#143 - "Rocky III" (1982) with Chris Adams & JB Huffman

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Since The Italian Stallion first
appeared on screen in 1976,

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Rocky Balboa's cinematic story
has become a firm part of pop

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culture, not just in America,
but around the world, and the

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tropes have been emulated and
parodied many times over the

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years in other films,
television, and other media.

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It seems that everyone knows
that theme music, the training

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montage, the steps to the
Philadelphia Museum of Art and

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so on.
Like all great films about

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sports, Rocky isn't really about
boxing, but about life itself.

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It's about people and how they
relate to one another.

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After the a successful sequel in
1979, it was no surprise that

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Stallone would once again
Donna's boxing shorts and gloves

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for this 80s sequel.
This time, however, there are

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new challenges and challengers,
both physical and emotional.

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So climb back into the boxing
ring, crank up survivors Eye of

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the Tiger, and get ready for a
knockout episode as Chris Adams,

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JB Huffman and I discuss Rocky 3
from 1982 on this episode of the

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80s Flick Flashback Podcast.
Well, welcome everybody.

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So glad to have you on this
episode.

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We are wrapping up our summer of
sequels with a kind of a it's

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not really a bonus episode
because it's coming out when a

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regular episode comes out, but
it's a bonus in the sense that

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it's not from a franchise that
we've covered yet because the

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1st 2 movies of course, came out
in the 70s.

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But this is a great 80s sequel
and why not do it here at the

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end of August to close out our
summer of sequel series?

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So.
But tonight we're stepping back

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into the ring and to discuss a
film this legendary.

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I needed a corner team that has
no quit in them.

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First up, he's got the eye of
the tiger when it comes to

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spotting a film's strengths and
weaknesses, and he's never lost

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his edge.
A huge welcome to Chris Adams

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from Retro Life for you.
How you doing Chris?

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Doing good, How you doing today?
I'm doing good.

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And his tag team partner tonight
is a man with a heart and smarts

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of Apollo Creed.
He knows you can't just go toe

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to toe with the movie.
You got to have a game plan.

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So welcome back to one and only
JB Huffman from Manly Movies.

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How you doing JB?
Doing great man.

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I'm happy to cover this and the
timing of it.

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Not not long after the great
Hulk Hogan's death.

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Yeah, I know.
I.

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Might get a little emotional, I
could just say.

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Look, the hard thing with this
one, when I was doing the

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research is like, I can't spend
too much time on Mr. T and Hulk

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Hogan just because their their
their backgrounds are a life

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story like, and there's so much
about them.

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So I was like, I got to keep it
short.

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But yeah, we are going to talk
about both of them.

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And of course it was hard not to
when he came on the screen, I

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was like, oh man.
And this was like, this was Hulk

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Hogan before the world really
knew who Hulk Hogan was, which

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is really cool too.
So we'll get into it.

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But yeah, we'll, I'll have your
tissue ready if you need it.

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So let's jump into today's
episode.

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I'll start with Chris.
When did you see Rocky 3 for the

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very first time?
Very first time it it was

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definitely on a home rental.
This is one of those movies.

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I told you before we've talked
about this before.

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I've I've probably brought this
up twice on your on your podcast

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back when they had the video
disc players.

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Yeah, yeah, that you.
So this was one of those movies

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that I would always get when my
mom would rent one of those

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forests and I would just
immediately flip it over to the

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backside and put the backside in
because you're past all the

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stuff with the first initial
loss and Mick dying.

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All the drama.
Him.

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Yeah, all the you're past all
the drama now.

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You're at the point where Apollo
has got Rocky.

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He's retraining him for the
rematch and all the good stuff.

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So I would just always watch
that.

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Yeah, that that.
That's the first time I've seen

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it.
Gotcha.

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What about you, JB?
It's one of those, like I've

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I've said before, I don't
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I do remember distinctly when I
was a kid.

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I mean, of course, yeah, I'm,
I'm sure I watched it several

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times in the 80s.
But then in the 90s, after Rocky

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5 came out, they came out with
this VHS box set that was like

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in a big American flag.
All the, all the, the VHS, this

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is like fit together.
And I had that sucker and I and

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I kept it in my room because I
would watch them over and over

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and over and over again.
I'll like, I love, love, love

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this franchise.
And this was this was one of my

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favorites.
It might have been my favorite

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growing up.
Oddly enough, I really, really

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liked 5 when I was a kid.
But I hate, I'm ashamed to admit

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that, but you know.
No, I I, you know, we won't

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cover it because that one I
think did come out in the he's

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like 1990, I think.
But when I saw it in a theater,

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I loved it.
I thought it was great.

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And then, you know, a couple of
years later going back and

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watching and I was like, it
didn't have it didn't seem to be

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as good as I remembered.
But but I was just such a big

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Rocky fan, it really didn't
matter to me.

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But but yeah, so for this one, I
saw that this is one that played

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on HBOA lot when I was when we
had HBO when I was a kid.

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So this is the very first Rocky
movie that I saw.

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I never, I had never seen two.
I'd never seen one.

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Didn't know they existed.
And I want to say that by the

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time this was on cable, Mr. T
was on a team.

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So I I knew who he was.
I think I might have known who

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Hulk Hogan was at that point.
Maybe not.

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I wasn't as into wrestling at
that point as I as I was later,

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like later than the in the 80s.
But and this might have been the

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first Stallone movie I saw.
I don't I don't remember.

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I was really, I mean, I was
really little when I saw, but I

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remember this movie being on the
little TV and our in the

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basement of our house where kind
of like our basement living room

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was.
And I remember that I had a tape

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recorder that I used to record,
you know, because we didn't have

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VCR to watch the movie over
again.

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But I would record like certain
parts of the movie to hear it

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replay the my favorite scenes
later on.

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Definitely remember like the and
the wrestling scene, him and him

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and Hulk Hogan.
I, I vividly remember Mick's

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death and the funeral for some
reason.

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So I know we'll kind of get to
iconic scenes, but so this is

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this is like the nostalgia of
nostalgia Rocky movies for me.

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So I saw Rocky four in the
theater, which we'll talk to

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when we get to that movie.
But this is the one that I

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remember seeing on HBO so many
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But it is the movie that made me
become a huge Stallone fan,

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Rocky fan.
And I'll honestly say, no, we

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don't cover it.
But I didn't see the first two

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Rockies until I was probably an
adult.

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Like I don't think I ever sat
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I've I've watched 3/4.
I know I watched a bunch of

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times.
I saw five a couple of times,

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But but this is the one that
introduced me to the character

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and kind of to Stallone.
So so got a lot of love for this

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one and it's hard for me because
I like to say that 4 is my

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favorite.
But after watching this one

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again, it's like this one might
have edged it out just a little

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bit just because it's got a
little bit more of a story to

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it.
And there's some really good,

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there's some good dramatic
moments in it that really give

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it some weight.
But Rocky 4 is so much fun.

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It's like it's it's almost more
entertaining because it's half

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of it's a music video.
But anyway, we'll get into that

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when we get.
It's the Rock'n'roll entry into

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the franchise.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely the best
soundtrack of all of them, only

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because they put, you know, they
put Eye of the Tiger on the

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Fortune on the soundtrack before
as well.

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They could not put it on there.
But anyway.

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So how long has it been since
you rewatched it before we

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watching the podcast, Chris?
Oh, like I said earlier, I

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watched it just just today.
I always try to rewatch the

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movies if I'm if I'm able to
before I do a podcast episode

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just to make sure it's fresh on
my mind.

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Yeah, but but how long?
Yeah, like but before that, like

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how long has it been since you
watched it before re watching it

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for the podcast?
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Man, it's been it's, it's been
several years.

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OK.
It's for three now.

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I I've watched Rocky 4 quite
often.

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Yeah.
And Rocky Balboa has been on TV

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on TNT a lot more than its fair
share.

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So I mean, but this one here is
it's one of my favorites, but

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it's it's been a while since
I've watched it actually.

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What about you, JB?
Yeah, thanks Chris for making me

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feel bad.
I normally what?

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I'm, hey, that's what I'm here
for, man.

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That's, that's, that's, that's
my role in this thing today is

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to make people feel terrible.
Yeah, I normally go back and

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watch them before a podcast, but
just completely slipped my mind.

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But like, as I was saying
earlier, like I, I have seen

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these movies so many times, it
really doesn't matter.

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This, this one, well, just like
all of them.

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I think the last time, the last
time that I logged it on

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Letterbox was four years ago,
2021.

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But I have watched them since
then because every time I see

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them on, I'm watching them.
And if it's like, I may not

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watch the whole thing.
So yeah, I've definitely watched

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it, bits and pieces of it
several times in the last four

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years since the since the last
time that I actually logged in,

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Yeah.
I remember watching this, it's

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been within the last 10 years,
probably five years ago maybe.

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I want to say I don't think it
was during the pandemic.

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I think it was before then.
But I had all of them on.

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I think they were all on Prime
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And so it was like a Saturday or
like a holiday weekend where I

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had like I had nothing to do.
And I was like, you know, I

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don't want to watch these from
the beginning.

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And I did.
I started with I watched 1234.

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I got watched 5 and then I
watched Rocky Balboa, which I I

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have a soft spot for Rocky
Balboa.

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So I think that's that might I
mean, once again, it's such a it

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gets it gets bashed a lot just
because they, you know, he's too

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old.
But the story of the movie is

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really good.
Anyway, sidebars.

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So yeah, so I've watched this
one more recently.

