#141 - "Halloween III: Season of the Witch" (1982) with Nicholas Pepin

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For years, the absence of
Michael Myers, Lori Strode, and

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Dr. Loomis caused many fans of
the Halloween movies to feel

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confused, reject the film, or
even become angry.

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However, as time has passed,
those emotions have eased and

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the film has been re evaluated
on its own merits.

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While John Carpenter's original
masterpiece is widely seen as

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the peak of the franchise, this
80s sequel is for some, not us,

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but for some, the film that best
captures the spirit of the

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Halloween season.
By blending elements of the

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ancient past with the modern
American celebrations and

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cultural rituals, it creates A
tapestry that depicts the spooky

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season in a way few horror
movies have even achieved.

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The clock is ticking.
Being in front of your TV sets

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for the horrathon, followed by
the big giveaway.

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Don't miss it.
And don't forget to wear your

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masks.
The clock is ticking, It's

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almost time for Nicholas Pepin
and I discuss Halloween 3, the

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season of the Witch from 1982,
on this episode of the 80s Flick

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Flashback Podcast.
Welcome in everybody.

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Thanks so much for joining us
for the 80s Flick Flashback

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podcast.
I am your host Tim Williams.

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I am so happy, happy, happy to
have a returning guest coast for

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tonight's very strange
investigation to unravel the

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secrets of the Silver Shamrock
Novelties company.

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I needed a partner with a mind
sharp enough to resist the

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hypnotic final commercial.
He's no automaton spouting the

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same old opinions.
He's the real deal, a man who

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can spot a conspiracy a mile
away.

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And he's here to help me figure
out if this movie was a

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brilliant, deadly trick or a
misunderstood holiday treat.

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Please welcome back to the show
from Pop Culture Roulette with

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his mask Ready, Nicholas Pepin.
How you doing Nicholas?

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You know, I was trying to come
up with something quickly, but I

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got nothing.
I'm just going to go with.

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It's somewhere in between.
Yeah, yeah, I will say so

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little, little Fact Check here
if you, if you're not a long

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standing listener of the
podcast, Ron West and I covered

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Halloween 2 very early in the
podcast, probably like season

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one or two.
And we had planned to do season,

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you know, part three, season of
the witch the next year and he

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was not a fan.
This is before Nicholas came on.

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I think he was not a fan of it.
And I watched and it was like, I

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don't even want to talk about
this movie.

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I'm just going to skip it all
together.

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And I was like, I'll never do it
for the podcast.

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But here we are three or four
years later and the summer of

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sequels, we're doing part threes
of sequels released in the 80s.

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We've done every other Halloween
movie except for this one.

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So I was like, I'm just going to
I'm going to put on the

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calendar.
I'm going to suck it up and I'm

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going to do it.
I will say watching it this

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time, it wasn't as terrible as I
remembered it Still not great,

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but it wasn't as terrible.
There's still a lot of things

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that don't make any sense and
are like which we'll talk about.

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But it yeah, I think going in
knowing that that Michael Myers

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isn't going to be in it helps to
kind of like, you know, ease

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some of the the disappointment
in it.

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But it's still not a great
movie.

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I mean, I'm going to jump
throughout a little bit here.

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Go for it.
Had this movie had any other

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title?
Literally any other title.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's not the I mean, it's not

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the worst movie.
Like it's not it's but it it's

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putting the word Halloween in
front of it after having done

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two really successful Michael
Meyer movies.

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Right, right.
And then a really confusing

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subtitle.
Yeah, that really doesn't make

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any sense.
It I think you just, you kind of

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shot yourself in the foot and
then and you've already covered

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the Halloween movies.
So we know where four goes back

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to, right?
Right.

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Yeah.
And I think, you know, and I

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think there's a reason why the
anthology idea that John

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Carpenter had died immediately.
Yeah, yeah.

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Seemed like a good idea at the
time.

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So all right, well before we get
into storage and pre production,

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let's let's let's stick with the
the format.

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So Nicholas, when did you see
Halloween 3 for the very first

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time?
A couple of years ago.

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Yeah.
I think we, I don't know.

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I know we I think I've talked
about a horror, a couple horror

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movies.
Yeah.

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Because I've done at least one
Friday the 13th of year.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So growing up, I wasn't really
allowed to watch horror movies.

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Right, right.
So a lot of this stuff is new to

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me just because of that.
And I, I had done Halloween on

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my own show through horror
through the decades.

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And so I was like, oh, and then
you, you were talking about

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Halloween and some, one of the
other podcasts I listened to was

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talking about Halloween.
So I was like, I'm going to

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watch 3.
Knowing what it was ahead of

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time helped.
Right, right.

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But you know, like, I'm glad I
didn't watch it without prior

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knowledge because I think that
I'd gone into it going this is a

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Halloween movie.
I would have been really angry.

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Like everybody that went to the
theater in 1982.

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Yeah, exactly.
So I you know it, Yeah.

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So a couple years ago I watched
it for the first time and then

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watched it again on Saturday
night through definite legal

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streaming ways.
Sure, same here.

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It was on a website that set
free.

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Yes, it was.
And archive.

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So yes, anyway, moving on.
Yeah, I I had not seen it until,

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like I said, a couple years ago
when I watched it to originally

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do it for the podcast.
I had never seen it before then.

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I don't think I'd even seen bits
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It's not when they're going to
run, you know, on AMC every

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hollow like I think they run
every other Halloween movie on

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AMC every Halloween, but not
this one.

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So this isn't one that I
remember like being on TV as a

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kid or any of that.
Like I I remember nothing of

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this movie from my childhood.
All I knew was like the cover,

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the the poster on the cover and
the masks.

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But so I guess we're kind of
both the same with this.

