentary, like even Leah
Thompson says, you know, he was

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probably the most established of
the actors.

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And so they did kind of lean on
him and kind of, you know, look

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to him for a lot of support and
direction.

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But he all, but I think Swayze's
recollection of it was it didn't

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make him pop.
It didn't make him very popular

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or well liked a lot of the time
because he was kind of giving

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all the notes instead of the
director.

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So right.
You know something else you'll

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get to, you'll get to it in just
a minute, but kind of stand kind

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of stands out.
But this, you know, you

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mentioned C Thomas Howell as
well as Patrick Swayze being in

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the Outsiders.
Yeah, we got one more coming up

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that was in the Outsiders as
well.

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Yeah, we'll get to him.
So let's continue with that

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theme.
See, Thomas Howell is Robert

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Morris after making his film
debut with a sporting role in ET

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the Extraterrestrial in 82.
He has breakout role with

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Ponyboy Curtis in the coming of
age film The Outsiders in 83.

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Following his breakout, he
started head starring roles and

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Tank in 84, which you know, you
covered on your podcast.

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Love that movie.
Yeah.

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Grandview USA, like you
mentioned before, 84.

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I'll say that.
Yeah. 84 saying your secret

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admirer in 85 The Hitcher in 86.
His lead role in the

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commercially successful yet
controversial film Soul Man in

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1986 damaged his status as a
leading man in Hollywood.

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But he did teach the rest of the
cast how to ride horses, Leah

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Thompson said.
He was definitely like the

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cowboy of the group.
So he has a movie he did later

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on.
This is not in your wheelhouse.

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I believe you just do.
You just do 80s right?

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Just 80s?
Yep.

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Yeah, He had one that I liked.
I believe it was probably early

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90s or 1990 or something like
that, but it's called Side Out.

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Actually it's 1990.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm, I'm, I'm familiar with that
one.

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I've seen it.
And I I did like that one quite

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a bit, but nowhere near as good
as his role in Red Dawn.

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So let's see.
And then I did like this.

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See, Thomas Howell said in USA
TODAY in 2012 that he he hears

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someone scream Wolverines to him
at least twice a twice a week in

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real life.
He said about 40 times a day

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through Twitter.
He said in real life he doesn't

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shout back.
But on Twitter I cannot help

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typing a Wolverine with a few
exclamation points on it, which

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I thought was great.
All right, so look, I know you

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and I both met him at the Comic
Con.

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We did.
We did.

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Now did you?
Ask him anything about that

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Wolverine bit.
I don't honest.

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I was trying to remember like
what I talked to him about when

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I was there and I honestly, I
can't remember.

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I mean, I know I told him like I
was a fan.

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I loved, you know, a lot of his
80s movies that I remembered.

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I remember mentioning Outsiders,
Red Dawn, a secret admirer, I

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don't think I really didn't get
to talk to him for very long,

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not as long as I kind of wanted
to.

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But but he was still, he was
very a great guy.

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You know, it was a good
encounter.

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So no.
Doubt.

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I wanted to ask him about the
red, about The Wolverine thing

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and I, I thought better of it.
I thought he's probably heard it

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a million times and does not
want to hear one more time

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anybody say Wolverine to him.
So instead I asked him.

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I said, did you see the remake
by any chance?

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Well, I remember you telling me
that.

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Yeah, Yeah.
He's he's as he goes.

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No, didn't look at it.
I said, well, you didn't miss a

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whole lot.
Don't worry.

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I want to be cool about it.
At least, you know, I mean, I

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did lie.
I did like it.

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I won't lie.
But I mean, it's, you know,

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wasn't as good as the originals.
No, no, I did think this is

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cool.
I loved his Star Wars cap that

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he wears early in the movie and
I always wanted one like it.

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But that was actually John
Milius idea as a nod to his

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friend George Lucas.
So I thought that was pretty

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cool.
Then little, little little

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homage there.
Then we got Leah Thompson as

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Erica.
She's best known for her roles

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as Lorraine Baines, McFly and
Back to the Future film trilogy.

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We've covered.
She was also on Howard the Duck

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we've covered.
She was in some kind of

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wonderful 87.
Other films with which she has

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known include All the Right
Moves, which we've covered,

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Dennis the Menace in 93 and The
Beverly Hillburys in 93.

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Leah Thompson's great.
She's still active, still in the

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business, still acting.
She's got a show on Hallmark

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right now that my wife is
watching, and she's been doing

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some directing.
Like we're big fans of the show.

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Will Trent and her husband,
Howard Deutsch.

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Deutsch, I guess you guys say
it.

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Howie Deutsch, He's like one of
the executive producers and

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directed like the first, like a
lot of he directed a couple of

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episodes the first season, and
then she's directed a few

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episodes since then.
So yeah, big fan of Leah

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Thompson.
Yeah, lecture and space camp

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too.
Yes, yes, absolutely.

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Which I've covered on the
podcast so.

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And I want to, darn it.
I want to.

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I haven't got to yet.
Well, you, you have to.

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All you have to do is ask me
because I'll, I'll be ready to

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watch it.
I've got the Blu-ray.

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I don't don't think it won't be
hitting you up soon then.

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If anything, it'll be an extra.
There you go.

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Yeah.
The funny thing with this was

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typically like here recently,
I've not been like, like I'll

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mention an actor, but if we've
covered it on somebody else on

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a, on a previous podcast, I
won't do their filmography.

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But most of these we've talked
about already and I was like, I

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can't just skip over them.
So I just try to make a very

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brief.
So on to another one we've

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covered already.
Charlie Sheen is Matt.

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He followed in the footsteps of
his father, Martin Sheen, and

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becoming an actor.
He started many successful films

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such as Platoon, which we
covered in 86, Wall Street 87,

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Eight Men Out in 88, Young Guns
in 88, which we've covered Major

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League in 89, which we've
covered Hot Shots, The Three

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Musketeers in 93, another
favorite of mine, and their

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rival in 96.
I did not realize that this was

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actually Charlie Sheen's future
feature film debut.

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I didn't realize it was his very
first movie because I know he's

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in the Wraith, but I don't know
if that came out the same year.

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I'm not, I'm not sure I.
Just I just thought of that

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actually.
I can definitely find out real

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quick.
I I'm really big into it.

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I I love his cameo in Ferris
Bueller.

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Yes.
He has where does, Speaking of,

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you know, another cast member
you'll get to in a minute as

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well.
But I love his cameo when

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they're what he plays in that
and everything.

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He has an uncredited movie thing
on 74 called The Execution of

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Private Slavic.
And then Red Dawn is Matt Eckerd

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in 84 being his first, I guess
real movie debut.

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OK, when did the Wraith come
out?

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Same.
Year Wraith to see Red Dawn was

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84.
The Wraith came out in 86.

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Wow, OK.
So his his.

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So his cameo in Ferris Bueller
and his role in Lucas was all in

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86 as well as the TV series
Amazing Stories, yeah.

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Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, he was.

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I think he was.
I think he was coming off the

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Wraith when he started filming
Platoon.

