#140 - "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" (1989) with Gerry D, Nicholas Pepin & Chad Sheppard

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1989 was what some might call a
good year for movies.

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The top grossing flicks could
read like anyone's favorite 80s

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movie list.
Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Rain

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Man, Ghostbusters 2.
You could even include Tango and

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Cash on my list.
But only one 1989 release

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brought back the iconic bullwhip
and fedora.

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Indiana Jones returned to the
big screen in a blockbuster

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adventure full of humor, heart,
and amazing stunts.

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Set in 1938, our hero sets out
to rescue his father, a

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medievalist who has vanished
while searching for the Holy

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Grail.
Following the clues in Henry

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Seniors Cherished Notebook, Indy
travels to Europe, reuniting

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with old allies while fighting
off new Nazi foes.

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So dust off your fedora, crack
the bullwhip, and take a leap of

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faith with Jerry D, Nicholas
Pepin, Chad Shepard, and I as we

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discuss Indiana Jones and the
Last Crusade on this episode of

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the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast.
Welcome and everybody to the 80s

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flick Flashback podcast.
I'm your host Tim Williams.

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It's time to choose wisely and
I've chosen three of my favorite

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Co host to join us for a quest
to discuss one of the greatest

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adventures of all time.
First up, he's a man who has

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studied the history of 80s
cinema with more passion than

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Indy's father studied the grail
diary.

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He knows that X never ever marks
the spot when it comes to a bad

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movie takes.
It's the wise and knowledgeable

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host of Totally Rad Christmas.
It's Jerry D How you doing,

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Jerry?
Well, I think I've been pretty

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good so far.
That's terrible.

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That was a terrible Connery.
I'm good.

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How are you?
That was all right.

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That was all right.
Next, joining our fellowship is

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a podcaster who can navigate the
booby traps of bad movie tropes

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and inconsistencies without
misplacing a single step.

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Please welcome from pop culture
roulette, Mr. Nicholas Pepin.

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How you doing Nicholas?
It's all right, but you know,

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sometimes X does mark the spot.
It does, does and finally

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completing our team.
This man is the Sala of many

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podcasting adventures, always
ready to jump into action, even

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if it means dealing with a few
rats in the catacombs.

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It's local DJ and 80s flick
enthusiasts Chad Shepherd.

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How you doing Chad?
You were named after the dog.

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My name is We named the dog in
Deanna.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I was trying to do Sala

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that was.
There you go, a bad impression

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of Sala it.
Works.

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So I am thrilled to cruise
crusade into this, one of my all

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time favorite movies.
OK, cool, cool.

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So good I mess up that joke.
That's all right, Going to mess

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up plenty of times.
Yeah, it's going to be fun.

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It's.
Going to be fun yes.

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So thanks everybody for
listening.

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We're so glad that you're here
as we talk about which I will

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probably say is my favorite of
the Indiana Jones.

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I know that's probably a hot
topic this a lot there's a lot

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of debate whether which one is
better Raiders or last Crusade.

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I think Last Crusade just barely
edges it out for me, but.

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You're not taking Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull.

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Definitely not there's.
Blast.

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There's only three.
There's only three indie.

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Movies, there's only three that
matter.

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The last one that was at the
Dial of Destiny.

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It wasn't terrible, but it just
it it.

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I liked it when I saw it in the
theatre and then when I tried to

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watch it again I got so bored I
had to turn it off It just.

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More boring than anything else,
so just worse.

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Yeah, yeah.
I didn't like the actress.

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I did not like her.
Yeah, she.

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Was not appealing to me, no.
Sometimes the cast can hurt you.

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Yeah.
All right, well, let's jump

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right in.
We got lots to talk about, and I

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got a lot of people to ask their
opinions.

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So it's a full episode with
three Co hoes.

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So here we go.
We will start with Jerry since

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he introduced first.
When did you see Indiana Jones

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and Last Crusade for the first
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I saw it in the theater in 1989.
It was awesome.

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I remember because the the mall,
it was LA Plaza Mall.

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It used to have a movie theater.
And then somewhere in like the

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early 90s they got rid of it and
you know, they built more stores

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or whatever.
But I remember we went to the

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mall to see this movie and I
remember there was posters for

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Back to the Future, like two or
three.

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I think it might have been three
might have been coming.

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Yeah. 2 was out or.
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So there was like standees for
two and then like a poster for

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like 3 coming soon.
Oh, wow.