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Before then it had probably been
10 or 15 years since I've seen

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it so.
But I own the complete set now

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so I can watch it whenever I
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But it's also still on prime.
I noticed as well because.

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Yeah, where I watched it.
I was kind of mad because I have

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a digital copy that I own and
I'm probably going to send a

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message to Fandango at home,
which now I'm going to say this

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will never be a sponsor of the
show and that's OK.

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But I noticed like the picture
quality it kept like the picture

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kept changing, like the
brightness would change on and

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off.
And I thought maybe it was my

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TV.
So I checked my settings and it

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was still doing that like almost
all the way like halfway to the

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movie.
And then it just got to a point

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it just kept, it kept stopping
as I'm sorry, we cannot load

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this at the time.
Like I own this movie, you can

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load it how it feels like this
is, I know, I guess if it's

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digital, we don't own it, which
is why I'm trying to beef up my

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physical media.
But so I tried to like 3 times

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before to get it to start back
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And it was right at the scene
where Rocky and Adrian are

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having their conversation on the
beach, which is like one of the

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high drama moments.
And it kept cutting out on me.

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It's like I said, look, it's got
to be on something else.

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And I found it on Prime.
Now, granted, I had bought the

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4K digital version.
I went to Amazon Prime to see

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the 4K version and the Amazon
Prime was cleaner, better

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picture quality, and it didn't
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So I'll be sending Fandango at
home a very nice letter asking

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for upgrade on my digital
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But anyway, sidebar again.
So all right, well, let's jump

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into story origin and pre
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short.
Like I thought it would be more

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of a story and there's really
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Of course, following the success
of Rocky 2, Stallone began

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developing 1/3 installment for
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explore the challenges of fame
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The narrative arc was designed
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longer as the underdog, but as
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the physiological and physical
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Stallone returned as writer and
director, aiming to bring more

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stylized and commercially
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Because Rocky's life is so
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first two films, he wanted this
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first.
I supposed to reflect the

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changes in the character's life.
He felt that one of the biggest

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prices of fame is a loss of
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the media into every aspect of a
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news and documentary,
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So we wanted to film it that
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As if the camera was secretly
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all rights to privacy.
That's why there's so much

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handheld material in the film,
which until I read that, I don't

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think I would have picked up on
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back and watch one and two
before watching 3.

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would have noticed that it was a
bigger change and how it was

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filmed.
But I think was interesting that

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he wanted to go that route of
showing, you know, filming it

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that way where it's a little bit
more documentary, really kind of

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lot more close-ups and that kind
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So did you guys notice that?
I did not, but not now that I'm

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thinking about it.
Yeah, that that makes sense.

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Yeah, definitely makes sense.
I didn't really think about that

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way either.
But I mean, now she say it.

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I, I I can see that.
I'm gonna have to.

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I'm gonna have to rewatch them
again and look and look for it

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though.
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So, you know, like I do every
year, so.

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Right, right, yeah, you'll come
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So right.
Well, that's that's it for pre

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production.
I mean, just you know, he knew

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what he wanted to do.
We'll talk a little bit more in

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casting as we get into casting
too.

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But anyway, let's talk about
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So of course we got Sylvester
Stallone as Rocky Balboa.

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Not going to go over his
filmography.

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We've covered him.
JB Huffman and I have recovered

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him twice for Tango and cash on
his podcast and mine.

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Did we do Tango and cash on your
podcast, Chris?

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Do I feel like?
You might have been the one with

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me, I can't remember honestly.
I've covered this movie, so I've

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covered Tango and Cash way more
than I should I guess, but.

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I have done Tango and cash, I
just can't remember if you were

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the one that was on there.
I feel like it was I like 'cause

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I know I was on JB's and then I
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we did it on mine and JB was on
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So.
But anyway, so you can go back

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and list of that.
And we've also at this point,

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we've covered all three of the
Rambo movies that came out I.

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Was just thinking about that,
yeah.

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Yeah, so we've, we've, we've
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bit.
So but he does look noticeably

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more ripped than he did in the
first two films.

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Stallone managed to get his body
fat percentage down to an all

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time low of 2.6% and weighed 155
lbs.

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That's almost right there with
me, yeah.

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He looks like a middle weight.
Yeah, yeah, I think they said he

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was like 195 and that last, that
last when they introduced for

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the fight with Clever Lang and
Clever Lang was like 2/25, 2:30.

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I was like, dude, to get in that
kind of shape, Stallone, I would

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only eat 10 egg whites a day
with a piece of toast, treating

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himself to some fruit every 3rd
day.

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I don't know how you can eat
that little.

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And then like, he would work
out, he would swim like he did

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his like, like all that
exercise, like, I don't know how

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you do that with that little bit
of food every day.

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It was the 80s.
So you tried it all?

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And eggs are like the perfect
superfood, too.

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So like, if you're eating that
many eggs, you pretty much feel

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full, OK.
Well.

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Maybe that?
Maybe that's what he needed.

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I.
Don't know.

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Yeah.
I don't work out, so I wouldn't

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know.
Like I wouldn't know how much

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food you need when you're
actually working outside.

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Yeah, I don't I have a
dietitian, so I haven't haven't

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gotten those those stats before,
but but he does.

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I mean, he definitely true.
It's funny because I think we

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talked about that in Rambo First
Blood Part 2, like he got really

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ripped for that one.
So yeah, he was this was his

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prime, the era he was in prime
shape for sure, like the early

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to mid 80s.
So and then we've got Talia

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Shire as Adrian.
She's the only we haven't talked

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about any other movie.
So she's the only daughter of

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Italia composer Carmen Coppola.
She is the sister of director

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producer Francis Ford Coppola
and academic August Coppola, the

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aunt of actor Nicolas Cage and
director Sofia Coppola, and the

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niece of composer and conductor
Anton Coppola.

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So the Coppola's are a big
family and very famous so.

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But of course, she's best known
for her roles as Connie Corleone

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and their Godfather trilogy, as
well as Adrian in the Rocky

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series.
She has done some other movies,

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but very this is pretty much
what she's most known for.

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Did you know she was in a real
cheesy superhero thing on

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Saturday mornings a long time
ago?

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I don't think so.
You'll look it up one day.

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It's really crazy, OK?
It's some of the cheesiest

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looking stuff.
Do you remember how a a show

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called Captain Marvel was on
television?

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Shazam.
Yeah, the old.

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Yeah, Yeah, the old one.
Yeah, so it's it's filmed kind

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of like that, about that same
time frame and everything, but

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it's her and another woman
playing two women superheroes.

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I forget what they were called
now.

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But it was that Dino girl or.
Was it something that might be

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what that was?
Yeah, I didn't know that was.

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I've seen like the clips of that
but I didn't realize that was

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her.
Yeah, it's her and somebody

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else.
Funny, I will say that and I

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once again you I know JB seen
that a lot.

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Of course you can add it if you
want, but it is she a much

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different character in this
movie then she will.

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I know from the first one
because she's very shy, very

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timid, you know, that's the
whole, you know, one is very

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much the love story between
Rocky and Adrian.

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Like it's more about their love
story than it is about boxing.

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The second when I think lean
more into the boxing, but it was

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still more of a drama and not
really a you know what quote UN

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quote, what we call now a sports
movie.

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But I feel like in this movie
she has a little bit more umph

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or she has like her having
something to say matters in this

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one, I guess, or she's got a
little bit more boldness.

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So am I wrong in saying that?
Or is did did did that come

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across as well?
I don't think you're wrong and

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and I think she definitely
stands out a little bit,

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whatever, as a stronger
character than she was in her

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previous ones.
So no, you're not wrong at all

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on that.
Yeah, like she became in the in

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the second one, she was more of
like a supporting role to to

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Rocky and was just there to
encourage him.

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But in this movie, she was like
legit like putting him in his

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place and and get it snapping
him back into reality.

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And like, so like, I think this
is where she kind of started

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taking a turn, which we'll see
more of it in Rocky 4.

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Right, right.
Yes.

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Straight up, you can't win.
Yeah.

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Anyway, my greatest encourager
to my biggest doubter.

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Thank you.
Yeah, exactly.

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So like this, this is really
when she started to turn in that

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direction was in this movie.
So yeah, I can see that for

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sure.
Yeah, and I like that.

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You know, I don't we'll talk,
talk about the same.

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But the the scene with them on
the beach, I like that she's the

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one that kind of snaps my like,
you know, you know, you know,

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Apollo is there to train him and
kind of, you know, he kind of

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helped kind of get him in that
mode.

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But even Apollo couldn't do it.
Of course they weren't, you

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know, they were enemies and they
kind of were becoming friends in

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this too.
So, you know, that kind of that

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helped establish their
relationship.

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But I think it's great in the
writing that, you know, Stallone

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felt that it was important that
she'd be the one that really

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kind of lights the fire back in
and to make him realize that he

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can do it.
Not these other outside forces

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that are, you know, good for him
and are close to him, but not as

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close as she is to be able to
speak to.

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To to him that that in that way.
All right, moving on.

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Bert Young as Paulie, he
appeared in such films as

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Chinatown in 74, The Gambler in
74, The Killer Elite in 75,

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Convoy 78, Once Upon a Time in
America in 1984, The Pope of

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Greenwich Village 84 Back to
school in 1986, one of my

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favorites, Mickey Blue Eyes in
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He was also in Amityville 2,
which I think was like 80, 2 or

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83.
So, but yeah, Bert Young's

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Polly, of course, he was in the
other movies.