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Now that I going back to that
episode I remember talking

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about.
That yes, because the platoon

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also in 86 wisdom in 86 the life
in the day is a short film in 86

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he stayed busy in 1986 to.
Say the least.

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Yeah.
I mean, Platoon was really his

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breakout role and that's where
it really he really started

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getting a lot of momentum from
that.

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All right, moving down the line,
we got Darren Dalton as Darrell

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after Red Dawn.
His for his first made for

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television movie was Brotherhood
of Justice in 86 as a rebellious

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teenager and he appeared in a
short lived TV ensemble drama

445
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,080
The best Times in 85.
He had TV guest appearances in

446
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,880
the late 80s on Hwy. to Heaven,
Quantum Leap, Alien Nation and

447
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,600
his General Custer on Doctor
Quinn, Medicine Woman.

448
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,800
So that's Darrell Dalton.
And let's not forget what was

449
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,680
one of his earlier films, The
Outsiders.

450
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,880
Oh, he was not OK.
That was the one.

451
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,640
The outsiders.
OK, I knew he was in there, but

452
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,840
I just didn't.
I didn't have him on notes.

453
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,560
So sorry about that.
Yeah, I missed that one.

454
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,480
That's what I told you I kind of
touched on earlier.

455
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,800
I said you'll talk about it in a
minute.

456
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,440
Yeah, yeah.
So then we got Jennifer Grey as

457
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,120
Tony.
She made her acting debut with

458
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:02,200
the film Reckless in 84, had her
breakthrough with the teen

459
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,640
comedy film fare Spueller's Day
Off in 86, and of course, she

460
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,600
earned worldwide fame starring
as Frances Baby Houseman in the

461
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,840
romantic drama film Dirty
Dancing in 87, which earned her

462
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,120
a Golden Globe Award nomination.
It's no surprise, it's very well

463
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:19,520
known that her and Swayze did
not get along on this movie at

464
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,920
all.
There was even in the original

465
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,320
script that was supposed to be
like a they're supposed to have

466
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,680
this romantic relationship in
the movie.

467
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,440
That didn't, didn't work because
they didn't get along.

468
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,160
It's kind of alluded to a little
bit and her death scenes.

469
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,480
Spoiler alert.
But, and of course, they, you

470
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,320
know, they didn't, they never,
they really never thought they

471
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,880
were going to be in another
movie together.

472
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,520
And then Dirty Dancing happened.
So you can listen to our episode

473
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,280
on Dirty Dancing to hear all the
tidbits about that one.

474
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Listen to the older episodes.
Yeah, there you go.

475
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,680
They're still good.
They're still great.

476
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,240
Not on video and not edited as
well, and I didn't have

477
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,440
professional microphones anyway.
Still still great.

478
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Hey, I started with what I had,
started with what I had.

479
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,360
Next on the list, we got Brad
Savage as Danny.

480
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,560
While known for Red Dawn, Savage
also appeared in many TV shows

481
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,240
in the 70s and 80s, including
Salem's Lot, Chips Mork and

482
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,720
Mindy, Emergency Fantasy Island,
and my favorite, The Love Boat.

483
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,160
Because if you were star of the
70s and 80s, you were on an

484
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,960
episode of The Love Boat at some
point.

485
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,440
Pretty much.
Yeah, and then we've got Doug.

486
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,560
Toby as Aardvark, as he's listed
in the credits.

487
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,960
Mondragon.
I don't have anything about his

488
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,880
filmography.
This is really the only thing

489
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,680
he's known for.
But I didn't want to leave him

490
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:37,880
completely out.
And then Powers Booth as

491
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,840
Lieutenant Colonel Andrew
Tanner, United States Air Force

492
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,520
with his thick sub Texas accent,
known for his performance as

493
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Curly Bill in the western
Tombstone 93 with what I've

494
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,800
known the most for most from and
Alexander Haig and historical

495
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,400
drama Nixon in 95.
Other notable films include

496
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,880
Southern Comfort in 81, Blue Sky
in 94, Sudden Death in 95,

497
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,960
Frailty in 2001, in Sin City in
2005.

498
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Rapid fires, Yeah, there's a
rapid fire in there.

499
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Oh yeah, yeah, that was.
Was that Brandon Lee?

500
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,840
Yeah, OK, sure enough, I got
that one right.

501
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,000
All right, good.
So, yeah, I like towers booting

502
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,200
this.
I mean, I there's if you listen

503
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,600
to some of his or read some of
his interviews, he wasn't as

504
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,800
happy but with with the final
product because the way his

505
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,640
character was written originally
was was a little bit more

506
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,680
nuanced and had more depth than
he felt like.

507
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,360
He really didn't.
It didn't come across as well as

508
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,120
he would have liked, but but I I
still like it even when I

509
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,360
rewatched it today, I thought
like it was enough.

510
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,920
He came in at the right.
This character came in at the

511
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,600
right time and I think he lasted
long enough.

512
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,040
I wish there was a few more
scenes of him kind of teaching

513
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,360
them some things, which I think
is where the movie and we're

514
00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:00,400
kind of going to get into it too
much, but where the movie kind

515
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,960
of falters and why it's not What
we would consider a great movie

516
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,680
storytelling wise is there's a
lot of things in the battles

517
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,560
that just don't make sense.
Like, I don't know where they

518
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,480
keep getting their weapons from
because you never see them like

519
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,240
raiding anywhere or like you
know, where they're getting

520
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,800
ammunition, any of that kind of
stuff.

521
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,520
So there's a few holes in this
movie that they don't really

522
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,920
explain.
You just got to make up your

523
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,120
own.
You don't think about it like

524
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,960
them walking into town under no
pressure.

525
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,320
Yeah.
Yeah.

526
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,400
Stash their weapons and walk
straight into town like

527
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,080
nothing's ever happened.
They don't have you tell me they

528
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,360
don't have people at the
perimeter of the towns watching

529
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,120
for things.
Yeah, they're supposedly being

530
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:40,920
looked for.
Right.

531
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,320
But the right.
Right.

532
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,560
The soldier in the drugstore on
the second story looking down at

533
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,360
him doesn't say Yeah, And they
look right at him.

534
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,280
Right.
It's not that big.

535
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Yeah, it's not that big of a
town.

536
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,040
And I'm sure they they've, you
know, looked at everybody in the

537
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,760
towns.
When you see three new faces

538
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,560
obviously show up, that's going
to raise some red flags.

539
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,560
And then outside the RE
education camp when they're

540
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,960
talking to the father through
the.

541
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Fence.
No, Yeah, no, there's no guards

542
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,480
walking along the fence.
No perimeter.

543
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,400
They get on.
I mean so.

544
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,800
You're going to make up your
own, your own decisions of

545
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,720
what's going on and what's not
to some of these things.

546
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,320
But I mean, yeah, it's a movie.
Yeah, it's still great.

547
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,120
I still loved it.
Now are you going to are you

548
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,280
going to mention anybody else
actor wise?

549
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560
Yes, I've got a few, a few, a
few more here.