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And I remember being very
excited.

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It was like, this is awesome.
And seeing it in the theater and

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I loved it.
Man, This is great.

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It it didn't have anyone ripping
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It felt like, it felt like
Raiders.

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It was just really cool.
And then, you know, and that,

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like, James Bond was Indiana
Jones's dad.

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I mean, yeah, yes, please.
So yeah, I saw this back in the

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theater in 1989.
Very cool.

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What about you, Nicholas?
Somehow I did not see this one

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until a rental.
OK.

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Now, like you pointed out with
the 8989 was a packed year in

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the theater.
Yes, yeah, and I know.

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That a lot of the movies you
talked about I did see so it

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must have been just a decision
on my parents part to be like

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we've already seen too many.
I don't, I don't know, but I

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just, I saw it and I, we rented
it and I mean, I, it's not hard

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to say this one's my favorite of
all five of them, but.

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Yeah, good choice.
All right, Chad, you're up.

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When did you see it for the
first time?

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I unfortunately did not see it
in the theater on in 89 I I

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vividly remember my parents
telling me we're going to go see

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the new Indiana Jones movie.
But not you.

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It's it's rated PG13.
I was 10.

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So they're like, you're not,
you're not 13, right?

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We have to see this.
So I don't, I don't, I don't

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think we, I went to the theater.
We know we rented it and watched

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it from, you know, local video
rentals and whatnot.

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And.
Little did they know that it was

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less terrifying than two, which
was.

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Rated PG Yeah, and I saw that
one right.

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Right.
Right.

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Not in the theater, but we we
saw that a lot.

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We rented that one or borrowed
it from a friend or whatever it

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is.
Yeah, I saw this one in the

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theater.
I don't like, I don't think I

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saw it when it first came out.
I think I saw it later, and I'm

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not sure why because this one
came out fairly early.

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This came out a Memorial Day
weekend, so maybe I was too

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jazzed about getting ready to go
see Batman, like maybe that was

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coming out like the following
week or whatever.

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But but I do remember seeing the
theater and just from the

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opening sequence was like I was
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I was locked in from the
opening.

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Like it just it had me from from
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So but yeah, I've seen it so
many times.

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So we when was the last time you
watched it before we watching it

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for the podcast?
We'll go the opposite order this

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time.
So Chad, you can go first.

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It was a few months ago we did
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It was right before the Dial
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We said we skipped, of course,
the Crystal Skull, but we

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watched all three of the good
original movies in preparation

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for Dial Destiny, which like,
yeah, like we talked about it

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was not the best.
Right.

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And then we watched it a couple
weeks ago as well, so yeah.

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Gotcha.
Yeah, I used to watch it like

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it's it's probably my, I want to
say my third favorite movie of

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all time legit.
Back to the Future being number

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one.
We already know, of course.

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Of course.
Yeah, dude, of course.

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All right, Nicholas, what about
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How long has it been?
It's been a few years, but I

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mean, it's one of those like I,
I've seen it more than once, you

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know, like it is every so often
I'll pull like I think when we

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did Temple of Doom a couple
years ago.

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Yeah, yeah, I.
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I was like, I already watched
that one, I might as well finish

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it off.
But the Lego Indiana Jones, I've

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played through the movie a lot
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Yeah, on on the Lego.
That sounds like fun.

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The the Lego video game version
of it but.

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Yeah, what about you, Jerry?
So I saw this movie about a

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month ago.
I usually watch this one about

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once every, like one to two
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So yeah, I saw it again about a
month ago and it was great.

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My son came and watched it with
me and yeah, good times.

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He was a little scared of when
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you know?
Spoiler alert, if you haven't

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seen it, when you know with the
big blade he was, he got a

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little nervous there and then
when the guy disintegrates as

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well.
But other than that, yeah, it

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was about a month ago.
Well, at least that's toward the

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end, right?
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, most of it was.
Yeah, it's it's been a couple

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like since I've watched it from
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It's probably been a good couple
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I don't think I, yes, I did
rewatch them before seeing

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dialogue Destiny, now that I
think about it, but before that,

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it was probably before Crystal
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down and watched it all the way
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But you know, every once in a
while they'll run the marathon

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on Paramount TV or the Paramount
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And if I catch it on, I'll
watch, you know, as much until

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the next commercial.
I just, I don't, I hate watching

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movies with commercials now.
It's just, it just it irritates

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me, especially if I own it.
I'm like, why am I going to sit

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and watch commercials?
Why am I going to watch a 2 hour

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movie for three and a half, 3
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Well, with the commercials like
it just it totally takes you out

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of the experience and I get I
get real bored.