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I haven't covered him on any
other movies here on the

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podcast.
We want to bring him up, but

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always one of my favorite
characters in the Rocky movies.

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And of course, you know, it's
but I will say feel like there's

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there's there was like some kind
of set up there at the

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beginning, like the shot of
Polly in the in the bar.

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And then he walks into the
arcade and he tears up the Rocky

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pinball machine.
He goes to jail.

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Rocky comes and picks him up.
I'm like, was that all just so

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Rocky could have him on his team
and hire him like it?

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I don't know if that was like a
extension of like Part 2 or if

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it was they just trying to give
Paulie a little bit more

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character development somewhat.
But really he doesn't.

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I mean, it never comes back into
play in the rest of the movie.

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So I just thought was
interesting that that that scene

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is there.
Yeah, like they were probably

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trying to give him a little bit
more to work with to.

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Like, it's funny.
Paulie is one of those guys that

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every time I see him in another
movie that's not Rocky, I'm

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like, it's kind of like, it's
kind of like when Norm walks in

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the chairs and everybody's like,
no, right, Right.

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That's how I am with Paulie.
When I see him and anything

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else, I'm like Paulie, yeah.
Exactly, Exactly.

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Yeah, definitely his most iconic
role for sure.

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Yeah, yeah.
For sure.

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So once again, I think maybe
just kind of giving him another

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moment to shine.
Like, you know, he's such a

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great actor, like give him give
him his moment, even if it's

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kind of early in the movie.
But I like, you know, Paulie's

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great.
I will get to one of my favorite

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lines.
But he that is, but I'd exchange

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for him and Stallone, which
we'll get to.

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But then of course he got Carl
Weathers as Apollo Creed.

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We covered him in our Predator
episode, so we won't go back and

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cover him.
But of course he's, you know,

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this is his third time in the
Rocky franchise.

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He was in the 1st 2:00 and then
Burgess Meredith as Mickey.

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Come on, Rock.
Burgess, Meredith.

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He established himself as a
leading man in Hollywood.

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Critically acclaimed
performances in a Winter Set in

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1936, Of Mice and Men in 39, and
the Story of GI Joe in 1945.

443
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,680
Not the cartoon, but the story
of GI Joe.

444
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,200
Of course, he was known later in
his career for his appearances

445
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,240
on The Twilight Zone and for
portraying the Penguin in the

446
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,600
1960 TV series Batman.
Oh.

447
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,520
Yes.
I was wondering when you're

448
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,320
going to get to that?
One.

449
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,880
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
I remember him as well from

450
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,680
Clash of the Titans.
In 1981, he appeared in the

451
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,000
comedy Foul Play with Chevy
Chase.

452
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,120
But yeah, he, you know, one of
the greatest actors to ever do

453
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:05,440
it.
And he's, if you've never seen

454
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,560
the grumpy old men movies, him
as the the old, the old man, The

455
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,760
Dirty, dirty old man.
He's so funny in that movie,

456
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,240
that movie, those movies are
hilarious.

457
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,280
But anyway, but yeah, it's kind
of a shame that he's only

458
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,000
spoiler, he's spoiler alert.
He's only in this for the first

459
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,800
half of the movie.
But yeah, he was great.

460
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,680
Why wasn't he in it for very
long?

461
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,680
You want to spoil it a little
bit further?

462
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,240
I mean, I hopefully you've seen
the movie, right?

463
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,400
I think I mentioned it already.
He was.

464
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,640
I remember his funeral scene.
So yeah, he does die of a heart

465
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520
attack early in the movie.
You didn't.

466
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,840
I did.
All the people out there,

467
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,440
they're going to go watch this
movie now are not going to watch

468
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,240
it because you just spoiled the
whole.

469
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,200
Go watch it anyway.
Dude, it's like in the first

470
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,560
scene.
Yeah, it's like the 1st 20

471
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,800
minutes of the movie.
He'll be all right.

472
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,040
So it's funny, like I've watched
a lot of like older movies from

473
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,960
the 40s and 50s, but I had never
actually seen Burgess Meredith

474
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,000
in one of those, you know?
Old movies, yeah.

475
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,200
You know, like that.
And I watched on our merry way

476
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,040
recently with Burgess, Burgess
Meredith and Jimmy Stewart.

477
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Henry Fonda, Like, it's like
who's who?

478
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Dorothy Lamarr like but dude,
but Burgess Meredith was like he

479
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,120
was also one of the main actors
in there like man, this is

480
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,600
Mickey in his like legit prime.
It was just so cool to watch

481
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,240
him.
Like now they just I wonder if

482
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,080
he ever played a boxer.
That's what I really want to

483
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,880
watch.
That would be interesting.

484
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Yeah.
I mean, he's got AI mean, I, you

485
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,720
know, I can't go over this full
filmography, but he he had a

486
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,280
very, excuse me, he had a very
full career for sure.

487
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,440
So.
Did did Bernie Young have

488
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,760
something a movie he was in
about a boxer or was he a boxer

489
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,760
in a movie or?
That I don't.

490
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,000
Or am I confusing him with
somebody else?

491
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,920
Mr. T was I think I remember
them saying he was in another

492
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,440
boxing movie like you.
Know, I think of this one.

493
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:01,960
I think I'm thinking it's
somebody else, OK.

494
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,880
But the thought just hit me and
then I'm like, no, I don't think

495
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,200
it's him after all.
So since we already talked about

496
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,520
the death of Mickey, I had this
little dope.

497
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,360
The fact that Mickey turned out
to be Jewish was surprising to

498
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,560
fans and even Mr. Stallone
himself, as much of the material

499
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,040
involving the character for the
1st 2 movies and scenes before

500
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,000
his death strongly hinted he was
Irish American.

501
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,560
The main reason for highlighting
Mickey's ethnicity was the

502
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,000
film's wish to pay tribute to
many Jewish Americans who had

503
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,800
been successful trainers
throughout boxing history, as

504
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,440
many of these real people were
as old or older than Burgess

505
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,520
Meredith when this film released
in 1982.

506
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,360
So it was a nice little homage
to Jewish American trainers of

507
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,760
many of the boxers.
So pretty cool.

508
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,880
You know what I was thinking?
Well, when I asked you, when I

509
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,880
said was Bert Young in a boxing
movie, I just, I, I couldn't

510
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,200
help but I had to look it up and
see.

511
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,800
It's not that he was in a boxing
movie.

512
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,640
He served a tour of duty in the
United States Marine Corps from

513
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,280
57 to 59 while in there and he
boxed regularly.

514
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,520
Oh, OK.
So that's, that's that's where

515
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,520
I've heard that from.
I know it wasn't a movie.

516
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,600
All right, moving on, we've got
Mr. T as Clubber Lane.

517
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,280
Pity the fool.
Yeah, pity the fool.

518
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,640
Sylvester Stone was keen to
switch things up for the third

519
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,720
movie for the role of Clubber
Lane.

520
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,520
Two world class heavyweight
boxers, Joe Frazier and Ernie

521
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,960
Shavers, were initially
considered both matched alone,

522
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,200
and height and physique were
ultimately rejected due to vocal

523
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,800
concerns.
Frazier reportedly had a stutter

524
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,160
and Shavers had a high pitched
voice deemed unsuitable for the

525
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,680
characters of menacing persona.
Yeah, that probably wouldn't

526
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,240
work too well.
He finally found what he was

527
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,080
looking for when he tried to
visit boxer Leon Spinks at his

528
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,120
title fight against the
legendary Muhammad Ali.

529
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,200
He approached Spinks door.
He saw Mr. T, who was the

530
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,600
bouncer for him and would not
let him in no matter who he was.

531
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,320
Mr. T recalled an interview.
I didn't let Stallone in.

532
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,880
Unless Leon told me you were
coming in, then I was not going

533
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480
to let you in.
Celebrity or not, Stallone

534
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,120
respected Mr. Mr. T for doing
his job and went on his way.

535
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,440
Two years later, he saw Mr. T
competing on America's toughest

536
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,600
bouncers, throwing his opponents
around with ease.

537
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,520
The actor decided then and there
that Mister T was the perfect

538
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,280
opponent for Rocky Balboa in the
next movie.

539
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Before long, he had entitled Mr.
T, whose real name is Lawrence.

540
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,080
Toured to play clever laying in
the Rocky movies, Stallone saw

541
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,080
eye to eye with Mr. T quickly,
likely because both of them had

542
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,200
extremely humble roots.
Stallone at one point was

543
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,200
homeless and a struggling actor
who had to sell his car and dog

544
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,120
just to buy food.
Meanwhile, Mr. T dragged himself

545
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,960
out of the housing projects in
Chicago.

546
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,040
Once the contracts have been
signed, Stallone and Mr. T

547
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,120
started training for their on
screen brawls.

548
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
But the casting directors are
not happy at how Mr. T was

549
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,960
performing in the early shoots.
To combat this, they try to send

550
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,440
Mr. T to an acting school, but
Stallone stepped in.

551
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Mr. T remembered how Stallone
defended him during the film

552
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,200
shoot.
He said Stallone said no, don't

553
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,600
touch him.
You touch him, you're going to

554
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,440
mess him up.
I want his rawness.

555
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,360
The thing Stallone loved about
Mr. T was that he was pure,

556
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:03,480
unfiltered rage and power.
It was his opinion if the star

557
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,960
was put through acting school,
he would lose all of his natural

558
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800
charm and charisma.
It's a good thing he did as

559
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,640
well.
Mr. T ad libbed a few lines in

560
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,600
the movie, including the most
iconic catch phrase of all time.