550
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,080
All right, so we got Harry Dean
Stanton, which is really a cameo

551
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,000
more than more than less.
I was hoping, I was hoping you'd

552
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,520
bring him up because yeah, I had
no idea that was him.

553
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,040
Oh, really?
Yes, I did not know that.

554
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,680
Yeah.
His A career spanned more than

555
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,880
six decades.
He played supporting roles in

556
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,640
films including Cool Hand Luke
in 67, Kelly's Heroes in 70,

557
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Dillinger in 73, The Godfather
Part 2 in 74, of course, Alien

558
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,640
79, Escape from New York in 81,
Christina 83, Repo Man 84, One

559
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,280
Magic Christmas 85, Pretty in
Pink 86.

560
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,120
I can go on and on and on.
He's in a ton of movies.

561
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,400
Just trust me on that.
I mean, I've I've still got a

562
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,920
huge list behind that, but I'm.
Looking at his picture and

563
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,760
you're the first thing that
comes to mind when I see his

564
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,200
picture is fire down below in
the green mile.

565
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,760
Yeah, the Green Mile is one of
my favorites that he's in for.

566
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,080
Sure.
Walking the mile.

567
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Yep, Yep.
But fire down below, though,

568
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,920
he's, he's playing the little
town.

569
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,520
He's not the town drunk or
anything, but I mean, he's the

570
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,720
one that gossips, I guess, or
something, you know, He's, yeah,

571
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:33,360
paying attention to everything
going on and telling and stuff.

572
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,600
But yeah, I didn't know that it
was him as Tom Eckerd, though.

573
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,080
It did.
It never clicked with me.

574
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,080
Yeah, once again, it's he's just
that.

575
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,760
He's just in that one scene.
It's very much like a cameo

576
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,760
scene that he's there.
So Ron O'Neill as Colonel and

577
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,320
Ernesto Bello, the Cumin
Revolutionary Army.

578
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,760
He's best known as Superfly from
the 70s blaxploitation movies,

579
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,800
but I thought he was great in
this.

580
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,040
William Smith is Colonel Strill,
the Colonikov.

581
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,080
There you go.
Shonikov.

582
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
He had prominent roles in films
like Any Which Way You Can in

583
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,480
80, Conan the Barbarian 82 and
Rumble Fish in 83.

584
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Vladic Shabal as General
Brechenko, the Soviet Army.

585
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,840
I don't have anything on him at
all, but he definitely looked

586
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,720
like a Russian general that you
would expect to see in one of

587
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,480
these movies.
I had to mention Frank McRae as

588
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,560
Mr. Teasdale.
He's the teacher at the

589
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,480
beginning that gets like the
first casualty of the movie.

590
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,440
He was a defensive tackle for
the Chicago Bears in the 1967

591
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,400
NFL season.
Among his acting roles are bank

592
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240
robber Reed Youngblood and
Dillinger in 73 we mentioned

593
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,440
with Harry Dean Stanton.
He was the shouting police

594
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,440
captain in 48 Hours and 82, a
role he later parodied and Last

595
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Action Hero 93 and Loaded Weapon
1 and 93 as well.

596
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,520
He was James Bond's friend
Sharkey and License to Kill 99.

597
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,520
He was also in batteries not
including 87.

598
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,360
He appeared with Sylvester
Stallone in Fist in 78, Paradise

599
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,840
Alley in 78, Rocky 2 in 79, and
Lock Up in 89.

600
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,840
He was also the protective
trucker in The Wizard in 1989.

601
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,840
Frank McRae.
I mean that that's not a name

602
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,080
that I would recognize, but
anytime I see him, I know

603
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,720
exactly.
Who he is and his.

604
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,840
Very distinctive voice as well,
like, you know, him walking out

605
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,320
to the soldiers.
I mean, once again, another

606
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520
iconic scene like that.
Lockup stood out to me the most.

607
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,000
Yeah, yeah, I love lockup.
That's not a good one.

608
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Haven't covered yet.
And then the last one I'll

609
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,960
mention is Lane Smith as Mayor
Bates.

610
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,720
Once again, another cameo.
He's only in like 2 scenes.

611
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,920
Well known roles include
newspaper editor Perry White in

612
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,560
the AB series, Lewis and Clark,
The Adventures of Superman.

613
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,720
He was also in the 1984 NBCTV
Series V.

614
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,000
He was Coach Jack Riley and the
Mighty Ducks District Attorney

615
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,560
Jim Trotter and My Cousin Vinny,
which is of course what I

616
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,680
remember knowing most from US
Congressman Dick Dodge and

617
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,560
Distinguished Gentleman with a
Richard, not Richard Pryor,

618
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Eddie Murphy In 1990, I think he
was Grantland Rice in The Legend

619
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,360
of Bagger Vance and U.S.
President Richard Nixon in the

620
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,720
final days for which he received
a Golden Globe Award nomination.

621
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,960
But.
You know where you know where

622
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,880
else I know him from?
I mean what you said, My Cousin

623
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,720
Vinny, for one.
But the other one that stands

624
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,080
out also is the Pauly Shore
movie.

625
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,720
Oh, son-in-law keeps calling him
crotch instead of crotch.

626
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
He was the dad and son-in-law.

627
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,760
I completely forgot about that.
But yeah, yeah, yeah.

628
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,240
That's probably the that's the
one that I would remember.

629
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,960
But I've seen My Cousin Vinny a
lot more recently than I've seen

630
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,440
son-in-law.
But son in law's funny.

631
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,120
I you know, Pauly Shore is, you
know, he's kind of like the Adam

632
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,720
he was the Adam Sandler of his
time.

633
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,000
He's it's a you know what you're
going to get.

634
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,600
He plays the same character
every time.

635
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,600
But I've, I've rewatched
son-in-law in the last probably

636
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,440
2 years and it still has some
funny scenes in it.

637
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,760
It's still, it's still a good, I
think it's a good movie.

638
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,280
But yeah, forgot that he was the
he was the dad in that.

639
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Alright.
Anybody else from the cast that

640
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,760
I I skipped over?
I tried to give everybody their

641
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,800
due.
No, Sir, I was just, I was just

642
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400
hoping that you brought up Lane
Smith, Frank McRae and Harry

643
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Dean Stanton without wonder.
You were getting all the main

644
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,240
ones out of the way.
I was like, OK.

645
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,320
I was like, please tell me he's
going to touch on those three at

646
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,960
least, you know, And then
William Smith, of course, which

647
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,520
you mentioned.
I mean, I I liked him from the

648
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Clint Eastwood movie.
Was it any which way you can?

649
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,120
You said yeah, yeah, I love that
movie.

650
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,240
I remember those, yeah.
Was it any which way?

651
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,280
You can any which way but loose.
It's any which way you can,

652
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800
every which way, but loose.
There it is, yeah.

653
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,960
And then he had a, a couple of
some of our favorite TV shows

654
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640
from the 80s.
He was a guest on like MacGyver

655
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,760
and the A-Team and and so on and
so like so.