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How long has it been since you
watched it before you watch it

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for the podcast?
That was my last time for me,

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you know.
I think I've seen it two times

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total now.
Yeah, same.

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So yeah, we're right there in
the same boat.

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So yeah, I can see where this
one's going to land on the

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rewatch ability nostalgia meter
already.

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But we'll we'll we'll we'll save
that for the end like we

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normally do.
So story origin of pre

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production.
I, you know, made this much

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shorter than instead of talking
about way too much stuff.

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So nice brief history.
The behind the scenes story of

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the first anthology attempt is
just as wild as the film itself.

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Carpenter and Hill initially
tapped Joe Dante, fresh off the

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Howling, to direct.
Dante, in turn, suggested

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legendary British sci-fi writer
Nigel Neil for the script.

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In a fun twist, Neil accepted
the job despite openly disliking

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the first two Halloween films.
However, the creative team was a

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revolving door.
Dante soon departed to film a

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segment for Twilight Zone The
Movie, and Tommy Lee Wallace

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stepped in to direct.
Wallace was an old hand, having

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served as production designer on
the original Halloween, and it

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famously turned down directing
Halloween too, because he hated

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the script.
Didn't learn his lesson that

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time, huh?
Apparently not.

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The writing process was even
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Neil delivered a script focused
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studio producers wanted more
gore.

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After clashing with Carpenter
and Wallace over revisions, Neil

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walked, demanding his name be
removed entirely from the

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project.
Carpenter and Wallace both

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performed rewrites, leading
Wallace to later joke that his

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sole writing credit on the film
is quote just about the most

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inaccurate credit you could ever
conceive of.

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End quotes.
Yeah.

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I didn't notice that.
Like, you know, his name was,

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you know, written and directed
by Tommy Lee Wallace.

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But from what I understand, it's
very much most, like 75 to 80%

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of the movie is what Neil wrote.
And he just added a few things

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to it, but it's basically the
same story.

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OK, yeah, I mean it, it's it's a
mess.

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So.
You can blame them all, you can

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blame one.
It doesn't matter.

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I think you know, they all get
they all get equal credit for

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you know what it became.
So anything else that you had

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read about pre production that
you feel is worth?

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Other other than the fact that I
mean, John Carpenter, and I'm

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sure you covered this on the
second one, but it does bear

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repeating, is that he originally
even from the get go, wanted to

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do Halloween as an anthology
series, but the studio kind of

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forced him into doing Michael
Myers to the second one, Part 2.

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But he had always conceived this
to be just a series of scary

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movies under one title, which
sounds like a really cool idea.

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But I guess when you do so well,
when the first one, people kind

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of want to see more of that.
Right, right.

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Yeah, exactly.
Because, you know, as we've

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talked about before, Michael
Myers kind of started that trend

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of the slasher.
You know, we wouldn't have Jason

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Voorhees if we didn't have
Michael Myers, wouldn't have

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Freddy Krueger.
If we didn't have Michael, we

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wouldn't have Chucky.
Like all of these, you know, the

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slasher icons that we now know
would not have, you know, Friday

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the 13th was basically, you
know, Sean S Cunningham wanting

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to get in on the money that
Halloween made.

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So he basically made the same
type, like use the same template

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of a movie of a crazy killer
psycho killer killing teenagers

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and just put it at a camp
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So yeah.
But this was not that at all.

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This is this does feel like
watching it again.

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It's like it is not a slasher
movie at all.

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It's completely outside of what
you expect.

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It's more, you know, like that
sci-fi.

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And what what struck me is how
gore less it really was.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you could almost show

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this movie unedited on TV.
Well, for sure there's like.

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It gets a little.
Creepy, but it's not there's.

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Like one or two scenes you might
have to cut or do a little fancy

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editing.
Yeah, but for the most part,

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like you could get away with
showing this one on TV unedited.

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Yeah, yeah, wait, I'm I'm sure
yeah 'cause there's really,

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there's really not, you know,
the, the Android spoiler alert

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there and Androids and you know,
can you say Android?

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I've done this before Lucas
copyright or trademarked

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androids that makes money
anytime you use the term.

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But if you didn't know that I'd
anyway that's I won't, I won't I

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won't go to.
That I think they only refer to

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them as automatons in this
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There you go.
That was the that was the term I

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was looking for.
But yeah, so they don't even

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bleed.
It's like concentrated orange

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juice is actually what they use
for like the the orange goo that

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comes out of their mouths and
their bodies.

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But yeah, it's and, and even
like that first kill at the

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beginning when the guys running
with the mask and the robot

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person like crushes his like
nasal cavity.

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Like I like, I don't even really
know what he did.

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He just like, pushed his hand on
the guy's face until it kind of.

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Like crushed away.
At least the copy I watched,

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they kind of cut.
Like they kind of cut up and you

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hear the noise, yes, you don't
really see it.

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No, no, so and it's and it's
funny because even some of those

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scenes where like it, it went
for the goal, like the quote UN

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quote gore felt out of place,
like it didn't fit the rest of

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the movie.
You know what I'm saying?

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Like I could understand, like I
never understood why.

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And we're, we're way ahead, but
we're just, we're just, we're,

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we're there now.
So why like the kid that they

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tested?
What like first of all, why are

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you waiting to test this like 2
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you've done this like four
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But anyway, I digress.
But like the family gets in the

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little room and they put the
mask on the kid and then it's

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like, you know, all these
crickets and like, you know,

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insects that are coming out of
him and then the snake comes out

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and snake bites the mom.
It's like it just there's no

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connection of why that's
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I mean, I though supposed to
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that is fuzzy as to how that all
works.