561
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,720
I pity the fool.
This was the first time he

562
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,000
uttered the phrase and fun fact,
I haven't fact checked it but it

563
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,600
is I did say it a couple times.
He never said pity the fool

564
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320
while he was on the A-Team.
No.

565
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,880
Yeah, I knew that that was where
it came from.

566
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,520
But yeah, like contrary to
popular belief, he never said.

567
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,600
It on that, yeah.
There were commercials with him

568
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,560
saying.
Oh, of course, yeah.

569
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,840
I mean, that was that was his
catch phrase.

570
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,760
It wasn't BA like, you know, so
yeah.

571
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000
What a.
Little cartoon series he had too

572
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,840
you.
Heard Oh yeah.

573
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040
Oh yeah.
Look, like I said, I could have

574
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,760
I I mean, there was like 6
paragraphs of like his Mr. TS

575
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,080
dominance of pop culture in the
80s.

576
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:07,600
Like he is a bona fide 80s icon.
I mean no doubt, no doubt.

577
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,160
So it's funny, I thought about
this earlier that like I was

578
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,360
thinking of like quotes from
this movie and the the the quote

579
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,720
from Mr. T that always comes to
mind.

580
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Obviously after pity the fool
was not from this movie, not

581
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,800
from the A-Team.
OK, but it was like all the

582
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,240
great, all the great things all
the time from the A-Team,

583
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,240
whatever.
But it was from not another teen

584
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,520
movie.
When he says to the to Chris

585
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,480
Evans at a football game, he
says believe in the ball and

586
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,600
throw yourself.
Like it's just I've always, any

587
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,560
time I say it just comes to
mind.

588
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,680
I just had to throw that sidebar
out there.

589
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Believe in the ball and throw
yourself.

590
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,440
I love it.
I haven't seen that that.

591
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,800
I haven't seen that movie in a
long time.

592
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,640
That's a funny movie.
It's yeah, that's that, that.

593
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,000
Yeah.
They it, it, you know, it was a

594
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,720
good parody.
So I love a good parody movie.

595
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,440
So yes.
Anything else about Mr. T we

596
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,040
want to say I mean perfectly
cast.

597
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,040
I mean there.
I mean there is no other clever

598
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,080
Lang.
I mean, he was, he was perfect

599
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,720
for it.
I mean, who, who else at the

600
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,080
time could you have made as such
a as such a monster?

601
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,880
He's got the Mohawk.
He's got the look, he's got

602
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,000
them, you know, the mean persona
about him.

603
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080
He just, he just looks and
sounds nasty.

604
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,040
Yeah.
I mean, that's and he's and and

605
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,120
strong, you know.
Oh yeah.

606
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,440
When you see him, I mean, it's
like you're even afraid of it.

607
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,240
You're just watching the movie.
You don't want to get in the

608
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,160
ring with it.
Yeah, I mean, the only, the only

609
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,240
other people you could have
gotten to play that role would

610
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,080
have been like a professional
wrestler, which obviously those

611
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,960
guys can't act like Mr. T can.
So.

612
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Right, right.
But yeah, I mean, he was, he was

613
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,040
built for that role, like hands
down.

614
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,680
Yeah, All right.
And then last on the list, the

615
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,760
late, great Hulk Hogan as
Thunderlips, one of the

616
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,120
greatest.
You know, let's talk about the

617
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,000
names.
You know, Clubber Lang.

618
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,240
I mean, I'm sure that was his
nickname.

619
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880
He wasn't born.
His Mama didn't give that name.

620
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,560
If she did, if she did, she was
mad at him that day.

621
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,000
Let's see, his actual, you know,
techno name was James Kluber

622
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Lang.
It's like his Mama called him

623
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,800
named him James.
I'm calling him James.

624
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Anyway, so little Coming to
America reference there for you.

625
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680
But Hulk Hogan, that's which is
not his real name either.

626
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,960
Oops, Terry.
Terry Belia.

627
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,320
So known for his showmanship,
large physique and trademark

628
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,800
blonde American Fu Manchu
mustache and bandanas, Hogan

629
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,240
began training in 1977 with
Championship Wrestling from

630
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,840
Florida and achieved global
stardom after joining the WWF in

631
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240
1983.
His heroic All American persona

632
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,920
helped usher in the 80s
professional wrestling boom,

633
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,440
during which he headlined 8 of
the 1st 9 editions of WWFS

634
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,160
flagship annual event
WrestleMania and regularly

635
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,160
headlined Saturday Night's Main
Event.

636
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:59,240
His first reign as WWF Champion
lasted 1474 days, the third

637
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,320
longest in the title history,
and he became the first wrestler

638
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,560
to win back-to-back Royal
Rumbles in 1990 and 91.

639
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,480
So how did he get to this movie?
Terry Funk, a professional

640
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,200
wrestler who did stunts for the
Rocky movies, would recommend

641
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,640
Hulk Hogan to Stallone for the
role as the film's wrestler.

642
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Funk had previously had a role
in the 1970s Stallone movie

643
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Paradise Alley.
Outside of wrestling, Hogan

644
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,200
appeared in films such as No
Holds Barred and Suburban

645
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,280
Commando and starred into the
television shows including

646
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,360
Thunder in Paradise and Hogan
Knows Best.

647
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,000
The fight sequence between Rocky
and Thunder Lips took ten days

648
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040
to film.
That's crazy.

649
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,960
In the scene where Rocky body
slams the lips out of the ring,

650
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,440
Sylvester Phone admitted he
couldn't deadlift Hulk Hogan, so

651
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Hogan had to jump into his arms.
And then of course.

652
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,400
So it's just like wrestling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

653
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Hogan knew how to do that.
Come on.

654
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,240
I mean, he knew what he was
doing.

655
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,240
Yeah, I hope y'all brother.
Do you Do you really think Hogan

656
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,720
slammed Andre the Giant?
Right, right.

657
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,640
Right, but I.
Also, I also find it easier to

658
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,320
believe that Hogan could slam
Andre the Giant than to believe

659
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,600
that Andre the Giant could jump
that far.

660
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,440
Yeah.
I guess that is a big big big.

661
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,880
I think that I think the thing,
if I remember correctly with

662
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,880
Andre was he more or less leaned
into it and Hogan kind of just

663
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,120
powered him up a little bit when
he leaned into it because you're

664
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,560
right, he wasn't jumping off the
floor.

665
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,360
A last little fun fact, Hulk
Hogan was fired by WWF chairman

666
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,000
Vincent McMahon for accepting
the role of Thunderlips in the

667
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,840
film.
But because of Hogan's

668
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,040
popularity from the film,
McMahon's son Vince, good old

669
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Vince McMahon, who took over the
company, brought him back to the

670
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,880
WWF two years later and used
Hogan as the centerpiece of his

671
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,560
expansion in other parts of the
country.

672
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,520
This culminated in the first
WrestleMania in 1985, where Hulk

673
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Hogan teamed up with Mr. Yeah,
so and Mr. T was kind of he he

674
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,040
did he was in wrestling for a
little bit.

675
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,600
I know that I read, I think he
he was referee for like 1 of the

676
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,320
Wrestlemanias.
But then he also like did a

677
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,080
couple of he was in a couple of
the.

678
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,760
Thing with Mr. T when it came to
wrestling, was he he gotten with

679
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Hulk Hogan that they were doing
celebrity stuff for the

680
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,480
WrestleMania because it was so
big.

681
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,080
So he he brought in Mr. T so him
and Mr. T could fight.

682
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,600
I think it was Roddy Piper and
Cowboy Bob Orton Junior.

683
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:25,080
I think it was, if I remember
correctly anyway, then the

684
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,040
second one, he was in
WrestleMania 2 boxing Rowdy

685
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,920
Roddy Piper.
OK, so that that's where Mr. T

686
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,719
came in.
I don't know, he might have

687
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,840
refereed a Saturday Night's Main
event or something like that.

688
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,040
I don't know.
Maybe one of those things I

689
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,960
can't remember, but I remember
him from WrestleMania and

690
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,360
WrestleMania too.
For sure though.

691
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:49,639
Yeah, to me, like I know Hogan
not a great actor he's and that

692
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,440
role that role is kind of cheesy
too anyway.

693
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,520
But honestly it it in this film
that is so dramatic and serious,

694
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,760
like from the get go, like he
added some very much needed

695
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,120
levity to this film.
Yes, yes, yes, I love the

696
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,280
character of Thunder Lips.
I just, I love it.

697
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Yeah, I love the, you know, I
love the whole bit about, you

698
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,600
know, Rocky's trying to like
he's like Hills for charity.

699
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,080
Let's have some fun.
And Thunderlips is just like,

700
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,760
I'm about to just, you know,
beat you into a pulp and for all

701
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,800
these people.
And then when it's over, he's

702
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,080
like, you know, just great.
You know, it's like, you know,

703
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:26,600
contingential kids.
Well, sure, man.

704
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,720
Like he's, you know, he's like
all buddy buddy with him when

705
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,520
it's over.
And it's just like that.

706
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,960
And I'm I think that's one of
those things I remember from the

707
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,240
movie as a kid, Like I just
thought that was great.

708
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:38,360
Like for him to be like this
mean, you know, over the top

709
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,480
personality.
And then when the fight's over,

710
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,720
it's like, Oh yeah, let's, you
know, let's, we're best friends

711
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,440
now, you know, let's just go
hang out or whatever.

712
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,240
So it's all a part of the show.
All part of the show, yeah.

713
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,720
Let's get that Polaroid, as he
called it.