656
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,600
Yeah, I will say like, 'cause I
think I was, I think on the

657
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,000
document on the, the extra
feature scene on the Blu-ray, he

658
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,920
was actually a Russian linguist
or he like he was very fluid in

659
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,320
Russian.
And so he was actually like, he

660
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,640
was also like an advisor for the
Russian speak, you know,

661
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,040
speaking roles.
But the Milius was saying like

662
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,640
he really enjoyed the scene
where he speaks the whole scene

663
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,960
of Russian, which going back, I
forgot how much subtitles were

664
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,680
in this movie.
Just watching it today, which

665
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,520
once again, I think was a bold
choice before because I mean,

666
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,920
even today, a lot of times it's
like they're not.

667
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,320
I mean, I think it's I think
it's becoming more popular today

668
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,560
to put subtitles because people
are more used to it now.

669
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,320
But 80s and 90s, they would just
have them speak with an accent

670
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,880
but still speak in English.
But that wasn't the case in this

671
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,320
movie.
I thought it was, I thought it

672
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,280
was a great, you know, keeping
it, making it feel accurate even

673
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,240
though it's not accurate, but
making it feel real by having

674
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,040
them speak their natural
language or, you know, speak

675
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,400
their language and have the
subtitles added some realness to

676
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,120
it.
So.

677
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,000
Right.
And have you ever watched a

678
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,520
movie where they're speaking in
a different language, but they

679
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,320
did not put the subtitles down
there?

680
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,560
Every once in a.
While and it leaves, you've

681
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,720
wondered what are they saying?
I want to know what they're

682
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,840
saying.
You know why?

683
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,239
Can't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

684
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,800
I think I I think it was this
one.

685
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,719
I don't have this on my notes,
but I think I read somewhere

686
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,840
that the early prints of this
didn't have the subtitles.

687
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,679
And one of Melius's director
friends was like, that was so

688
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,280
bold of you to do the the scenes
without subtitles.

689
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,080
And he was like, I didn't they
was it was a mistake or

690
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,320
whatever, but they were like,
well, you kind of knew what they

691
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,000
were talking about it, but it
was still, it still made it

692
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,320
really good.
He was like, but I I would

693
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,040
there's there's some really long
scenes, like if there were

694
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,880
shorter scenes, I could see them
leaving the subtitles out.

695
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040
But there's a few scenes where
like it's real community, a

696
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,159
conversation, you know, like the
the Cuban general with the

697
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,000
Russian Dick, you know, Russian
general had their conversation

698
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,159
outside of the the store that
gets blown up once again,

699
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,840
Jennifer Grey just shows up
wherever she shows up, she's

700
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,200
leaving a bomb somewhere.
I just yeah, like and the same

701
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,480
jacket.
And then they don't have any

702
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,320
knowledge of her whatsoever
doing anything, no.

703
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,960
But I guess everybody, everybody
that's seen her dies, so they

704
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,000
don't have money to ask.
I guess that's the only thing I

705
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,240
can think of like, let's see,
because this is an ensemble.

706
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,720
Do you have a favorite character
of the in the in the cast?

707
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,680
You know of the Wolverines?
I kind of like see Thomas Howe's

708
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,880
character because I mean, he
starts off to the point just

709
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040
he's just your normal everyday
teenager.

710
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,000
I don't want to say he's timid
or anything like that, but he's

711
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,880
not no, but he's definitely not
violent and he does not have a

712
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,800
military, you know, fuelled mind
or anything going on.

713
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,200
And then after his he finds out,
spoiler alert, I guess that his

714
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,200
his father got killed for what
he did for him and everything.

715
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,240
It's like he changes.
It's like he just flips a switch

716
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,960
in him and he's just more, you
know, gosh, this GI Joe, like,

717
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,960
you know, all of a sudden and
then and he's got that iconic

718
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,520
scene where from the top of the
Ridge, he yells at Wolverines

719
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,840
and throws the gun up in the
air.

720
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,800
You know, after they save some
people and stuff, which I

721
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,960
thought I always felt they cut
that scene too short because,

722
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,680
you know, it's like this feel
good.

723
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,360
And then that music, that that
music is playing behind it gives

724
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,000
you that little chill kind of
feel.

725
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,480
And all of a sudden it stops and
goes to something completely

726
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,680
different.
Yeah.

727
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,080
I like you know, I always
thought that was a mistake like.

728
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,640
I did see that in some of the
some of the reviews felt the

729
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,360
editing was not that great.
It was it was kind of choppy in

730
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,080
some scenes.
What?

731
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,880
I mean, I mean, you got to let
that simmer a minute, you know,

732
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,640
I mean, for just a little longer
at least than what it was.

733
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,240
It just really changed too
quickly.

734
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,440
But I think, I think his
character kind of stands out to

735
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,840
me the most.
Yeah, I remember as a kid, like

736
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,240
it's, you know, it's, it's a
very, it's a very definite

737
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,720
change of character.
But I remember as a kid thinking

738
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,000
that was from him drinking the
deer's blood after they're in

739
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,120
the in the hunting scene.
And it wasn't until I was older

740
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,080
that I realized it really
doesn't happen till after he

741
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,320
realizes his, his father died.
And that's when it really kind

742
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,400
of turns.
So I think that was interesting.

743
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Like, I don't know, just as a
kid, like it was the, it was the

744
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,440
dear blood.
The dear blood made him do it.

745
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,880
They also tell him, though,
after he drinks the dear blood,

746
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,080
that you'll, I think Maddie told
him.

747
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,240
My dad always said that you
know, you'll be a different man

748
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,040
going forward.
Right, right.

749
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,680
So I mean, that maybe you can
look at and see that kind of

750
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,760
contributed to it in a sense.
I mean, but probably more or

751
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,480
less because his father got
killed, you know?

752
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,160
Yeah, because that's what he's
talking about when he's selling

753
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,680
off the end of the shotgun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

754
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,240
Because I think, you know,
powers booths, characters like

755
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,720
that hates going to eat you up
or, you know, and he's like, it

756
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,800
keeps me warm.
Like he knows it's, you know, he

757
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,280
knows it's the hatred that's
drawn that's, you know, driving

758
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,320
him or whatever.
So.

759
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,760
But yeah, all right.
Yeah.

760
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,040
I'm.
I'm trying not to jump into

761
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,800
like, iconic favorite scenes.
We'll get there.

762
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,160
Jed's the easy choice because
he's the leader.

763
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,880
But I like, see, I really like
Charlie Sheen's character.

764
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,000
He's a little, it's a little
more subdued than what Charlie

765
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Sheen is kind of used to doing.
So I like that he's a little bit

766
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,800
more, you know, subdued of a
character.

767
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,760
I wish he's the one character I
wish we would have saw a little

768
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,160
bit more of.
Like I wanted to see more of his

769
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,840
connection with Jed.
You see it really at the end,

770
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080
like towards the end of the
movie, but I think it's there

771
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,320
because you know what, like
knowing the end of the movie,

772
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,480
you know what's coming.
But I would have liked to have

773
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,800
seen that a little bit more
established earlier in the

774
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,840
movie.
But but yeah, see, Thomas Howe

775
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,800
definitely has the most striking
change of character.