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If the logic of the ultimate
like end goal of the Callahan or

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Carnahan whatever his name was.
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Made didn't really make a lot of
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Yeah, we'll get into it.
All right, let's jump in the

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casting once again.
This one, unlike all the other

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ones we've done for the summer
sequels, no one returns in this

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movie from a previous, the
previous Part 1 or Part 2.

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So all new cast, but there's
really only like 3 main

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characters that I think are
really worth mentioning.

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But I'll, we'll, we'll cover
them kind of quickly here.

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The cast of Halloween 3 mostly
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whose previous credits included
cameo appearances on various TV

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series.
The exceptions were Tom Atkins

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and veteran actor Dan O'harley.
Atkins, who was cast as surgeon

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Dan Chalice, had appeared in
several John Carpenter films

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before Halloween Three.
He played Nick Castle in The Fog

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in 1980 and Remy and escaped
from New York in 1981, which

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Nicholas Not covered this year.
Yeah, earlier this year, yeah.

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Atkins guest star on TV shows
like The Rockford Files and Lou

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Grant.
He told Fangoria that he enjoyed

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playing the hero as a seasoned
actor.

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I'm sorry, as a seasoned horror
actor, he said.

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I wouldn't mind making a whole
career out of being in just

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horror movies.
After Halloween 3, Atkins

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continues supporting roles in
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So just a little bit about Tom
Atkins.

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Yes, he is in the fog.
I've seen that when he of

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course, he was in Escape from
New York, probably his most

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famous role.
He was also a Night of the

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Creeps, which I watched last
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Another 80s kind of more of AB
movie horror movie, but the most

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iconic role is he is Hunsacker
in the first lethal Weapon that

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gets shot with the sniper while
he's holding the eggnog, like

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the famous bullet for the eggnog
scene.

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So that's that's, that's him.
I feel like you and I covered a

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lot of Tom Atkins 80s movies.
Yeah, right, because we did

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Lethal Weapon and Escape from
New York.

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This is at least the third one,
if not 4.

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Who knew Tom Adkins would have
such a, you know, such a vast

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career of the 80s that we, you
know, he was a definitely a that

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guy.
Like I would not have known his,

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I mean, maybe two weeks from
now, if you say what's that

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guy's name?
I'm may be able to pull it out

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of thin air, but I'm not sure.
So he's not, he's not a, you

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know.
Yeah, you're right.

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I mean, top tier actor.
No, he's he's a cult.

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I mean, he's a he's a cult
actor.

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I mean, he for sure.
I mean you, you already named a

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lot of the movies that he's in.
I've covered a couple of them

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with you or over on whore
through the decades over with

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the, you know, on the PCR stuff.
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So then we've got Stacey Nelkin
as Ellie Grimberg, a young woman

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whose father Harry is murdered
by Silver Shamrock.

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She got the role after a makeup
artist working on the film told

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her about the auditions.
Nelkin considered it an honor to

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play Jamie Lee Curtis's
successor, According to Rodger

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Ebert, Nelkin's performance was
the one saving grace of the

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film, he explained.
Quote, she has one of those rich

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voices that makes you wish she
had more to say and in a better

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role.
Too bad she plays her last scene

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without a head.
End Quote, which I love.

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Before her role, she was one of
the main characters in the 1980

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Mad magazine movie Up the
Academy, which also starred

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Ralph Macchio.
After Halloween 3, she continued

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working as a character actress
on television.

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So she wasn't terrible.
I don't think she was a saving

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grace of the movie at all.
Like she's OK, but yeah.

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I think saving grace is a strong
word for this movie so.

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Yeah, I think the best of best
of the ones we're going to cover

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is veteran Irish actor Dan
O'harelly, who is cast as

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Colonel Connell Cochran.
I think it's Connell Connell

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Cochran, the owner of Silver
Shamrock and the witch, quote UN

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quote, which is more really more
of a warlock from the film's

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title.
He was a 3000 year old demon in

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Neil's original script.
He's played close.

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He had played close to 150 roles
before this one and was

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nominated for an Academy Award
for Best Actor, First

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Performance in Robinson Crusoe
in 1954.

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He appeared in another 20 films
and television series before his

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death in 2005.
In this move, of course, he

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plays the corrupt corporate
executive, something that he

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would be well known portraying
in the first two RoboCop movies

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as the old man.
So I thought that was

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interesting.
And then of course, the name

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stood out to me because he's
also in The Last Starfighter.

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He plays Grigg.
Of course, you don't know that's

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him because he's wearing an
alien mask.

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But I knew the voice
immediately.

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That the same actor.
So anybody you want to, anything

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you want to add or anybody you
want to you want to add,

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Nicholas, let's get through this
as fast as possible.

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No, I I mean legit like there's,
there's so few people in this

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movie.
Yeah.

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I mean, everybody else is there
for like maybe 5 minutes and

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that's it.
Like, there's not a whole lot

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of.
Characters The woman who played

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his ex-wife was in one of the
other or two of the other

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Halloween movies as a different
character.

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Yeah, I don't.
Remember her name and like if I

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hadn't read the credits I
wouldn't have even known that

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she didn't.
Unfortunately just, and not

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through any fault of her own,
just the lack of script, like

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she didn't really stand out so.
Yeah, the only other, the only

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other person I thought about
mentioning as like a, you know,

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a part of the cast is the other
doctor that was doing like the

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lab work for and that was going
through all the robot parts.

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But, you know, I don't.
She didn't populate much on her

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IMDb page, so wasn't worth
mentioning.

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But she was actually, she was
actually decent.

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Of course, she didn't have to be
in much of the movie, so, but I

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kind of liked her character.
Yeah.