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So all right, well let's jump
into story origin and pre

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production.
I had to kind of how should I

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say paraphrase a lot of this
because there was a lot, I did

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not realize how many different
story revisions this movie had.

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There were some very different
ideas and what it evolved into.

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So, so here we go.
The path to Indiana Jones third

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adventure was a was as winding
and treacherous as any ancient

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temple.
Following the mixed reactions to

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Temple of Doom, director Steven
Spielberg and creator George

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Lucas knew they needed to
recapture the spirit of Raiders

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of Lost Ark.
Their initial concepts, however,

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wandered far from the familiar
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Lucas first pitched a Haunted
Mansion idea Spielberg quickly

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dismissed as too similar to
their previous collaboration,

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Poltergeist.
The journey then took a truly

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bizarre turn with a concept
titled Indiana Jones and the

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Monkey King, which saw Indy
battling a ghost in Scotland

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before venturing to Africa in
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Which didn't they just do a
Fountain of Youth movie on Apple

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Plus anyway?
Yeah, that's not good.

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Yeah, another movie that I
didn't finish because.

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John Krasinski and I was bored.
Natalie Portman What it Yes.

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Yeah, great cast, terrible
movie.

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Moving on.
Why?

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Sorry.
A script was even pinned by

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Chris Columbus, featuring a
cannibalistic tribe, a Nazi

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Sergeant with a mechanical arm,
and Indy himself being killed

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and then resurrected by the
mystical Monkey King.

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But the scripts, outlandish plot
and problematic depictions LED

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Spielberg and Lucas to abandon
it, feeling it was just a little

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bit too unbelievable.
Why don't Chris?

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Columbus.
Yeah, I mean, you know, Gremlins

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is believable.
Come on.

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Because, you know, the rest of
the Last Crusade is very

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believable.
For sure.

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Yeah, we'll get into so, yeah.
So feeling lost, Spielberg

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proposed a new direction,
introducing Indiana estranged

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Father Henry Jones.
Senior Lucas was hesitant,

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wanting the mystical Holy Grail
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saw the potential for a powerful
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The search for the grill could
mirror Indie's search for his

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father's approval and a deeper
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This breakthrough led to a
series of new scripts.

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Early drafts saw Indie searching
for for his father in exotic

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locations, battling demons and a
female Nazi leader.

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Yet the story still hadn't found
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It was writer Jeffrey Boehm who
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insisted that finding Henry
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midpoint of the movie.
This shifted the focus from a

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simple quest for an artifact to
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reconciliation and understanding
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With the father son dynamic
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pieces of the puzzle began to
fall, many inspired by the

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actors themselves.
The legendary Sean Connery cast

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as Henry Senior and fused the
character with a comic charm

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that reshaped the script.
The film's iconic prologue

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showing a young Indiana Jones
was a nod to the creator's own

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lives from Indy getting his chin
scar just as Harrison Ford had

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to.
Naming the hero after Lucas,

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beloved dog Spielberg, a former
Boy Scout, even gave young Indy

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his own scouting history.
Through numerous rewrites,

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characters are refined, villains
were swapped, and the

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treacherous Grail Grail trials
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What emerge from this long and
winding creative process was not

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just another adventure, but a
story with immense heart.

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A tale that proved the greatest
treasure of all wasn't a cup,

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but the bond between a father
and a son.

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And sing that.
Was almost I should have tear

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there.
That was nice.

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That'll be my next monologue for
my next part and rolled it down.

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That's why I wouldn't have to
remember.

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Yeah, yeah.
That was a great line.

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That's such a great line.
You don't remember.

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I wrote it in my book so I
wouldn't have to remember.

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Yeah, man, so much fun.
So much fun.

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Yes.
So.

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Yeah.
So there was.

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Yeah.
The Monkey King.

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I mean, that would have been so
outrageous.

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I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean it.

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What?
It was funny because reading

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some of the stuff, I'm like the
stuff that you abandoned, it

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seemed like you kind of brought
back for Crystal Skull.

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Like all the really weird, kind
of totally unbelievable stuff is

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like Lucas is like, I'm going
for it, Spielberg wouldn't do it

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last time, I'm going for it.
So I don't know, it's kind of

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weird.
I mean at that point like might

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as well I guess.
Yeah, they knew.