776
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Or you know that, you know, that
you see a little bit in Jed too,

777
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,920
because the whole, you know, Jed
being like the strong leader at

778
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,000
the beginning and he's trying
to, you know, keep, you know,

779
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,960
hold, you know, the scene where
it's like hold the tears back.

780
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,520
You know, don't let him see you
cry, you know, turn it into

781
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,360
something else or whatever.
And then you get later where

782
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,400
he's sitting by himself crying,
looking at the picture of his

783
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,800
family.
And it's like that's supposed to

784
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,480
show that it's just started to
take its toll on him, that he he

785
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,200
gets to the point where he
doesn't want to fight anymore.

786
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,960
Like he's ready to just, you
know, right, if I can save, if I

787
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,920
can save who's left and give
them a chance to escape, then

788
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,240
it's been worth it.
And so.

789
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,800
Yeah, I think the others had
already kind of chimed in with

790
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,800
that same thought before that
even got there, because Maddie's

791
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,000
telling me some of the others
don't feel like they want to do

792
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,680
this anymore.
They've kind of lost the stomach

793
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,520
for it.
Yeah, yeah.

794
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,360
So, yeah, good stuff.
All right, well, let's jump into

795
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,440
iconic scene.
If somebody says Red Dawn,

796
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,560
what's the first thing that pops
in your head?

797
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,320
See, Thomas Howe was a gun in
the air yelling Wolverine.

798
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,680
That's the one thing that
stands.

799
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Out the most was that see Thomas
Howe in that scene?

800
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,160
I thought it was the other one
of the other kids.

801
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,320
Are you sure?
Just watched it today.

802
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,760
I did too, but I thought I was
one of the kids all right.

803
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,600
It's him.
He's the one that throws the

804
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,360
he's the one always takes the,
the, the bandana pulls it up

805
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,640
over his face.
Yeah, the rest of them don't

806
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,720
really do that as much.
I mean, right.

807
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,040
But he was up there.
Just definitely him.

808
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,760
OK, so for me I it's like trying
to pick one is tough the.

809
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,560
Well, there's several that stand
out for.

810
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,400
Sure, yeah, yeah.
The opening with the

811
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,360
paratroopers, you know, kind of
falling in on the on the town,

812
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,600
the the team, Mr. Teasdale going
out and getting shot was, you

813
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,800
know, pretty, pretty big.
With the one scene, I think like

814
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,280
the other one that I think of
with somebody, says Red Dawn.

815
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,520
It's the scene where Jennifer
Gray takes the she rides the

816
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,040
bike at the gas station.
I was just.

817
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,320
Thinking that, yeah.
And the tank guys are trying to,

818
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,600
you know, hit on or whatever.
I just take the basket or

819
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,480
whatever.
And so the basket, of course,

820
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,520
has a bomb in it.
It goes off and then she starts

821
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,160
running in the open field and as
she runs by there for chasing

822
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,720
after and then popping out of
the ground are the, you know,

823
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:46,880
the guys and they start
shooting.

824
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,240
And so like, I remember like
seeing that as a kid, like, Oh

825
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,000
my gosh, that is so cool and
popping up.

826
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,960
And of course we all had the
idea we were going to go find us

827
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,240
a field and dig holes and we
gave up.

828
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,480
We couldn't, we couldn't dig a
hole.

829
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,520
We we were, we were weak, weak
little 12 year olds.

830
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,520
We didn't have the, we didn't
have the patience for it anyway.

831
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Right, right.
That's a, that's a deep hole to

832
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,240
do.
You can make perfectly square

833
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:10,560
that way where you can get in
there comfortably, you know,

834
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,840
then pop up out of it, you know,
yeah, it doesn't work like that.

835
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,160
And then not to mention if we
did, we'd be made to fill it

836
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,000
right back in when we're done
playing and it wasn't worth.

837
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,200
That effort I So what about
favorite scenes or scenes that

838
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,800
had great impact because I'm
going to change a little bit on

839
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,680
this one.
So I do have I don't, I do have

840
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,800
like some favorite scenes, but
they're scenes that like

841
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,360
impacted me.
Like I, I like even watching it

842
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,760
again, I was like, oh I remember
how this made me feel when I saw

843
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,600
it the first time.
Definitely a great impact is

844
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,920
when Daryl turned on them.
He's got the bug where he snuck

845
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,640
into town because Jed said they
couldn't and his dad turned him

846
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,280
in and they made him swallow the
bug to where he could track him

847
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840
down, where everybody was giving
everybody up.

848
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,760
And then, you know, Jed deciding
that that's it for both of them,

849
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,920
he lines two of them up and he
wants everyone to pull up to

850
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,840
pick up their guns.
And Maddie's like, no, we're not

851
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,200
doing it.
You know what makes us different

852
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,040
from them and everything?
And he turns around and says,

853
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,160
you know, because we live here.
And he turns around and he

854
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,560
shoots the Russian guy, right?
But he can't pull the trigger on

855
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Daryl.
And then see, Thomas Howell's

856
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,680
kid just walks up there and
lifts up the gun and pop, pop,

857
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,360
pop.
Yeah, with like no emotion.

858
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Just like just zero emotion
whatsoever.

859
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,920
You know, he's, he's just still
cold.

860
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,720
He's just cold hearted at this
point.

861
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,080
And then you see Daryl come up
to him and grab him, kind of

862
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,880
pull his face mask halfway down.
As he.

863
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Slides down and bloods all over
his wife.

864
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,960
Yeah, that's just good.
Really stood out to me and

865
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,480
everything.
Yep, that's exactly the scene I

866
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,240
was thinking of about it, the
impact and on the on the behind

867
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:49,240
the scenes thing, see Thomas
Howe talks about that scene and

868
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,040
that like that was Melissa's
note for him.

869
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,640
Like he told him he was like,
he's like, I don't want you to

870
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,880
show any emotion.
He was like, you know, sway, you

871
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,040
know, Jed is going to be the one
that's going to be conflicted.

872
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,680
I don't want to see any conflict
in you.

873
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,280
I just want you to like when
when you can tell that Jed's not

874
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,880
going to do it, you just go
right up and just, you know,

875
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,520
just just take him out, jump on
your horse and ride off.

876
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,160
And he just thought that was
like such a, you know, it made

877
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,480
such for a powerful scene.
And he's like how it turned out

878
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,680
was just, you know, turned out
so well.

879
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,760
And then which I thought was
interesting, he said then the

880
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,080
guy that played Daryl, he said,
you know, they he had to like

881
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,960
when they when they ride off
Darryl still like the actor

882
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,240
that's playing Darryl, still
laying there on the cold ground.

883
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,280
He said it was also like 20
below 0 that day when they were

884
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,800
filming.
It was already like super cold,

885
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,200
but he had to just lay there
while they got the shot of them

886
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,200
running off.
And he said he told him later he

887
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,320
was like, man, he said it became
surreal moment.

888
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,760
I had this moment laying there
like what if this wasn't a

889
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,800
movie?
What if this was real?