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So you mentioned Nancy Kaiz is
the one that played Chalice's

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ex-wife Linda.
She appeared in the first two

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Halloween films as Lori Strode's
promiscuous friend Annie

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Brackett.
Stunt performer Dick Warlock,

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who played Michael Myers in
Halloween 2, played the lead

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Android assassin.
Jamie Lee Curtis provided

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uncredited voice work as the
Santa Mira curfew announcer and

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the telephone operator, which I
did recognize your voice as

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telephone operator.
And then director Tommy Lee

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Wallace provided uncredited
voice work as the Silver

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Shamrock commercial announcer.
So he's the one that did all the

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commercials and that's what I
got for cast.

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All right.
Yeah.

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Moving right along.
Moving right along.

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All right, let's talk iconic
scenes.

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If someone says Halloween, three
season of the witch, what's the

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first thing that pops in your
head, Nicholas?

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The only thing that would come
to my mind is that commercial

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and they air it like I think
they said 14 times.

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Yeah, Yeah, I think so.
That that that 1-6 more days to

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Halloween.
Halloween, yeah, that that's

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your iconic.
Because I mean, I'm honestly

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shocked now that this movie has
kind of come back around and hit

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cold status that they don't make
more of a deal of the I know

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that somebody sold some versions
of the mask not too long.

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Ago.
Yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, like, they're just,
you know, like, I mean, those

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masks are probably 90% of the
budget, but.

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Right, right.
Yes.

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So for the song they used the
tune London Bridge is Falling

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Down because it was in public
domain, so they had to pay any

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money for it.
But it's also catchy.

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Like I, I didn't realize that
was the same tune until I read

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that.
The theme, as you said, was

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played a total of 14 times the
movie 4 times at the gas

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station, once at Linda Chalice's
home, once at the hospital, once

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in the bar, twice on the
television, screams in the shop

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window, twice on the radio, once
in the motel office, once in

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test room A, and once in the
final scene.

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Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's also the, I

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mean, like you said, I mean, if
you have to come up with

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something from this movie,
that's what you think of is that

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commercial with that song.
Yeah, I think that.

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And then I think the masks are
probably what I remember, like

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the pumpkin mask, probably
because that's the one they use.

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You know, the boy kind of dies
with the pumpkin mask on.

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But I will say, like, I think
for me now, I think the iconic

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scene for me would be the very
the ending with him, like, you

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know, screaming stop, stop, you
know, stop it.

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And then and I'll say I wouldn't
say it up front.

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I like the ending.
I like the ambig, ambiguousness.

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Is that the right word?
And.

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It's close enough.
Yeah, big words, big words, hard

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to say, ambiguous ending that
you don't know if you really

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stopped it or not, which I
actually thought it was.

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You know, the first time I was
kind of like, that's kind of

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weird.
But watching it the second time,

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I think I appreciated it more.
I like that better than, you

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know, it was different.
You know, there was no last jump

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scare like we would expect from
the things, you know, the what's

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his name?
Cochran didn't come back, you

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know, didn't pop up at the gas
station, you know, surviving his

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electrocution or whatever that
was that happened in the in the

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factory or whatever.
So but I will say after he

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shouts stop it on the phone at
the movie's very ending, the

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screen cuts to black and ending
credits.

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Originally, the ending theme
wasn't going to be played during

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the credits.
Instead, it was supposed to be

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the screams of millions of
children being murdered.

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Director Tommy Lee Wallace
decided not to add this so the

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ending would be ambiguous and at
a possibility they were saved.

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When lead actor Tom Atkins saw
the new ending, he was much more

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satisfied with the movie in
spite of critical reception and

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likes to imagine his characters
struggles weren't in vain.

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Or at least his own children
were.

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Or at least his own children
survived.

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Yeah, I mean, I I would say that
the ambiguous ending is better

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than the screams of millions of
showing.

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Yeah, yeah, that definitely
would have been a happy ending.

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Not that we get really happy
endings in these type of horror

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movies, but yeah.
Well, So what about favorite

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scenes?
I I've got the the homeless guy.

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OK.
Yeah, when he gets his head

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ripped off, that's kind of a
cool special effect.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's 1 and again, like it's it's

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oddly kind of without gore
considering his head is getting

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ripped off.
And then that fight scene at the

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end after she becomes an
automaton.

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Is so.
Over the top, but funny.

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Yeah, it's and I did see that
there was some argument online

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and I don't know if you have
this in your notes, but like

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people are like, well, maybe she
she was in automaton the whole

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time.
No, she wasn't.

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Stop it.
No, like, you can tell, like the

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way she was portraying herself
after he saved her, like, right.

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Yeah, You kind of fit.
Like, the second time I'm

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watching, I'm like, well, how?
Yeah, of course.

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How did I not know that she was
a robot, you know?

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But like, you know, she she
clearly wasn't a robot until the

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they kidnapped her and turned
her into one.

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Right, right.
Yeah.

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Or at least made made a copy of
her.

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00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,120
Maybe she's still actually
locked up in the factory

448
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,480
somewhere.
Yeah, exactly, Exactly.

449
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,960
So, yeah, I did like that fight
scene.

450
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,360
Like I said, it was more
comical.

451
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,040
Like I was like, she's not going
to pop up again.

452
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Like I'm, you know, he was, he
battled the arm and then like a

453
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,000
second or two later, then here
she comes without the arm.

454
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,960
And then, you know, it's just
like, yeah, but that was.

455
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,400
Kind of.
It kind of had an evil dead feel

456
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,160
or an evil.
Dead.

457
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,960
Feel.
Yes, it was.

458
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,640
It was comical, it was funny, it
was well done.