714
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Right.
Can we get that Polaroid now?

715
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Yeah, Yeah.
You know, Hulk Hogan.

716
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,560
Hulk Hogan almost wasn't what he
turned out to be if if things

717
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,720
had gone the way it was going.
Because when he get fired the

718
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:07,520
first time by Vince Senior, he
went to the AW, he went to the

719
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,200
AWA with Vern Gonya and Vern
Gonya just didn't know how to

720
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,160
use him right.
And he wouldn't give him I guess

721
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,160
either.
It was either he wouldn't put

722
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920
the belt on him right away or
wouldn't give him the money that

723
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,800
he wanted to keep him there.
And so he went ahead and either

724
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,280
cut him loose or he quit.
And that's when I, I guess it

725
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,160
will Vince.
I've always called him Vince

726
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,520
McMahon.
I never thought, I never think

727
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,800
about his father, but Vince
Junior, Vince the third, the

728
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,120
event, Vincent Kennedy McMahon,
when he said, you know, bring

729
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,640
him back and they brought him
back, you know, that's what

730
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,000
really set him off.
But he that almost didn't

731
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,680
happen.
If Vern Gonya had kept him and

732
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,480
pushed him the way he wanted to
at first, we may have never had

733
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,280
seen Hulkamania come around like
that.

734
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,160
And I did see Hulk Hogan.
He wrestled in, you know, back

735
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,640
in the day they were called
territories.

736
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,720
He wrestled in the territory
days in Memphis also, where

737
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,080
Jerry Lawler was running the
place there and he was there

738
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,720
with Brutus Beefcake and they
were attacked him called the

739
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,920
Boulder brothers, Ed and Terry
Boulder.

740
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,560
I mean, it's just a little fun
trivia for Hulk Hogan.

741
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,320
But you know, they were, they
were so terrible back then.

742
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,640
If you can see how they looked,
especially Brutus Beefcake with

743
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,240
that long blonde hair and the
little, little mustache on him

744
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,520
and everything.
Nothing like they were later on.

745
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,120
Did y'all see the movie Mr.
Nanny?

746
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Yes, unfortunately, yes, yes.
OK, so listen, this is one of

747
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,560
those movies that I haven't seen
in like, 30 years.

748
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:41,360
And I I, I remember it so fondly
that I don't want to watch it

749
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,880
again.
Like I'm afraid.

750
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,880
I want to keep those memories
that I have.

751
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,080
Like, I just, I loved watching
it when I was a kid.

752
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,240
I watched it so much.
Yeah.

753
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,200
That's just like an example of
Terry Terry Ballet's epic

754
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,000
acting.
But hey, that was, you know,

755
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,160
that's, I mean, it's commonplace
now for wrestlers to become

756
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,440
actors.
I mean, of course, you know, I

757
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,520
don't know if I mean Roddy Piper
was, you know, he he had his

758
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,120
foray.
I think the most lucrative has

759
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,040
been, you know, Dwayne the Rock
Johnson, of course.

760
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,840
And he's got, he's been the the
biggest breakout.

761
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,800
You know, Cena's doing OK.
But anyway, I just so, yeah, I

762
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,320
mean, and once again, Johnson,
yeah.

763
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,440
Johnson had his nanny moment and
we'll say he was the no fairy

764
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,080
the tooth.
Fairy yeah, overall pop culture

765
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,720
roulette, which Nicholas is a
frequent Co host on here.

766
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,800
Their most recent episode is
talking about the nanny Mr.

767
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,280
Nanny role like the movies about
like tough guys being like

768
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,680
babysitters, the beefcake
babysitter things like this.

769
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,120
So they talk about the pacifier,
Mr. nanny, all those whatever.

770
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,560
So kindergarten cop all those.
So yeah, became its own became

771
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,560
its own genre.
So all right, let's talk about

772
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,200
iconic scene.
So if someone said to you Rocky

773
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,720
three, what is the first scene
that pops in your head?

774
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Start with you, JB.
Dude honestly it's nothing.

775
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,400
Nothing compares.
It's Apollo and Rocky running on

776
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,320
the beach together.
Yep, like that scene right

777
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,040
there.
Honestly that's probably the

778
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,880
most iconic scene other than
running up the stairs.

779
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

780
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,920
Yeah.
Probably the most the second

781
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,800
most iconic scene in the entire.
Franchise like I just.

782
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,120
That's that camaraderie there,
those two guys that used to be

783
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,680
enemies that had two like, you
know, back-to-back fights

784
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,800
against each other.
But he took the belt from him

785
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,840
and everything, you know, like,
and the way that they came

786
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,480
together after Mickey's death
and just to see them, him

787
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,160
training Rocky and then running
on the beach together and then

788
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,320
jumping up, cheering on each
other like it was just a really

789
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,960
cool, iconic moment.
And I'll always remember it so.

790
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,840
Yeah, I agree.
What about you, Chris?

791
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,080
Same or I mean.
Well, I mean, I was going to say

792
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,960
the same, but I'm going to be
different since he said that

793
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,520
one.
Thanks a lot.

794
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,680
There's more than one.
Payback.

795
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,760
I can't think it.
I was like please pay me, please

796
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,120
pay me, please pay.
What that is, it's payback to me

797
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,520
because I mentioned I watched it
before and he hadn't seen it and

798
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160
he forgot to watch it, so he got
me back on that one, Right?

799
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,840
Right.
But yeah, you know, I mean, I

800
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,400
have to agree with him.
Definitely one of the most

801
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,360
iconic ones, but also one of the
first scenes that come to my

802
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,920
mind literally when you say
Rocky 3 is when they're in the

803
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,080
second fight and he's already
started taking the beating.

804
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,680
He's doing good to start jab jab
jab, you know, 1212 doing all

805
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,920
the movement around, but then
clever lane gets him in the

806
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,240
corner, starts whipping on him.
Right now he reverts back to the

807
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,280
old Rocky.
Well, when he starts taking, you

808
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,440
know, get like he's getting mad
and everything clever for forces

809
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200
them back in the corner again.
Then you get this little series

810
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,520
of punches and swings where he's
a Mr. T's swinging and missing

811
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,680
and he keeps ducking and ducking
and he's got to, he's throwing a

812
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,840
couple of punches, he's falling
back and ducking, throwing a

813
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,600
couple more punches.
And just that little little

814
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,760
tidbit of about 15 seconds, a
flurry of punches and ducks and

815
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,080
everything that does literally
pop in my mind when you say

816
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Rocky 3.
OK, Yeah.

817
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,240
That, you know, running on the
beach, which JB took from me,

818
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:07,760
so.
Yeah.

819
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,840
Oh yeah.
Yeah, yeah, the running on the

820
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,880
beach is probably the most
iconic.

821
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,320
Yeah.
I'm trying to think though, I'm

822
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,160
like, there's Faye.
I like, I'm think I'm trying to

823
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,520
think of my favorite scenes or
scenes that I really liked.

824
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,360
But yeah, most iconic is is
definitely that.

825
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,400
I mean, the unveiling of the
statue, you know, that becomes,

826
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,920
you know, he goes back to is
pretty big.

827
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,680
But yeah, I mean, the running on
the like and then the training

828
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,560
montage, you know, every, every
great rock rocking is, you know,

829
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,280
has a good training montage.
And this one, I didn't really

830
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,600
remember that much about it.
I remember the ones from the

831
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,400
first one.
I remember the ones of course,

832
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,120
the 1 from 4 is the most one I
remember the most because I've

833
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,400
seen that one more.
But yeah, I just, I love, I love

834
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,640
the training montage, watching
him improve.

835
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,320
But that's just, you know, it's
inspiring.

836
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,840
Like those those training
montages make you want to.

837
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,520
Like I want to get in shape now.
I don't.

838
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,760
But yeah, I want to chase
chickens, you know, or I want

839
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,760
to.
I want to run out of.

840
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Beach do it, but I.
Want.

841
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, once I put down this bag

842
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,920
of Oreos, I'm going to do it
you.

843
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,440
Know one of the thing the Rocky
movies have a lot of too, is

844
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,480
some like inspirational, you
know, motivational,

845
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,120
inspirational type speeches and
everything.

846
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,800
The the thing between him and
Adrian, they're on the beaches

847
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,360
is really pretty strong in the
movie.

848
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Yeah, you know, about getting
the truth out of him and then

849
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,200
breaking him down and saying
he's afraid and everything.

850
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,000
That that's, that's a really
strong scene, right?

851
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,320
There for favorite scenes.
I think watching it this time,

852
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,920
it made change every time I
watch it.

853
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,640
But that quickly rose to be my
favorite scene in the movie.

854
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Like that whole conversation.
Once again, Stallone, you can

855
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,640
say whatever you want about him,
is a great writer.

856
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,360
I mean, he knows how to write
good dialogue and he knows how

857
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,480
to direct.
Like I even think about like

858
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,120
when I saw that he wrote and
directed this one, I was like

859
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,960
just watching it, like how well
he makes movies.

860
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,840
I mean, he just doesn't, you
know, he does a good job.

861
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:06,360
So but that whole conversation
of her not pushing him, but her

862
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,120
knowing how to get him to say
that he was afraid.

863
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,680
He's afraid to fight because
he's angry that Mickey was only

864
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,960
having him fight has beens to
keep the title, and so which

865
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,440
made him doubt was he ever you
know, like he said, he made me

866
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,960
think I was better than I was,
you know, and so that I mean

867
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,840
that's just it's a great it's a
great struggle for the character

868
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,800
to have and for her to like get
him to finally let that out.