890
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,000
What if, what if they I just got
shot and was just going to lay

891
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,040
on this hill until somebody
found me and like, I'm just

892
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,960
going to die right here in the
snow and see Dallas how I was

893
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,600
like, you know, he's like, we
all knew that it was, it was a

894
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,640
movie and that it wasn't real.
But there were definitely

895
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,240
certain surreal moments like
what if this did really happen?

896
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,080
You know, how how accurate would
this be or how would I really

897
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,520
react in these situations?
So which I think is what makes

898
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,480
them, what made the movie stand
out then and what still makes it

899
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,840
stand out now.
At the part where they lined

900
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,640
everybody up for execution too,
when they were on the tanks,

901
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,120
that was a pretty impactful
scene as well.

902
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,720
You know, they're sitting there,
they've dug their own graves

903
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,560
practically.
They're lining them up and then

904
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,560
they start singing.
No.

905
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,880
Was it America the Beautiful or
something or?

906
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:35,920
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

907
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,920
Yeah.
Beautiful for spacious skies,

908
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,400
yeah.
Yeah, And then they just started

909
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,960
unloading on them, you know, and
then you see them do the next

910
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,920
line of people too, which, And
then they're showing close-ups.

911
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,560
And I would have swore and it,
it could have been him filling

912
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,280
an extra spot in the role too
there.

913
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,840
But I would have swore as
they're going down the line, I

914
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:58,000
saw the man that gave up his two
granddaughters to Jed and Matt

915
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,120
to take with them.
I could have swore it looked

916
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,880
just like him in the line of
people.

917
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,400
They do.
That's what they do.

918
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,600
It's like around Christmas time
or something, I think.

919
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why I said it looked just

920
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,360
like him.
Unless he was doing some kind of

921
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,920
double duty for him or
something, and thinking maybe

922
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,360
the camera's going by so quick,
nobody will pay attention to

923
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,880
notice.
And then you see, you know, Jed

924
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,320
and Matt's dad is out.
There just, I mean that's the

925
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,480
one that I recognize.
Just staring straight ahead,

926
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
just waiting because he knows
what's coming, you know, and

927
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,600
takes a moment, I think, to
spill on the ground in front of

928
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,560
him probably.
But I think that was all he did.

929
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,560
Yeah.
That was kind of an impactful

930
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,120
scene as well.
And then that led to the big,

931
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,160
you know, at the camp where
you're telling them to turn it,

932
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,200
turn it into something else, you
know, change it.

933
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,920
You know, a lot of emotion going
on there for what they just

934
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,560
witnessed and found out and
everything.

935
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,480
So it's got some strong scenes
in it.

936
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,920
Yeah, that scene I was watching
the on the behind the scenes

937
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,400
scene, Charlie Sheen was telling
the story about, you know, this

938
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,080
is being his first movie.
And he was and even Power Powers

939
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Booth said like Charlie Sheen
would come up to him a lot, be

940
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,160
like, hey, man, am I doing OK?
Am I, you know, am I good in

941
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,160
this?
And he's like, yeah, man, you're

942
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,800
you're going to be fine.
You're going to be good.

943
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,280
And so he was saying he he had
like after that scene where he

944
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,640
sees the the the parents get
shot down.

945
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,800
And then there's a scene he had
like a long monologue scene,

946
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,520
like telling everybody back at
the camp what happened.

947
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,400
And he's like, I felt like I
really nailed it.

948
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,000
And like, that was like, that
was the only time I felt like I

949
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,760
really gave the performance that
that was I was made to do.

950
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,360
They went to the premiere and it
wasn't there.

951
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,120
And he looked his dad, like his
dad Martin Sheen.

952
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,760
He was like, why did they cut
it?

953
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,600
Like, what, what, why did they
cut that?

954
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,360
He was like, well, son,
sometimes in a movie, you don't

955
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,360
have to tell the audience what
they just saw.

956
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,120
So it really wasn't a necessary
scene.

957
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,400
So that's probably why I got
cut.

958
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,440
He was like, that makes sense
because he said that it cuts to

959
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,400
the line like Jed's line is like
literally the next thing after

960
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,600
his speech.
So like they cut, they cut all

961
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,240
the way to like the last line,
he said.

962
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,520
And then it cuts into where he
finished talking.

963
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,800
So.
And then there's also the thing

964
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,320
where you get to trim down some
minutes sometimes also.

965
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,120
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Got to keep it.

966
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Got to keep the pace, keep the
pace.

967
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,480
All right, well, let's jump into
some scenes and trivia.

968
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,280
We'll may think of some other
scenes as we're going.

969
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,600
As most people know, this was
the first film released with APG

970
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,560
13 rating.
A Flamingo kid, the first film

971
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,520
to actually get the rating was
not released until five months

972
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,240
after this came out.
So that's why even though it was

973
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,280
technically the first one to get
the rating, it wasn't released

974
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,240
in theaters before Red Dawn.
The National Coalition on

975
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,320
Television, I'm sorry, the
National Coalition on Television

976
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,520
Violence deemed Red Dawn, quote
UN quote, the most violent movie

977
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,320
ever made.
They said it contained 134 acts

978
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,880
of violence an hour.
And they gave it the rating of X

979
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,240
they said this summer, they said
this summer's releases are the

980
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,920
most violent in the history of
the industry, averaging 28.5

981
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,400
violent acts an hour.
But they also gave an X rating

982
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,040
to Gremlins and Indiana Jones.
The Temple of Doom, which were

983
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,160
the first were the 2 movies that
basically helped create the PG13

984
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,840
rating.
I will say like watching it

985
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,680
again it for for the violent
content, it does lean a little

986
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,000
bit on the R side, but it's
really not as bloody as I

987
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,480
thought it would be.
Like you see some, but it's not

988
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960
over the top.
And of course, the way movies

989
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,680
are made today, I mean, we're
totally desensitized to it at

990
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,040
this point as you know, 50 year
old guys.

991
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,080
But we're even going back and
watch again.

992
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,120
I can see how it cost a stir for
parents to sit there. 13 year

993
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,040
old kids are seeing people
getting blown up or you know,

994
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,600
well.
So, so like in the in Raiders of

995
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,160
the Lost Ark, we can watch
people's faces and bodies

996
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,040
melting away into nothing but.
Not a problem with Red Dawn.

997
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,600
We can't see some gunshots
happening and somebody getting

998
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,960
killed.
Right.

999
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:56,920
Well, that was a thing back
then.

1000
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,920
You know, we, we knew that was a
melted head.

1001
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,720
Like we knew that wasn't
somebody's real face.

1002
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,480
So.
But yeah, anyway, let's see.

1003
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,800
I do have a favorite trivia from
it.

1004
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:06,480
Go for it.
Yeah, because if it was to

1005
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,120
happen, if it was to happen
today, if it was to happen

1006
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,040
today, that person would have
probably got shot in the tree

1007
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,360
was hanging from.
But five of the 36 paratroopers

1008
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,520
in the beginning of the film got
blown as much as a mile off

1009
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,960
course during the filming, and
one got stuck in a tree and had

1010
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,840
to convince locals he was not
really an enemy soldier dropping

1011
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,000
in on them and I.
Don't have that one on here.