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We waited so long to see a
sequel.

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We were going to come watch it
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Didn't.
Matter.

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Who cares?
Attempting to defend the Crystal

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Skull, but like, you know, like
the Fred scene and some of the

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more unrealistic stuff.
Like, this movie's got some

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pretty unrealistic stuff in it.
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And I mean, Temple of Doom had
some really unrealistic stuff

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in.
It true.

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True.
It's not like the world of being

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them, like reading through all
of the stuff yesterday after I

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was done watching the movie and
I'm talking about trying to kind

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of trying to keep it grounded.
You're like, did you though?

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Because I mean.
You know, I guess it's grounded

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within that world, but I mean,
there's still, like, some stuff

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that happens where you're just
like, OK, I have to completely

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suspend my disbelief.
How is this any different than

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Indie surviving a nuclear blast
in a refrigerator?

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True, true.
But see, they did that at the

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beginning of that movie.
All the weird stuff happens at

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the end of this one.
So it got, yeah, it kind of kind

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of helped a little bit maybe.
I don't know.

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All right, well, you guys want
to jump into casting?

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Yeah.
Let's keep this, keep this train

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rolling.
So of course, some of these

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we've talked about in the
previous episodes.

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So.
But we'll talk about Harrison

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Ford, of course, as Henry
Indiana Jones Junior Ford said

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he loved the idea of introducing
Indiana's father because it

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allowed him to explore another
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And I also talked about, it
wasn't in my notes, but Harrison

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Ford, a lot of people are a lot
of the people that were involved

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in the 1st 2:00 felt like there
wasn't enough character

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development that had happened in
the previous movie.

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So they really wanted more
character development in this

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one, which they which helped
with the father and son stuff.

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Of course, River Phoenix played
the younger Indiana Jones.

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Phoenix had portrayed the son of
Ford's character in The Mosquito

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Coast in 1986.
Ford recommended Phoenix for the

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part.
He said that of of the of the

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young actors working at the
time, Phoenix looked the most

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like him when he was around that
age.

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And then Phoenix said that while
he preparing for the role, he

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didn't really base his portrayal
on Indiana Jones character, but

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on Harrison Ford himself.
So he observed Ford out of

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character before acting his
part, which I thought was

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hilarious because he's got it
down.

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I mean, from the beginning,
you're like, I mean, he's got

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the mannerisms and like the the
cadence of his voice like he

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did, he did a really good job of
that.

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So he was very believable, very
believable as a young Indiana

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Jones.
So.

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And what I did not know is that
he was offered the part in the

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TV series but didn't want to
return to television.

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So that's why it was recast.
But.

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Man, I would have liked, I liked
that kind of continuity.

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I would have liked to have seen
him as as indie.

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But I I get it, you know?
Yeah, I think I've tried to go

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back and watch the Young Indiana
Jones series.

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I know I watched it like when it
came out, but I haven't been

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able to get into it again since
I've gotten older.

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I don't know.
Let's say I haven't been able to

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find it like I've been trying to
find the strain.

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Like it's not streaming
anywhere.

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I'm sure YouTube probably has
it.

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But yeah, it was on Disney for a
minute.

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Yeah.
So Disney Plus.

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So maybe they took it off.
Yeah, because when?

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Because when they got all the
Indiana Jones, like when Disney

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bought Fox or whatever and they
were able to go to bring it over

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to Disney Plus, they had all of
it on there.

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That's when I tried to watch it
then.

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So maybe they'll bring it back
again.

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I don't know.
So.

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Didn't Harrison Ford actually
cameo in it?

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I want to say he I think he did
or he did like a voice over or

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something in like the first
episode or something.

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So.
And like he had a.

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Beer.
There was something like that.

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Trying to remember.
Though the guy who played him

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was was a different actor.
I think he's like supposed to be

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the one the 100 hundred year old
Indiana was telling the story of

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him as a kid.
I think that was a a different

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actor though.
I.

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Don't remember, it's been too.
Long either OK, it could be.

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Sidebar.
All right, so moving on.

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So we got Sean Connery, who we
talked about in previous

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episodes like The Untouchables.
But Spielberg had Connery in

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mind when he suggested
introducing Indiana's father,

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though he did not tell Lucas at
first.