459
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,720
It kind of gave a needed relief
break to an otherwise kind of

460
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,480
movie.
Yeah, yeah, I, I don't really

461
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,680
have any favorite scenes, but
going back to the drunk, I will

462
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:12,800
like interesting scenes or
things that make you hmm is when

463
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,240
he's like, can I have a sip?
I don't have any diseases or

464
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,240
anything.
And he just gives the guy the

465
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,760
bottle and then like 5 seconds
later takes a sip from the

466
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,560
bottle after the drunk guy drank
from it.

467
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,400
I was like, he didn't have.
Any diseases?

468
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,720
Trust him.
You know you're in this, you're

469
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480
in this unknown town where
people looking looking at you

470
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,160
weird when you come in and drive
in.

471
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,360
But this homeless guy, Sure man.
Have a swig of my of my juice.

472
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,520
If you can't trust a random
homeless stranger in a nun in a

473
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,600
backwards town, who can you
trust?

474
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,760
Exactly, exactly.
PSA kids, if he says he doesn't

475
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,840
have diseases, he's probably
right.

476
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,200
Oh, man.
All right, so I got to talk

477
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,880
about these while they're on.
While I'm thinking about it,

478
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,000
let's talk about these like the
weirdest, the weirdest parts of

479
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,160
the movie.
So maybe not favorite scenes,

480
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,560
just go to like weird scenes.
OK, I've got one of those.

481
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,640
Yeah, as Laramie calls it, his
weird science.

482
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,200
Like where does the logic not
add up?

483
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,680
So go ahead and see if I've got.
I've got 2.

484
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,240
I'll see what?
What?

485
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760
You got this one's not so much
weird sciences, it's just a

486
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,920
super questionable scene.
Oh yeah, there's plenty of those

487
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,360
we have so.
So they've just slept together

488
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,480
for the first time, right.
And I don't, I can't remember if

489
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,880
they're about to do it again or
or if there's if it's a he goes,

490
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,000
wait, how old are you?
Yeah, you should have a little.

491
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,360
Little before too late for that
buddy, Right, right, right.

492
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,080
That whole relationship is we're
like, that's one of mine is

493
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,280
like, you've just met this girl,
you're driving to this town and

494
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,760
like there's no chemistry
between them at all.

495
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,040
And all of a sudden it's like,
I'll stay here.

496
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,200
Whatever.
And he kisses her and then you

497
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,840
have this, you know, love scene
or whatever.

498
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,880
And it's like, it's just creepy,
man.

499
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,240
I mean, he's clearly, you know,
way older than she is.

500
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,280
And the bad thing is in the fog,
it's almost the exact same

501
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,880
thing.
Like he's an older guy and, you

502
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,480
know, said, quote, UN quote,
seduced by the young woman.

503
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Whatever.
But yeah.

504
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,160
So I will say the creepiest I
will doesn't go to record the

505
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,000
creepiest part of this movie was
not the insects and the snake

506
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800
coming out of the the kids
pumpkinhead.

507
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:38,240
It wasn't, you know, androids or
whatever, robot people pulling

508
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,600
off heads of, you know, homeless
guys or whatever.

509
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,760
The weirdest, the creepiest part
of this movie is an ER that has

510
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,560
no patients that the doctor
takes a nap.

511
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:59,320
Like I have never in the history
of my life ever seen an ER with

512
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,760
nobody in it.
Or, or where the doctor feels

513
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,760
the need to drive to three towns
over, or wherever it is.

514
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,040
Right.
Right to research the death of

515
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,760
his patient.
Right, right.

516
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,680
Not.
Just go.

517
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,680
Hey Mr. Detective, you should
look into this.

518
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,120
Yeah, and why?
Why is the guy still holding the

519
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,960
mask?
I mean, he's been holding that

520
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720
mask for like how long?
Like it's just they've already

521
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,480
brought him in, they've examined
him, he's in the room and he's

522
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,840
still holding the mask for them.
And then, oh, and then I love

523
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,600
that the Android guy just comes
in, kills him and then just

524
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560
walks out.
Like don't nobody's going to see

525
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,000
my face.
No one's going to recognize me.

526
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960
But I guess as a robot, he can
just change faces or train

527
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,440
change heads.
Maybe so.

528
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,640
And then he blows himself up.
For whatever reason, they never

529
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,960
bothered to explain.
Yeah, I love the pouring of

530
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,360
gasoline on him.
I was like, OK, this is not

531
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,920
going to end good.
Yeah.

532
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,120
There's a lot of weird that
scenes that don't make sense.

533
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Those those are the ones that
stood out to me the most.

534
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,680
Like when he, you know, he's
like, well, it's pretty quiet

535
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680
and I'm going to take a nap and
like, this is the ER, right.

536
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Like, I know it's a small town,
I guess, but still.

537
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,200
Yeah.
Just just weird.

538
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,440
There was something else I was
going to mention.

539
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,720
Can't remember?
All right, well then, you ready

540
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,000
to jump into some trivia and
scenes in trivia?

541
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,400
Sure, All right.
Although the third film departed

542
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,760
from the plot of the first two
films, Wallace attempted to

543
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,360
connect all three films together
through certain stylistic

544
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,040
themes.
The film's opening title feature

545
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,440
features a digitally animated
Jack O Lantern, an obvious

546
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,480
reference to the Jack O Lanterns
that appear in the opening

547
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,040
titles of Halloween and
Halloween 2.

548
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Wallace's Jack O Lantern is also
the catalyst in the Silver

549
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Shamrock commercials that
activates the masks.

550
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Another stylistic reference to
the original film is found in

551
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,080
the scene where Doctor Challis
tosses a mask over a security

552
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,120
camera, making the image on the
monitor seem to be peering

553
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,640
through the eye holes.
This is the nod of the scene in

554
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,320
which young Michael Myers
murders his sister while wearing

555
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,600
the clown mask in the first
Halloween.