1012
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,320
I don't know if I remember or
not that they actually, you

1013
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,400
know, had guns on him or not.
But I mean, he had it took a lot

1014
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,920
of convincing to make them
believe that he was not a bad

1015
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,120
person.
They're filming a movie and he

1016
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,080
got blown off course.
That was a happened today with,

1017
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,960
you know, some of the, you know,
gun happy people that we do

1018
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,840
have.
If you're in a area where it's

1019
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,600
not, you know, very populated,
we'll say people are very

1020
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,920
protective of their land and
they can get what they got

1021
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,000
there.
And you come floating down

1022
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,040
looking like a Russian soldier.
There's a lot of people probably

1023
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,760
shoot 1st and ask questions
later.

1024
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,600
Yeah, I did read like when they
when they were when they had the

1025
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,840
Russian tanks roll into town
like the FBI, they did say the

1026
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,280
FBI showed up and was I want to
know where the tanks came from

1027
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,280
and before they realized it was
for a movie.

1028
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,560
So the other thing I thought was
cool was like, this is one of

1029
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,320
the rare movies where all of the
explosions were real.

1030
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,480
Like, none of it was with
miniatures, none of it was like,

1031
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,720
and of course it was all
practical effects back then, but

1032
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,320
like, they really blew stuff up.
Like there was nothing that was

1033
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,040
a model that they used instead.
So I thought that was pretty

1034
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,640
interesting.
So the upbeat epilogue showing

1035
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,080
partisan rock with the voice
over explaining that America

1036
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,040
eventually won the war, was
added at the studio's

1037
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,600
insistence.
John Milius, for his part,

1038
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,840
viewed the ending as darkly
ironic, suggesting the character

1039
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,680
struggles were ultimately
reduced to a lonely monument.

1040
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,360
Which I did.
Yeah, I kind of get that a

1041
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,040
little bit.
Is this kind of like a, it feels

1042
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,240
kind of throw away a little bit,
like, it's not like that's all

1043
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:08,320
they got.
But yeah, once again, it was

1044
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,920
thrown at the last minute.
They didn't have enough time to

1045
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,000
make it something a little bit
more formal.

1046
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,040
So do you see that the plot of a
Soviet and Cuban invasion from

1047
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,240
Mexico was based on ACIA and War
College study of USA weaknesses

1048
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,680
at the time?
Yep, Yep.

1049
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,240
So there were a few deleted
scenes and some that you

1050
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:32,040
actually see in the trailer.
On the original trailer and on

1051
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,240
the laser disc release includes
a scene in which a tank rolls up

1052
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,480
to a McDonald's where enemy
soldiers are eating.

1053
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,880
The scene did not appear in the
final cut and was likely removed

1054
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,520
due to a mass shooting at a
McDonald's in San Ysediro,

1055
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,720
California a few weeks before
the film opened.

1056
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:51,520
So yeah, I did I did go back and
watch the trailer and there is

1057
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,960
like a it's very short scene,
not much there.

1058
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,040
And there's also the part of the
scene that there was actual love

1059
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,320
scene between Lea Thompson and
powers booths characters that

1060
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,840
was cut after preview on its has
found the age difference

1061
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,000
uncomfortable.
But Leah Thompson said that she

1062
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,640
was very disappointed.
It was an actual love scene.

1063
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,080
She said it really didn't show
anything.

1064
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,480
But she basically the scene was
basically she went to powers

1065
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,560
with they had this conversation
and she told him that she was

1066
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,080
afraid of dying and never have
never had made love with anyone

1067
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,120
before.
And she asked him if he'd be the

1068
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,280
one to Make Love to her.
And so he was like, OK.

1069
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,960
And then just kind of shows them
kind of like leaning over and

1070
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,120
that was the end of the scene.
But she said that was so then

1071
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,760
the scene of like him outside
with his little flowers and she

1072
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,360
runs up with the flowers and
runs off.

1073
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,760
That was supposed to be the
scene like the after that.

1074
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,640
And so she felt like it was a
it, it gave a little bit more

1075
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,880
about her character because she
said it was always alluded to

1076
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:54,600
that like her and Jennifer
Grey's character had been either

1077
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,520
like, sexually assaulted or
raped by the the Russians before

1078
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,120
they got to their grandfather.
Yeah, he did mention that when

1079
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,360
he was when he was dropping them
off with Jed, he said that they

1080
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,640
tried to have their way with
them.

1081
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,160
Yeah, yeah.
So.

1082
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,160
Yeah.
Did you know Red Dawn was the

1083
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,880
code name for the military
operation that captured Saddam

1084
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,160
Hussein?
That.

1085
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,040
Is yes I do.
I didn't have that on my notes

1086
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:17,960
as.
Well, that was a pretty cool.

1087
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,080
One and during the 2022 Russian
invasion of Ukraine, some

1088
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,320
abandoned Russian tanks in
Ukraine were spray painted with

1089
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,520
Wolverines across it in homage
to this movie.

1090
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,240
That's awesome, yeah.
All right, well, let's jump into

1091
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,240
box office at critical
reception, start wrapping this

1092
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,080
puppy up.
Red Dawn was released in the

1093
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,040
United States on August 10th,
1984, and took the number one

1094
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,400
spot at the box office.
It's opening weekend behind

1095
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,360
Holdovers, Ghostbusters, Purple
Rain, and Revenge of the Nerds

1096
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,400
and slot 2-3 and four
respectively.

1097
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,400
It beat out two other new
releases for the week, Cloak and

1098
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,440
Dagger, which debuted at number
7, and The Adventures of

1099
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,440
Buckaroo Ban bonsai #16.
It remained in the top 10 for

1100
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,120
six weeks and became the 20th
highest grossing film of 1984.

1101
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,120
So I did well all right.
It's time to take a look at how

1102
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,840
well this 80s flick holds up to
date.

1103
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,440
Rewatch ability.
Nostalgia meter is our way of

1104
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,880
measuring how enjoyable a movie
is for repeat viewings along

1105
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,440
with the waves and nostalgia
brings.

1106
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,560
Here's how it works.
It's a one to 10 scale.

1107
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Any number between 1:00 and
10:00 will do, but here are a

1108
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,160
few parameters to help you
decide.

1109
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,880
At the bottom of the meter and
#1 means I saw it once and that

1110
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,160
was enough.
In the middle is a out of #5 is

1111
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,280
a good rewatch every couple of
years or more.

1112
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,720
And the highly coveted #10 at
the top of the meter is highly

1113
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,080
rewatchable and full of
nostalgia.

1114
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:45,680
So Chris, where does Red Dawn
from 1984 rank for you on the

1115
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,400
rewatch ability nostalgia meter?
I still love the action to it,

1116
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,960
but for the simple fact that
there is some quick edits left

1117
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,560
belt should have gone a little
bit longer and the plot holes

1118
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,600
that we had to wonder about and
make up our own minds.