869
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,320
And once he lets it out and be
able to kind of process it, that

870
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,280
he can overcome it, you know, so
and then I love it.

871
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,320
She's like, you know, he's like,
what if I lose?

872
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Well, then you lose and and you
know, you'll know the truth.

873
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,240
You know, it's like it doesn't
matter if you win, but at least

874
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,560
at least try to know if you can
or not.

875
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,960
Don't not fight because you're
afraid you're going to lose.

876
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,240
So just, yeah, like I said, so
much inspirate.

877
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,760
Like that whole section is like
the inspiration after

878
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,400
inspiration after inspiration.
Yeah.

879
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,160
I mean, as you said, Stallone is
his, his writing in his, his

880
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,080
direction.
And he, I mean, he didn't direct

881
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,640
all of the movies in this
franchise, but he pretty much

882
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,760
did, yeah.
We it's well documented in this

883
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,400
podcast of the the director and
non director of Sylvester

884
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:20,880
Stallone.
Yeah.

885
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Yeah, but like, say what you
will about other even Rocky

886
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Five.
OK, Stallone knows how to tell a

887
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,240
story.
And in each, in each edition of

888
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:35,840
this franchise is like a
different stage of Rocky's life

889
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,640
that everybody can relate to.
Like, no matter, no matter,

890
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,600
like, and it's just, it's like
just represents the struggles

891
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,520
that we all deal with.
And so like, this is this.

892
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,040
This is the ageing superstar who
like kind of lost his edge and

893
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,800
kind of a little bit complacent
and everything like, well, we

894
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,840
all do that, you know?
Like, Oh yeah, yeah.

895
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,080
So like, he's just such a
freaking storyteller, man.

896
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,960
I just, I love it.
But just this this one is, you

897
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,360
know, always one of my
favorites.

898
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,280
And I'll and I love Stallone and
everything that he does.

899
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,240
He can also do some sneakers.
I get that too.

900
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:09,680
Yeah.
Yeah.

901
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,440
He's having fun.
He's not perfect.

902
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,640
He's not perfect, but that one
line we're talking about lines

903
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,240
that he said in this movie.
He said.

904
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,000
I pulled it up.
It ain't about how hard you hit.

905
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,520
It's about how hard you can get
hit and keep moving forward, how

906
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,640
much you can take and keep
moving forward.

907
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,640
That's how winning is done.
That's not about boxing, guys,

908
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,880
no.
No, that's that's.

909
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,840
That's about that's life like
that.

910
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,520
That's not his whole franchise,
man.

911
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,520
It's just like it's not about
boxing.

912
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,280
The first movie obviously is
not.

913
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,880
It's a love story.
That's why I was saying earlier

914
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,480
this whole, this whole
franchise, when it comes to

915
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,680
Rocky, it's a lot of
motivational, inspirational

916
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,880
stuff.
Oh yeah, yeah.

917
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,840
I mean, from the dialogue, he,
the speeches, he's given that to

918
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,040
like the one you just mentioned,
he's given to his son in Rocky

919
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,320
Balboa.
Even to some of his other stuff

920
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,000
he's in, like in some of the
Rambo films, he's done some

921
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,560
inspirational type stuff and
motivational type speeches and

922
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,400
everything.
He's probably one of my

923
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,440
favorites, if not my favorite
from the 80s.

924
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,920
When it comes to if I had to
pick one actor in his movies

925
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,800
from that, that decade.
I, it's, it's a close race with

926
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,280
him and Schwarzenegger, But I,
I, I, I give the edge just

927
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,320
alone, just because of the Rocky
franchise, if anything.

928
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was reading an article where

929
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:29,840
it was talking about, you know,
no matter the no matter whether

930
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,800
you love every Rocky movie or
not, each one has value.

931
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,440
Like they each tell a value.
They have moments of value or

932
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,160
moments of, like I said,
inspiration, like they're, they

933
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,560
have their place in in the
franchise, which you can't say

934
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,320
for all franchises that have
gone that long.

935
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,720
So, and I kind of agree that,
you know, and I even heard

936
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,200
Someone Like, You know, sidebar,
but like even with Star Wars,

937
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,440
there's a great Star Wars movies
and there's some terrible Star

938
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Wars movies, but every Star Wars
movie will have that Star Wars

939
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,920
moment where you're like, yes,
I'm watching a Star Wars be

940
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,720
like, if there's there, there's
a distinction to them that sets

941
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,840
them apart from any other type
of movie, whether the movie is

942
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,680
great or not.
The same thing with Rocky, Like

943
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,160
there's moments in every Rocky
movie that like, yes, this is a

944
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,560
Rocky movie.
If it's inspirational speech, if

945
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,400
it's, you know, the come from
behind victory or whatever that

946
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,040
might be, you know, they all
have merit and they're all

947
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,480
there's all, there's something
in them that make them worth

948
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,000
watching, even if you're going
to love some.

949
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,920
It's a it's an underdog story,
man.

950
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,320
Yeah.
One of the greatest underdog

951
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,360
stories ever.
Which is why it's been

952
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,800
replicated and parodied so many
times because, you know, but I

953
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,000
mean, every just about every
sports movie isn't a real sports

954
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,520
movie unless it's the underdog
that has to that has to win, has

955
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,000
to come from behind and win in
the end.

956
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,960
So when in the end.
I knew that.

957
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,200
I knew that was coming.
I knew that's my first thought I

958
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,840
had was like someone's about to
say it.

959
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,320
Yeah, yeah.
All right.

960
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,440
Any other favorite scenes you
want to talk about?

961
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,840
There's a couple of funny scenes
in it.

962
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,040
Well, I mean, for me, there's a
couple of funny scenes.

963
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,800
It's very end.
There's a There's a reference

964
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,720
made to a favor being owed
throughout.

965
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:13,160
The movie.
Yes, yes, yes.

966
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,520
And then at the end, we find out
what the favor is.

967
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,560
Him and Apollo are walking into
an empty gym in their, in their

968
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,880
fighting, you know, year and
everything.

969
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,680
And they're circling the ring
and they're talking each other

970
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,360
like they're kind of just like,
it's like low grade trash talk,

971
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,680
right?
It's not really serious.

972
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,880
And he's like, you want to ring
the bell?

973
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,240
And he's like Ding, Ding, Ding.
You.

974
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,320
Know that one and when they
first get to the place they're

975
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:45,960
going to train at and and and
Polly is just having a fit.

976
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,080
This is this is below our
standards.

977
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Rock, we got to go, you know, we
got to leave and don't have a

978
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,520
gun, you know, and they get into
the place in there and he's

979
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,080
telling him, says Rock, we got
to get out of here.

980
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,240
I got a reputation, man.
He goes, I don't like these

981
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,080
people.
And he looked at him and he

982
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,440
goes, well, maybe they don't
like you so much neither.

983
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,000
And he goes, what I do to them.
Right.

984
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,040
Yeah.
You know, it's like, what?

985
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,760
Not you to say, well, what do
they do to you?

986
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,320
Right, exactly.
I have.

987
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,400
I had that as that was one of my
lines out with my dialogue that

988
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,840
I was going to talk about my
that's probably my favorite

989
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,080
little piece of like for humor.
Like, yeah, it's like, well, you

990
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,080
know what?
Maybe they don't like you

991
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,560
either.
What they ever do to them and

992
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,360
they call me punchy is what he
tells Adrian.

993
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,640
That's what he tells is perfect,
is perfect, like and once again,

994
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,160
just a great, you know, just a
great truth moment.

995
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,320
Like, you know, let Polly be
Polly, but in that moment, like

996
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,280
teach him a lesson too.
So I love it.

997
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,080
I love it, yeah.
One line that I liked, that it's

998
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,280
very, very subtle, but it's it's
just clever.

999
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,240
The way it was written and the
way it was said was when they

1000
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:51,720
were getting in that ring at the
end and Apollo says Saraki says

1001
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,640
you fight great, but I'm a great
fighter.

1002
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,280
Yeah.
Yeah.

1003
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,360
Like I thought that was just a
really cool, clever line for

1004
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,880
them to use in that.
But then that that obviously

1005
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,920
Thunder Lips is one of my
favorite scenes too.

1006
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,600
He's.
Got some great lines too, yeah.

1007
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,760
He's got he's got some good
ones, but when he's fighting

1008
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,160
clever Lane and he's letting
clever lane just like Waylay on

1009
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,360
it, he's and he's up in his face
and he's saying, come on, hit me

1010
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,640
again, you ain't so bad.
Come on.

1011
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,480
That's just I love it, man.
It's so good.

1012
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,040
My Mama just egging him on like,
you know, you hurt the ego get

1013
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,920
like get him, get him riled up
so.

1014
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Yeah, Come on, champ.
Come on.

1015
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:31,280
Hit me in the face.
Come on.

1016
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,520
Yeah, well, you tell me.
He tells me, he says.

1017
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,960
You crazy, man.
You crazy.

1018
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,600
You said I might be crazy but I
am breathing heavy.

1019
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,120
Yep.
Yeah, All right, cool.

1020
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,560
So let's let's jump into some
trivia and other scenes and

1021
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,680
start wrapping it up.
So in a 79 interview with Roger

1022
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,680
Ebert, Stallone discussed an
entirely different vision for

1023
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,320
Rocky Three.
He was originally to be the IT

1024
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,400
was originally to be the final
Rocky installment.