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Consequently, Lucas wrote the
role as a crazy, eccentric

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professor resembling Lawrence
Olivier, whose relationship with

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Indiana was more of a strict
schoolmaster and student rather

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than a father and a son.
Spielberg had been a fan of

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Connery's work as James Bond and
felt that no one else could

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perform the role as well,
Spielberg's biographer Joseph

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McBride wrote.
Connery was already the father

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of Indiana Jones since the
series that sprung from the

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desire of Lucas and Spielberg to
rival and outdo Connery's James

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Bond films.
Connery, who had not wanted to

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do major franchise films since
working on James Bond, found

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those roles dulled and wanted to
avoid paparazzi attention.

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He initially turned down the
role, and also, he was only 12

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years older than Harrison Ford,
but eventually relented.

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Con Yeah.
Connery, a student of history,

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began to reshape the character,
and revisions were made to the

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script to address his concerns.
He said he wanted to play Henry

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Jones as kind of a Richard
Burton.

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I was found it was, oh, he said.
I was bound to have fun with the

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role of a gruff Victorian
Scottish father.

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Connery believed Henry should be
a match for his son, telling

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Spielberg that whatever Indy had
done, his character had done and

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had done it much better.
But did you, did you get that

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out of the out of his
performance that he had that

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character had done stuff like
that?

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Some of it because he wasn't
some of it on like the Grail and

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and ancient languages.
And so in like that respect for

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sure also in the Elsa respect I
suppose as well.

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But you know but.
Well, she talks in her sleep.

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She talks in.
Her sleep.

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That's right.
But like some of the actiony

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stuff, not really, although he
does come up I guess with the

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the solution to the plane, you
know, with the birds.

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But yeah, some of the other
stuff, it felt like he was out

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of his depth, you know, so.
I don't know.

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Yeah.
Speaking of that line, she talks

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in her sleep.
That was improvised by her, by

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Sean Connery.
And they actually had to like do

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a different take because when he
ad libbed it, everyone busted

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out laughing.
And Spielberg said the we're

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keeping that in.
In the original script, that was

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supposed to he was supposed to
find out that he had slept with

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her much later in the story, but
it was too good.

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They were like, we're keeping
that in.

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So they had to shoot it again
with him doing the line so.

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I didn't trust her.
Why did you?

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Yeah.
Why did you it's?

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Going to be all night, I'm
sorry.

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That's all right, right?
That's OK.

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What can I say were two ships
passing in the night or whatever

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it was.
I just think it's funny.

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He he slaps Indiana Jones.
The Jones were saying Jesus

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Christ as being blasphemous, but
he's slept with a woman half his

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age out of wedlock.
So, you know, pick.

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Pick even more so, which I'm oh,
Buddy's nerfing to her.

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I thought this was interesting.
Harrison Ford and Sean Connery

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passed up 3 subsequent
opportunities to work together

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again after this movie.
Connery accepted the role of The

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Hunt for Red October 90, but
Ford declined the role of Jack

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Ryan, which went to Alec Baldwin
instead.

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Later, Ford took over the role
in Patriot Games.

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Ford and Connery declined the
role of Alan Grant and John

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Hammond, respectively, in
Jurassic Park.

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In 93.
And Connery declined to come

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back from retirement to reprise
the role of Henry Jones senior

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in Indiana Jones in the Kingdom
of the Crystal Skull in 2008.

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Which was probably a good,
probably a good thing.

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After League of Extraordinary
Gentlemen, I don't blame him.

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Poor guy.
I like that movie.

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I did, I mean.
It's it's, it's one of those

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good, bad movies.
I understand.

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Yeah.
I, I just feel like he's

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notorious for picking these
terrible movies, right?

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Like, like he did James Bond and
then though he did James Bond,

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right?
And then like, what did he

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really do?
He did like Zardoz and like

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Outland and like all this, like
random stuff until like this.

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And that kind of revitalized his
career, you know, this and then

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Red October and things like
that.

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But it's just funny to me that
he's like, yeah, no, I'm not

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going to do the Matrix.
I'm not going to do Lord of the

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Rings, but I will do League of
Extraordinary Gentlemen.

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No to Jurassic Park, but yes to.
Yeah, and that was Spielberg,

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too.
Yeah, yeah.

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All right, so moving on, Dell
home Elliot or Den?

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Home Elliot as Marcus Brody, one
of my favorite characters.

452
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,240
He returned after Spielberg
sought to recapture the tone of

453
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,280
Raiders of Lost Ark.
Of course, they also made him a

454
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,920
little Dumber in this movie than
he was in the previous movies.