556
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,560
Finally, the film contains A
brief reference to its

557
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,160
predecessors by including a few
short scenes from Halloween in a

558
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,440
television commercial that
advertises the airing of the

559
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,480
film for the upcoming holiday as
a minor story within a story,

560
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,640
which that part once again makes
no sense.

561
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Like if this is supposed to take
place in the same world as

562
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,880
Halloween.
Once again, if Halloween was not

563
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,440
in the title, as you said
earlier, it would be fine, but

564
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,720
it's a sequel to that movie.
Why would you be like I?

565
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,400
I would have rather them had a
newscast about, you know, three

566
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,680
years ago this Halloween, you
know, we captured Michael Myers.

567
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,480
We know something about like a,
you know, bring him in that way.

568
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,960
Don't be like a straight up
commercial of the movie.

569
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Yeah, it may.
Yeah.

570
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,600
I mean, it definitely made it
where it's like it's not in the

571
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,880
same universe.
Like, you can try to say it is,

572
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,680
but like, if you're watching the
movie in the movie, like, that's

573
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,880
it, yeah.
I did want to mention because I

574
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,520
I remember this when, when I
watched Halloween Kills in 2021,

575
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,200
three of Michael Myers victims
are displaying are displayed

576
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,200
wearing the silver Shamrock
masks on the merry go round.

577
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,440
I do remember that that did jump
out of me and I watched that.

578
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800
So I thought that was a cool, a
cool nod in that movie.

579
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,120
Back to this one, the tagline.
The tagline for this movie was

580
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,480
The Night No One Comes Home was
a play on the original Hollywood

581
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,080
tagline The Night He Came Home.
Once again trying to tie it

582
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,040
together, but not really.
All right, this is my last one.

583
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,680
The movie takes place around
Halloween 1982.

584
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,640
The children in the movie are
told to wear their masks and

585
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,880
watch television at 9:00 PM on
Halloween night, at which time

586
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,200
the chip in the mask would be
activated in reality.

587
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,880
The movie Halloween from 1978
was broadcast on NBC at 9:00 PM

588
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,240
on Sunday, October 31st, 1982.
As you're saying that, and, and

589
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920
I don't know why it didn't clue
me until just right now,

590
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,360
something that I thought of
maybe the younger kids would be

591
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,880
at home, but the younger kids
would not be watching Halloween

592
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,200
on TV.
When I got to a certain age, I

593
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,720
don't think on Halloween night I
would have been at home.

594
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,040
Yeah.
Watching TVI would have been out

595
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,320
finishing trick or treating for
the night.

596
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Yeah, yeah, the funny and it's
funny to go about like, I'm glad

597
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,360
you're bringing that up because
I'm, I've been very irritated.

598
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,640
I'm going to go on a rant for a
second.

599
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,680
So everybody just bear with me.
We've got time.

600
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,880
We're way ahead of schedule
right now.

601
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,680
It's been within the last 20
years, I think.

602
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,280
But if you've lived long enough,
you know that daylight savings

603
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,560
time, like falling back, used to
happen before Halloween.

604
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,720
But like 20 years ago, maybe
like somewhere in the last 20 to

605
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,280
25 years, they moved it.
As you notice, every year it's

606
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,280
always the Sunday after
Halloween.

607
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Do you know why they did this?
So people could have more trick

608
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,360
or treating time.
No, it's all about money.

609
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,400
Well, it always is.
That's the whole daylight

610
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,320
savings time.
Yeah, they noticed.

611
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,920
The candy companies noticed that
they were selling less candy for

612
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Halloween because parents didn't
like the idea of their kids

613
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,920
being out after dark.
They felt safer with their kids

614
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,800
trick or treating while the sun
was still out, which I will say

615
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,280
has ruined trick or treating
since then.

616
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,800
Because as a kid we didn't go
out until it was dark.

617
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,719
Like if you went out before, if
anybody came to my door before

618
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,639
it was dark outside, we wouldn't
open the door.

619
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,159
Like you've got to wait for it
to be dark before we hand out

620
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:52,400
candy.
That was just roll.

621
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,280
Growing up or or you knew if it
was before dark, it was the

622
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,240
little kids.
Yeah, yeah, they're really,

623
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,000
really little kids, right.
But as you got older, like we

624
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,960
were out till like 11:00.
I mean, most, you know, most you

625
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,080
know, houses would stop running
out of candy by like 930, 10:00

626
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,360
maybe at the latest.
But we were always like roaming

627
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,280
around doing stupid stuff.
But well, and you knew the

628
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,160
rules.
If the T if the house had turned

629
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,840
the lights off on the porch, you
didn't go.

630
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,920
Right, exactly, exactly so so
that was so the candy company

631
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480
was one reason you and this is
this is going to blow your mind.

632
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,400
This is factual if you go back
and and research it because I

633
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,840
remember reading about it when
it happened.

634
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:34,840
The other institution that made
the change, golf course golf

635
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,400
courses.
Golf courses knew they could

636
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,200
make more money with extra time
for people that played the

637
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,360
twilight golf courses, so
getting an extra hour during the

638
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640
day would boost their sales in
the slower months.

639
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Well, I mean, if I had my
druthers, if it was up to me, I

640
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:02,080
would turn Halloween into a
floating holiday, not a static

641
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,520
holiday, right?
Right.

642
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,120
It would be like Thanksgiving is
always the third Thursday or the

643
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,880
last Thursday.
Of the month of November, Yeah.

644
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,440
Of November, Halloween would be
the last Saturday in November.