1025
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Stallone said he contemplated
having Rocky's last fight in the

1026
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Coliseum in Rome, going so far
as to tell Ebert he wanted to

1027
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,520
arrange in a arrange and film a
real audience with Pope John

1028
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,920
Paul, the second in character as
Rocky to include in the film.

1029
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,640
A year later, he was still
debating how Rocky three would

1030
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,960
end and told Ebert.
If I have the nerve, if I have

1031
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,880
real nerve, Rocky should die at
the end of the third film.

1032
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:27,120
Of course, that didn't happen.
Don't want that.

1033
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,960
So.
Can't bring the Pope into this

1034
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,200
girl.
The blonde groupie who flirts

1035
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,360
with Rocky during his public
training session.

1036
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,920
That's Sasha Stallone, his first
wife.

1037
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,480
She's also the mother of Sage
Stallone, who later played Rocky

1038
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Son and Rocky and passed away
not too long ago.

1039
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,480
Yeah, I look, this is I don't
doubt this.

1040
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,840
This is one of my favorites.
According to Sylvester Stallone,

1041
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,920
Mr. T and Carl Weathers did not
get along during filming and

1042
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,320
we're went went at each other on
numerous occasions.

1043
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,360
This is evident during the scene
where Apollo approaches Lang's

1044
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,640
corner, attempts to shake hands,
Lang knocks his hand away and

1045
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,840
goads him.
This was moments after the pair

1046
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,080
had a dispute on set before
shooting the scene.

1047
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,560
So just take that anger and put
it on film.

1048
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,160
So I think that that.
Works Carl.

1049
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,760
Carl Weathers didn't get along
with Dolph Lundgren either.

1050
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,520
They said in the 4th 1.
Probably not.

1051
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,280
Ross Lugger was probably too
smart for everybody anyway.

1052
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,480
Probably so.
Dude is like legitimately a

1053
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:25,240
rocket.
Science.

1054
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:28,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, he's not as dumb as he

1055
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:29,720
looks.
Yeah.

1056
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,200
And he can kick people's butts.
I mean, martial artist.

1057
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,440
I mean, he's a genius.
Did you know the trivia about

1058
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,880
the Eye of the Tiger in the song
that they originally wanted for

1059
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,760
the movie?
Yes, but you can go ahead.

1060
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,440
They you're the best that was in
The Karate Kid was originally

1061
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,320
meant for Rocky 3, but they they
they turned it down because he

1062
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,520
had specifically got survivor to
do eye of the tiger for it.

1063
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,400
But then funny enough, you're
the huh, I'll say, but then

1064
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,560
funny enough that you're the
best got shopped around a little

1065
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,240
bit, I guess, before it reached
Karate Kid.

1066
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:09,000
But they tried to that they
tried to put it in flashdance as

1067
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000
well.
I don't know where it would have

1068
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,520
fit in in flashdance.
I've I don't know.

1069
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,880
I'm not sure about that, but you
know, then it originally ended

1070
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,640
up being Karate Kid, obviously.
But do you know why Stallone

1071
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,680
went to Sorry?
Do you know why Stallone went to

1072
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,840
Survivor to write a song?
Because he couldn't get Queen

1073
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,360
the song from Queen.
He wanted another one Bites the

1074
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,320
dust.
That was a song he really

1075
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,520
wanted.
Yeah.

1076
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,640
The I think the songwriter for
Eye the Tiger said he when they

1077
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,320
watched the early, you know,
early cut of the film, he had

1078
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,240
already put another One Bites
the Dust in that scene.

1079
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,360
And they're like, how are we
going to write a better song

1080
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,520
than this?
Like it's perfect.

1081
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,560
And they still ended up doing
it.

1082
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,200
So they did, yeah, they did like
honestly.

1083
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,880
And, and I've got to know, does
this make everyone's top five

1084
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,640
like the Eye of the Tiger as far
as like movie soundtrack epic?

1085
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,640
By far.
Oh yeah, yeah.

1086
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,040
Songs from movie soundtrack,
yeah.

1087
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,520
And then and then the Rocky 4
soundtrack itself probably is up

1088
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,240
there.
Top five soundtracks, probably.

1089
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,440
Yeah, I agree with that.
They've always had good music in

1090
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,280
the Rocky movie.
But even that Bill Conti score

1091
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,480
man is just.
Oh my gosh, yes, I'm glad you

1092
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,800
brought.
All of them, Yeah, Gonna fly

1093
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,320
now.
That kind of runs through like

1094
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,840
the entire franchise.
So good.

1095
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,800
So good.
I mean, that like the training,

1096
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,240
the training montage is not what
it is without that score behind

1097
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,560
it.
I mean, it's it, it they,

1098
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,360
they're paired so well together.
Yeah.

1099
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,960
But yeah, the score in this is
is phenomenal.

1100
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,520
And, you know, because then in
four, it's not really, there's

1101
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,640
not really much of A score.
It's all, you know, pop music

1102
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,440
and music videos.
But yeah, the Mt, the MTV

1103
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,680
version of Rocky.
But go ahead.

1104
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,240
But then in 4 though, you've got
the Vince Ticola stuff, which is

1105
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,200
great fanfare from fanfare from
Rocky and what they call it,

1106
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,880
war.
Then you get the the whole

1107
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,080
training sequence that they had
with that.

1108
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,600
I mean, it's really good stuff
for that too.

1109
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,480
So I don't know what I like
better, the time I do the Vince

1110
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,360
Ticola or the, what's the name,
Bill Conte?

1111
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,360
So I say Tom Bill Conte.
I can't make my mind which ones

1112
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,240
I like better.
But I mean, they're, they're

1113
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,600
great all around.
I think they both work for what

1114
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,560
they're in.
You know, it was a different,

1115
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,240
you know, Bill Conte like that.
That score matches the time like

1116
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,200
82.
I really for for some reason, I

1117
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,160
thought it's to come out in 83,
but it's 82.

1118
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,400
But it's really supposed to be
set in 79 because the first

1119
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,920
Rocky like Rocky one and two are
supposed to be like within the

1120
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,840
same year.
And this is only supposed to be

1121
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,480
like 2 years after that.
So technically this is like

1122
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,400
supposed to be set in 79.
But when they show Mickey's

1123
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,000
tombstone, it shows that he died
in 82.

1124
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,720
So or 81 I think.
But anyway, I digress.

1125
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,240
But yeah.
So the last little bit of

1126
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:58,600
trivia, the rest will be in the
show notes.

1127
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,080
Rocky's rematch against Clover
laying in the film is the

1128
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,760
shortest fight in the entire
franchise.

1129
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,920
Unlike previous battles that
went the full 15 rounds, this

1130
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,280
one ends in just three rounds,
proving that Rocky wasn't

1131
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,360
messing around after training
with Apollo.

1132
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,160
So yeah, he's gets the knockout
in the third round, which

1133
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,040
doesn't Doesn't Clover Lane
knock him out in the second

1134
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,160
round in the first fight?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1135
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,080
So even that was short.
All right, Box office, you have

1136
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,560
to go during the moment.
No.

1137
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,920
Yeah, exactly.
So Rocky 3 was released during

1138
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,840
the Memorial Day weekend of
1982, taking the top spot of the

1139
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,800
box office as it was the only
new release for the weekend.

1140
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,960
It the next week it dropped a
second place behind Star Trek 2,

1141
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,640
The Wrath of Khan and was
dropped the the 3rd place behind

1142
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,480
Wrath of Khan and ET the
Extraterrestrial during his

1143
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,440
third weekend.
It went on to be an enormous box

1144
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,680
office success and surpassed the
gross of the predecessor, and I

1145
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,120
think it was like the third or
fourth highest grossing movie

1146
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,320
for that year.
All right, now it's time to take

1147
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,400
a look at how well this 80s
flick holds up today.

1148
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,400
The All New Rewatch Ability
Nostalgia Meter is our way of

1149
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,120
measuring how enjoyable movie is
for repeat viewings along with

1150
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,160
the waves nostalgia it brings.
Here's how it works.

1151
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,440
It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and

1152
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,360
10:00 will do.
Here are a few parameters to

1153
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,680
help you decide.
At the bottom of the meter is a

1154
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,600
#1, which means I saw it once
and that was enough.

1155
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,360
Right in the middle at 5.
It's a good rewatch every couple

1156
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,520
of years.
And the highly coveted #10 at

1157
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,080
the top of the meter says it's
highly rewatchable and full of

1158
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,720
nostalgia.
So JB, we'll start with you.

1159
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,040
Where does Rocky 3 land for you
on the rewatch ability nostalgia

1160
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,520
meter?
Where's the Billy Bob?

1161
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,160
I give it a 10A10?
A 10.

1162
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,320
Oh my God can I tell you I had
the exact same thought that you

1163
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,360
just did like 30 seconds ago.
I wasn't going to say it though,

1164
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,640
I wasn't going to, but dude I
thought that exact same thing

1165
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,880
come to mind.
I got the right man.

1166
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,400
This episode, Yeah, well, dude,
that's amazing.

1167
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,080
Honestly, man, like it's, it's
just one of those the entire

1168
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,520
franchise really.
And and I'm if I'm going to

1169
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,520
watch the franchise, I'm not
going to skip 5 either.

1170
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,200
I could I could watch them like
over and over and over and I

1171
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,160
have watched them over and over
and over again, right, right and

1172
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:22,960
and the first four and Rocky
Balboa yes, like and and and

1173
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,040
Creed one and two.
Honestly like I could

1174
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,280
legitimately watch all of those
movies like on repeat.