1119
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,480
It drives my score down a little
bit.

1120
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,040
I'm going, I'm going to give it
like a 7 1/2.

1121
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,240
OK, OK, that's actually lower
than I thought it was going to

1122
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,720
be for me.
I'm going to give it a solid 8.

1123
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,080
I think it's, it's very high on
nostalgia for me.

1124
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,600
So that really pushes it up
there.

1125
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,320
But because it's not one that I
watch every year or maybe every

1126
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,880
other year, I can't, you know,
bump it up too high.

1127
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,160
But it is one that I do like to
watch like, you know, every

1128
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,520
couple of years, like maybe
every two or three years, maybe

1129
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,640
every three or four years.
But it's such a good movie.

1130
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,720
Like really enjoyed re watching
it again for the podcast and

1131
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,480
makes me miss Patrick Swayze.
What a great actor he was.

1132
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600
It really showed in this movie.
You saw his star power, you

1133
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,760
know, seeing, you know, these
young fresh faces before they,

1134
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,880
you know, Charlie Sheen, Lea
Thompson.

1135
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,040
It's funny to see Lea Thompson.
It's because she's so like they

1136
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,600
made her so plain face like no
makeup like no like her lips are

1137
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,280
the same colour as her face
like, but she's still really

1138
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,120
pretty.
Like she still looks like a you

1139
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,440
know, a Jennifer Grey kind of
looks like Jennifer Grey.

1140
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,160
But like Lea, Thompson is almost
unrecognizable unless you really

1141
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,200
know who she is.
Right.

1142
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,840
But but I just, but I think
their performances are good.

1143
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,400
I think it's well made.
Yeah, it is.

1144
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,840
There are some plot holes and
it's getting, it gets a little

1145
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,480
unbelievable at times.
But I think the story is there.

1146
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,440
I like that it gives, like we
said, and even perspective that

1147
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,240
I think Millie's is right.
If you see this, if you watch

1148
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:32,280
this the right way or like the
right way, if you watch this in

1149
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,920
a certain way, you can see how
it is like, you know, for both

1150
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,280
sides to say, is this really
what we want to do?

1151
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,440
Do we really want to invade and
have teenagers fighting, you

1152
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,960
know, so, but anyway, that's my
thought anyway.

1153
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,080
So I give it an 8.
You give it a 7.

1154
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,280
Still ranks high on the
nostalgia.

1155
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,040
Nostalgia.
You you got to throw the half in

1156
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,000
now 7. 7 1/2 because that's I.
Kind of feel bad that I didn't

1157
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,520
give it an 8, but I mean because
they made me wonder about a

1158
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,200
couple things.
I got to knock them down that

1159
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,680
half a notch or something.
I got you.

1160
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,600
I got you.
All right, well, let us know

1161
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,760
where you think Red Dawn should
rank on the rewatch ability and

1162
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,480
nostalgia meter.
You can send us an e-mail, reach

1163
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,960
out to us on social media, or
you can leave us a comment right

1164
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,080
here in the comment sections on
YouTube if you're watching the

1165
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,680
video.
Well, Chris, I want to thank you

1166
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,040
for joining.
Always a pleasure to have you on

1167
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,680
the show, my friend.
Please tell me about what's

1168
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,560
going on over at Retro Life For
You podcast.

1169
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,960
What you got coming up here in
September?

1170
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Let's see the current week right
now as we're recording This is

1171
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,640
Enemy Mine upcoming next week is
going to be rounders.

1172
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:49,520
Oh yeah, Matt Damon and.
John Malkovich and Edward

1173
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Norton.
John Turturro.

1174
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,880
Edward Norton, that's the other
one.

1175
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,280
That's what I was.
Trying to think of yeah.

1176
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,160
And then I believe at that
point, if my dates are correct,

1177
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,320
that starts the month of
October, which is all horror

1178
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:02,960
movies.
Worse this year, but we're going

1179
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,080
with strictly 90s horror movies
this time.

1180
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,800
We're not going to mix it up
like last year.

1181
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,040
Yeah, the resurgence of the
horror movie of the mid to late

1182
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,040
he's.
Yeah, probably gonna throw.

1183
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,080
Like I said, we're gonna throw
some scream in there.

1184
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,760
Some.
I know what you did last summer,

1185
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:24,720
Urban Legend, the faculty, and
possibly, possibly Candy Man.

1186
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,400
I think that might be the other.
OK, cool, very cool.

1187
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,240
And if you didn't catch his
episode where they he got to

1188
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,080
interview Keith Coogan again for
the second time, that was a

1189
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,480
great episode that I listened to
this past week.

1190
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,280
So.
Yeah, we did.

1191
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,400
Always good to hear, Keith.
Talking about yeah, which made

1192
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,400
me want to watch toy soldiers
again, and then watching this,

1193
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,120
maybe want to watch toy soldiers
again even more.

1194
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,160
So I'll probably watch that
sometime this week.

1195
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Now, he he did say that he could
possibly be talked into coming

1196
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,080
back on to do another movie
again.

1197
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,320
I was thinking, the one with, my
gosh, is it Jon Cryer?

1198
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,440
Is that who it was?
Yeah, hiding out.

1199
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,640
Hiding out?
I was thinking maybe hiding out

1200
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,920
because I've already talked to
him extensively about adventures

1201
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,640
in babysitting and the other
ones, yeah.

1202
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,480
Sounds good.
I may.

1203
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,440
I mean, I did.
I did a very brief interview

1204
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,760
with him a couple years ago, so
I haven't reached back out to

1205
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,440
him again.
But maybe, maybe I'll do that

1206
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,160
too.
Maybe we can get him get him to

1207
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,840
do another episode with us.
Awesome.

1208
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,480
Well, definitely check out retro
life for you podcast.

1209
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,160
Chris always does a good job
with his show and has a lots of

1210
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,560
interviews he's done.
Cynthia Rod Roth Rothrock always

1211
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,160
mess up her last name.
Does that say all right?

1212
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,880
It's like a tongue twister
almost, isn't it?

1213
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,120
But yeah, Cynthia Rothrock and
Keith Cook from China O'Brien

1214
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,520
and then her new movie, I think
it's called Black Creek or Yeah,

1215
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,400
but I'm drawing a blank for
sure.

1216
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,800
I think it's Blank Creek.
Y'all talked y'all talked about

1217
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,560
it in the episode.
Yeah, it was a pretty good

1218
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,760
movie.
It's not an 80s movie, but it's

1219
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,600
pretty good movie.
No, but yeah, if you like

1220
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:01,200
martial arts movies, definitely.
She is the female equivalent to

1221
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,440
Chuck Norris.
Yes, absolutely, and I've

1222
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,520
started following her on social
media since she did the

1223
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,560
interview and so it's cool to
see her still kicking butt.

1224
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,720
Does not look her age at all.
No, no, not at all.

1225
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,400
So all right, well, give give
the podcast a listen, but I hope

1226
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,600
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1227
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,280
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1228
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,160
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1236
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