645
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,320
Yeah, yeah.
And that that way, you know, you

646
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,800
never had to worry about, you
know, the kids have to go to

647
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,480
school the next day.
The trick or treating needs to

648
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,280
start a little earlier.
I mean, it never happened for

649
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,080
me.
It seems to be more of a

650
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,800
Midwestern thing because I grew
up down South where, you know,

651
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,320
where you you're at.
Halloween was always Halloween

652
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:42,480
up here in the Wisconsin, the
Midwest area towns will change

653
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,360
trick or treat Halloween to
whatever night they feel like.

654
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,160
Some of them will change it to
Saturday.

655
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,040
Some of them will change it to
Sunday, Right.

656
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,160
Some of them will set specific
times we're going to only do it

657
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,000
from 5:00 to 7:00 or 6:00 to
8:00 or, you know, and that's

658
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960
something that as a kid that
never happened.

659
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,720
Like it was always Halloween
night.

660
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,800
Yeah, and you started with as
soon as the sun started going

661
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,920
down, you went out.
And as long as people had their

662
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,080
porch lights on, you could go.
Yeah, and we've seen, I mean,

663
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,640
that's because that's becoming
more normal.

664
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,160
Like even down South, like now
you'll see like churches with

665
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160
for their fall festivals and
whatever.

666
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,720
And even like neighborhoods like
you'll see the signs like, Hey,

667
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,760
we're doing our hollow, you
know, trick or treating trunk

668
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,960
and treat, whatever.
They've kind of changed it to

669
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,240
it's usually going to be on a
Saturday or a Sunday that's

670
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:39,240
closest to the 31st.
So really there's not that much,

671
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,520
you know, like I think last year
we went around the neighborhood

672
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:49,080
here on on Halloween, October
31st and it was let you know,

673
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,000
probably less than half of the
neighborhood had anybody out

674
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,560
giving candy or had their lights
on.

675
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,040
So I think people are just
accustomed to like going to the

676
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,000
bigger like, and they this might
have been just where I was.

677
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,040
I think I was in Maryland when
this was, but I remember one or

678
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,160
two Halloweens where the malls
would have Halloween night where

679
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,560
all the stores would have candy.
So that that was becoming like

680
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,720
the quote UN quote alternative
for going house to house.

681
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,360
But that was really more for the
teenagers because you didn't see

682
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,680
many kids there.
But like all the teenage like as

683
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,640
we got a certain age, like I
don't want to go around with all

684
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,440
the little kids getting candy.
We'd go walk around the mall,

685
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,520
dressed up or not, and just get,
you know, candy from the stores

686
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,560
or whatever and.
And because trick or treat,

687
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,800
because Halloween doesn't really
have any historic connotations

688
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,080
or any sort of religious, you
know, despite despite what this

689
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,400
movie tried to randomly shoe
worn in, it doesn't really have

690
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,240
any.
It's not like there's a a person

691
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,280
who would like if I tried to
change July 4th to like

692
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,520
Saturday.
Like, OK, there's a real reason

693
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,160
why July 4th is on July 4th.
It's not fireworks and.

694
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,000
And and, you know, beer.
And and grill it out.

695
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,720
Halloween is just kind of a
made-up holiday.

696
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,440
I know there's some Pagan
traditions that are built into

697
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,800
it, but it's not like it's not a
it's not as important to the

698
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,280
holiday as the fun that we have
with it.

699
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,280
Yeah, exactly.
So changing it to a Saturday

700
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,960
wouldn't be a problem.
Yeah, I mean, and you know, as

701
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,520
long as some guy doesn't steal
Stonehenge, you know, we're

702
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,120
good.
Right, right.

703
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,040
Or a piece of was it?
He just took one stone, right?

704
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,320
Right, he took one stone from
Stonehenge.

705
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,880
Yeah, he managed to steal A5 ton
rock and nobody noticed him

706
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,920
doing it.
Nope.

707
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,160
Amazing.
All right, Well, yeah, so good,

708
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,840
good little discussion about
Halloween traditions.

709
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,240
So that's, that's true.
I agree with you.

710
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Just like I think that they've
been talking about the last

711
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,560
couple years about moving the
Super Bowl to like 2 weeks

712
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,680
later, a week later to like
Presidents Day weekend because

713
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,200
most people have that Monday
off.

714
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,640
So move it or just move it to a
Saturday.

715
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,960
It's already 2 weeks after the
regular.

716
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:03,320
After the season ends, anyway.
Does it have to be on a Sunday?

717
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,080
I mean, we are so used to not
having football on Sundays

718
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,000
anymore.
Just put it on a Saturday,

719
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,240
right?
Yeah, exactly.

720
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,600
So, all right, well, let's jump
into box office.

721
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Halloween Three Season of the
Witch open in theaters in the

722
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:21,080
United States on October 22nd,
1982, and it landed at #2 on the

723
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,800
weekend box office behind
another new new release for that

724
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,920
week, First Blood with Sylvester
Stallone.

725
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,760
It was the worst performing
Halloween film at the time.

726
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,840
Several other horror films that
premiered in 1982 performed far

727
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,680
better, including Poltergeist,
Fight of the 13th, Part 3, and

728
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,880
Creepshow.
All of those we've already

729
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,160
covered on the podcast.
I'm guessing the Week 2 drop off

730
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,640
was a massive compared to what
most films get.

731
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,760
You know what?
I didn't even look at that, but

732
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,760
yeah, I think.
It's not working bad enough.

733
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,280
I mean, it's still made money.
People went to go see.

734
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,720
I think the opening weekend
probably had the most because

735
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,720
after that they're like, don't
go see it.

736
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,840
So yeah, huge drop off.
All right, now it's time to take

737
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,920
a look at how well this 80s
flick holds up.