1175
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,240
Yeah, yeah.
So good.

1176
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,520
Props to Ryan Coogler for
finding a way to, you know, give

1177
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,240
more life to the Rocky franchise
with the Creed movies.

1178
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,520
Because, yeah, I like the first
one a lot better than the second

1179
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,000
one.
Even the second one is still

1180
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,240
great.
It Yeah, I agree with you the.

1181
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,840
Second one was like a sequel to
Rocky 4, though, to me.

1182
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why I liked it so much,

1183
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,120
because I love Rocky Four.
Yeah, Creed 3's not very good.

1184
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,000
No, no.
Yeah, yeah, it it.

1185
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,240
Anyway.
It could have been.

1186
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,360
I mean, it had the potential,
but it just, it lacked a few

1187
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,160
things.
But we're not going to talk

1188
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,400
about that right now.
But yeah. 40 years later.

1189
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,720
It's also the one that still
owns Not Able, but I digress.

1190
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,440
But anyway, so Chris, what about
you?

1191
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,640
Where does it ring for you?
It's got a solid 8 for me.

1192
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,680
I I do like watching it.
I, I don't watch it every year,

1193
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,080
but I mean I do like to re watch
it like earlier.

1194
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,920
I, I did skip through a couple
things earlier because I was

1195
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,520
short for time and I didn't want
to, you know, not see the end of

1196
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,840
it for sure before we did this.
So I kind of, you know, hit the

1197
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,400
little 10 second jump for a few
times here and there.

1198
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,800
But yeah, it's it's definitely
very rewatchable for me and very

1199
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,680
nostalgic as well.
I mean, just for the fact of Mr.

1200
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,520
T being in it and Hulk Hogan
being in it.

1201
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,240
You know, the the training, like
we said earlier, the montage of

1202
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,880
training there and just me
remembering the fact, like I

1203
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,440
told you earlier, that I always
get on that video disc thing and

1204
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,480
flip it over, just watch the
backside of it every time, you

1205
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,640
know, just just for the good
stuff, you know, So it always

1206
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,640
makes me remember that.
Definitely full of nostalgic.

1207
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,920
Awesome.
Yeah, I think I'm right in the

1208
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,640
middle.
Lately I've been in the middle

1209
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,680
of my 2 Co host, but yeah, I'm
it's not as high as a 10 for me

1210
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,240
only because like for the same
reason I don't watch it every

1211
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,840
year.
It's an it is rewatchable, but

1212
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,560
it's not one that I do rewatch
that often.

1213
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,400
And once again, I've seen Rocky
4 probably way more than I've

1214
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,280
seen Rocky 3.
But once again, I think this one

1215
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,400
might be just a little bit
better than Rocky 4, but but I I

1216
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,520
would watch them both anytime
I'm going to give it about a

1217
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,120
8.5.
I think it's pretty it's pretty

1218
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,720
close to a nine for me.
So I'll give it a nine.

1219
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,080
So it's it lands right in the
middle.

1220
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,800
But but highly, you know,
nostalgia is very high.

1221
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,080
Like I said, is the first Rocky
movie that ever saw.

1222
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,080
I guess what introduced me to
the character to the franchise

1223
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,200
and it's great to revisit.
So so I got a 8 from Chris and

1224
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,800
9:00 for me and A10 from JB.
So I think it ranked very, very

1225
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,800
well, much higher than than
others that we've we've covered.

1226
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,080
So but let us know where you
think Rocky 3 should rank on the

1227
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,640
rewatchability nostalgia meter
for you.

1228
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,400
You can send us an e-mail, let
us know on social media, or you

1229
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,960
can put a comment right here on
this YouTube video if you're

1230
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,920
watching us on YouTube.
Well, Chris and JB, I appreciate

1231
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,200
you guys being on this episode.
Always a pleasure to have you

1232
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,000
both on the show.
Chris, what you got coming up on

1233
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,560
Retro Life for you let's.
See when is this going to drop

1234
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,880
of this Friday, this this
upcoming Friday.

1235
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,200
So I will probably when this
drops quickly down under, we'll

1236
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,920
be dropping the day before on
Thursday.

1237
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,440
Sell it, yeah.
Yeah, it was a fun movie.

1238
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,720
Yeah, Yep, I saw that one in
the.

1239
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,800
Theatre, I remember that. 1-2
episodes after that back-to-back

1240
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,640
would be an interview with Keith
Cook, and then I'm going to have

1241
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:57,920
my friend already on with me and
we're bringing on Keith Coogan

1242
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,960
to talk the movie Toy Toy
Soldiers.

1243
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,800
Man, good old Coogan.
Yeah, I had I got to interview

1244
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,520
him very briefly a couple like
last year, I think it was.

1245
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,160
But he's he's a fun guy, so and
talking about.

1246
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,560
Toy soldiers going to be good.
He's definitely fun.

1247
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,040
I had him on once before just to
talk about all his movies and

1248
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,640
everything and it was fun.
But you know, this is the toy

1249
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,680
Soldier specific.
We didn't get to talk about toy

1250
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,800
Soldiers a lot when he was on
the first time.

1251
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,440
And I had mentioned to him about
possibly coming on the future

1252
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,920
for that.
And he said just let him know

1253
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,120
so.
And sure enough, he, he, he

1254
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,320
remembered me and he said, yeah,
I'd love to.

1255
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,160
We will do that.
So it's going to be fun.

1256
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,520
Looking forward to them.
Very cool.

1257
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,520
All right, JB, Manly movies.
Do we have a resurrection date

1258
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,280
yet?
We don't have a resurrection

1259
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,720
date yet, but I'm just going to
just, I'm going to shift gears,

1260
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,400
OK, and and mention my other
podcast.

1261
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,160
Yeah, do that.
Yeah, we're getting to college

1262
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,040
football time.
College football is starting and

1263
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,720
I've I started a podcast and
it's starting up its eighth

1264
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:09,520
season this this coming year.
And I'm not the actual host

1265
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,840
anymore because I've kind of
given that over to someone else.

1266
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,720
But I am on the show
periodically and I'm I'm gonna

1267
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,200
try to get on there every week
this time.

1268
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,720
But anyway, we're starting up.
Got the preseason show coming up

1269
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,440
this week, which I will be
recording tomorrow.

1270
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,240
I don't know when this will be
dropping.

1271
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,760
I know you probably just said
that, but yeah, so yeah, we're

1272
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,800
going into our 8th season of
this this podcast.

1273
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,200
And so I do have a podcast that
I've started that has been

1274
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,440
continuing to go right.
I just haven't been hosting it

1275
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,360
for the last couple.
Years.

1276
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,840
Is this college football in
general or you get a specific

1277
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:48,120
team you're focused on?
It is the SEC Tavern talk.

1278
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,000
So it's about SEC was not, I
mean, it's football, but we we

1279
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,960
do try to do some March Madness
shows and if one of our teams is

1280
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,200
in the College World Series, we
discuss that and we and we have

1281
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,120
some offseason stuff, but it's
mostly college football because

1282
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,280
that's what the SEC.
Fans so you did pick the best

1283
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,640
conference at least, so that's
good.

1284
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,760
There you go.
Thank you.

1285
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,760
Who you representing over there,
Chris?

1286
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,720
I ain't talking about it.
Let's just say my father raised

1287
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,720
me watching the local team and I
live in Nashville or I was just

1288
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,160
outside of Nashville.
Hey, we got a good baseball

1289
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,080
team, so it's.
OK, They get some decent

1290
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,400
basketball, you know, I mean,
and good graduation rates.

1291
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,760
That's right.
And one of these days, and then

1292
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,040
the rest of those teams can't
talk about us because one day

1293
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,040
they either have to work for us
or we're going to represent them

1294
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,640
in Court One of the other.
Dude, I'll I love Bandy.

1295
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,480
I don't care.
I've I'll always cheer for

1296
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,680
Bandy.
Speaking of rooting for the

1297
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:45,400
underdogs, there you go.
Watching them beat Alabama last

1298
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,360
year was very satisfying.
It'll never.

1299
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,840
Hey, y'all, honestly, they
looked like they were going to

1300
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,040
have a good run when James
Franklin was there and then he

1301
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,920
left.
I was like, man, dude, you have

1302
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,000
some good going.
But you can't blame him, though.

1303
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,280
Penn State.
I mean, that's a dream job for

1304
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,320
everybody.
I get it.

1305
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,160
All right, a good deal.
Go check out.

1306
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,440
What's it called again, JB?
I'm sorry.

1307
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,080
SEC Tavern.
Tavern Talk.

1308
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,760
I remember the Tavern talk part
SEC and of course Retro life for

1309
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,560
you with Chris and great
episodes.

1310
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,840
And even if you want to go back
and find the old episodes of

1311
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,080
manly movies, listen us talk
about Tango and Cash if you're a

1312
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,640
big Stallone fan.
We had a lot of fun talking

1313
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,200
about that one, so.
Rocky 1 is on there as.

1314
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,280
Well, all right, Yes, There you
go.

1315
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,960
There you go.
Tango and Cash, Cash and tango.

1316
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,120
Love it.
All right, well, if you enjoyed

1317
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,400
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1318
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,080
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1319
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,720
so you never miss an episode.
Jump online and visit the

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website 80s flickflashback.com
and RT public store for some

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awesome 80s flick flashback
merch and original designs.

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Thanks everyone for tuning in.
Thank you Chris and JB for being

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here.
I'm Tim Williams for the 80s

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flick flashback podcast.
Nothing is real if you don't

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believe in who you are.