738
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,080
Today, the all new rewatchable
and nostalgia meters our way of

739
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,720
measuring how enjoyable a movie
is for repeat viewings, along

740
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,680
with the waves and nostalgia it
brings.

741
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,200
Here's how it works.
It's a one to 10 scale.

742
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,400
Any number between 1:00 and
10:00 will do, but here are a

743
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,440
few parameters to help you
decide.

744
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,680
At the bottom of the meter is
the number one, meaning I saw it

745
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,360
once and that was enough.
Right in the middle is a out of

746
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,120
five is a good rewatch every
couple of years, and the highly

747
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,520
coveted Top spot #10 is highly
rewatchable and full of

748
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,960
nostalgia.
So here we go, Nicholas.

749
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,760
Where does Halloween 3, the
Season of the Witch rank on the

750
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,720
rewatch ability nostalgia meter
for you?

751
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,560
I have been debating this in my
head all day today.

752
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,640
I.
I think I've, I think I've come

753
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,240
down on A4.
OK.

754
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,920
It's it's not terrible.
And if you go into it knowing

755
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,720
there's no Michael Myers, yeah,
And it's just a mess of a movie.

756
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,320
There's enough enjoyable things
in it and enough, you know, just

757
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,200
over the top acting that it's at
least worth watching.

758
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,160
It's not.
If you're going to do a

759
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,000
Halloween marathon, skip it.
You know it is.

760
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,720
It is.
You know it, but if you're just

761
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:31,320
if you're just looking to watch
a silly movie that is

762
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,480
tangentially, you know, maybe a
little scary, right?

763
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:41,440
It it's, it's not, it's not
great, but it's, it's definitely

764
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,320
not the worst movie.
No, But yeah.

765
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,960
So I think, I think 4/4 is
probably a little more generous

766
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,600
than it deserves, but 4 is I
think where I've landed on.

767
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,480
Yeah, and that's exactly where I
was going to put it.

768
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,080
I mean, it's it's not a it's not
good enough to be alive.

769
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,120
You know, there's no nostalgia
for me.

770
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,760
So that's automatically going to
bring it down.

771
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640
But I had to say, is it
rewatchable?

772
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,400
And I can say like I watched it
what I said, you know, four

773
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,560
years ago, maybe watching it
again four years later, it I was

774
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,840
able to sit through it like I
didn't, I wasn't like, you know,

775
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,560
reaching for my phone every 5
minutes.

776
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,080
I mean it, like I said, it has
some, you know, scratch your

777
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,960
head moments like that doesn't
make any sense.

778
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,600
But it's still it moves along
pretty well.

779
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,960
And if you go into annoying
thinking more sci-fi

780
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,280
psychological Invasion of the
Body Snatchers was a big

781
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,960
influence on it.
I didn't really talk to mention

782
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,600
that earlier, but you know, kind
of thinking of that type of

783
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,400
movie, more sci-fi horror than
just, you know, slasher horror.

784
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,920
And it's worth, I think it's
worth, you know, pulling out

785
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,920
every couple of years and, and,
and rewatching.

786
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,280
And I, I think we started this
for like if somebody said I've

787
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,120
never seen them before, I would
be willing to watch it again

788
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,840
with somebody who hadn't just as
get their reaction on, you know,

789
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,280
some of the some of the things
in it.

790
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,400
So I think that's that's where
I'm I'm landing on it.

791
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,800
So all right, well, let us know
where you think Halloween 3

792
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,440
should be ranked on the rewatch
building install Jamita for you.

793
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,840
You can send us an e-mail at
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794
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,200
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795
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,160
leave a comment right here in
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796
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,560
podcast on YouTube.
So thanks Nicholas, so much for

797
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,520
joining us for this episode.
We've got the summer is almost

798
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,320
over.
It's crazy, man.

799
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,080
We're at the end of well, the
time of this recording, we're

800
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,440
ending July.
This is going to drop on August

801
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,440
1st, but so we've got two more
sequels to cover in the summer

802
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,200
of sequels, a better horror
movie.

803
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,400
Next time we're going to do
Nightmare on Elm Street 3, the

804
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,400
Dream Warriors and then for a
special add on, we're going to

805
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,800
cover Rocky three at the end of
August because I realized that I

806
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,440
had I had an extra spot in
August and didn't realize that

807
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,680
when originally made my my my
calendar.

808
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,800
But anything exciting happening
with pop culture roulette?

809
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,680
No, no, we're just, we're, we're
kind of in an inconsistent

810
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,480
schedule right now, but we're,
we're still pumping out episodes

811
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,880
and I think they're fun.
Yeah.

812
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,520
We, we, we enjoy it, You know, I
guess as long as we're making

813
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,760
each other laugh and having fun
and hopefully, hopefully that

814
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,480
comes through and people enjoy
listening.

815
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,840
You can find me wherever.
Pop culture roulette, we're on

816
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,800
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817
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,560
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818
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,480
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819
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,000
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820
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,600
Very.
Cool, definitely check it out.

821
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,320
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822
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,800
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823
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,080
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824
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825
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826
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,760
I'm sorry, 80s flick flashback
merch and original designs.

827
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,400
I think I'm going to try to put
together some silver Shamrock

828
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,000
designs here pretty soon after
watching the movie.

829
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,160
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830
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,160
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flick flashback podcast.

831
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,680
It's time.
It's time time for the big

832
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,240
giveaway.
Halloween has come.

833
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,280
All you lucky kids with silver
Shamrock masks gather around

834
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,840
your TV set, put on your masks
and watch all witches, all

835
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,840
skeletons, all Jack O lanterns
gather around and watch.

836
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,880
Watch the Magic pumpkin watch.