455
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,920
That's right.
Yeah, he did.

456
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,760
But he's so funny.
Yeah.

457
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:34,120
And then sorry, get the giggles
in while you can Allison Duty as

458
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:39,040
Doctor Elsa Schneider.
That is her last name DODDY.

459
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,000
We all turn into Beavis and Butt
Head when we hear the word duty.

460
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,600
While the character of Elsa is
in her 30s during the film,

461
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,440
Allison was 21 when she
auditioned and one of the first

462
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,080
actresses who met for the part.
German actress Gudrin Landgrebi

463
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,720
was invited for the casting of
Elsa but was rejected by Steven

464
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,240
Spielberg for looking too much
like Amy Irving, whom he was

465
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,720
divorcing at the time.
That's.

466
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,240
Rough.
That's rough, yeah.

467
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,640
You look like my person to be
ex-wife.

468
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,320
You're perfect for the part, but
I can't hire you because I'm not

469
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,320
going to look at someone looks
at my ex-wife for the Yeah.

470
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,360
So there was also another
actress that was, like, in the

471
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,840
running, but I didn't remember
her name and she didn't come up.

472
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,480
She did a stuff much later, but
oh, yeah.

473
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,080
She didn't get it.
But she was interesting.

474
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,200
Like I thought she would have
done more after this movie, but

475
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,040
she really didn't.
She was in a few other small

476
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,800
things, but nothing big.
Then you got John Rise Davies as

477
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,520
Sala like Elliot's he was
returned was also an attempt to

478
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,960
recapture the spirit of Raiders
lost Ark Julian Glover as Walter

479
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Donovan.
Of course, if you were keen eye,

480
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,160
you know he previously appeared
as General Veers and Lucas as

481
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,160
the Empire Strikes Back.
He originally auditioned for the

482
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,080
role of Vogel Glover, who is I'm
sorry, Glover who is English

483
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,160
adopted an American accent for
the film but said was

484
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,640
dissatisfied with the results.
So he actually doesn't like his

485
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,040
performance in this movie.
But yeah.

486
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,600
I like it.
It was.

487
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,240
Great.
It was.

488
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,200
Yeah, I thought it was good.
I honestly didn't even catch the

489
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,480
the accent wasn't American.
Yeah, yeah, it has a little bit

490
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,560
of a hint every once in a while.
But because he's working with

491
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,840
the Germans, I, I just kind of
let it slide, I guess.

492
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,640
But yeah.
And then we've got Michael Byrne

493
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,960
as Ernst Fogel, the brutal S S
officer.

494
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,320
I put him down because Byrne and
Ford had previously starred in

495
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,520
Force 10 from Navarone in 1978,
when which they also

496
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,640
respectively played a German and
an American.

497
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,920
So they're used to fighting even
before this.

498
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,800
And then the character named
Fedora in the credits, played by

499
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,400
Richard Young, was in the script
originally named Abner Ravenwood

500
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,480
because he was supposed to be
Marion Ravenwood's father in

501
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,840
Indiana's Mentor, who was
mentioned in Raiders of Lost Ark

502
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,920
and later in Kingdom of the
Crystal Skull.

503
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,600
That would have been cool, yeah.
I like that idea.

504
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,360
I thought that would have been a
nice little nod.

505
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,120
And then Sir Laurence Olivier,
widely considered to be the

506
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,800
greatest British actor of the
20th century, was briefly

507
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,280
considered to play the Grail
Knight, but he was too I'll to

508
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,680
commit to the role and died
shortly after the movie's

509
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,280
release in 1989.
I forgot to go back and look at

510
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,840
it, but I'm almost 100% sure.
And if I'm wrong then our

511
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,720
listeners or viewers can let me
know.

512
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,280
Send us an e-mail
info@86flashback.com.

513
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,360
I think the same actor that
played the Holy the Grail Knight

514
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,960
is the same guy that plays the
waiter and Scrooged that says

515
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,920
when Bill Murray's having a
little breakdown, he thinks he

516
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,520
sees the eyeball in the glass.
They're talking about yes, this,

517
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,600
thinks the waiter.
Other waiter catches on fire.

518
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I think it's because he's

519
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:58,520
like, no, no, I think he's he
says a lot like are you he not

520
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,680
the way that's on flight.
Yeah, the he.

521
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,520
Yeah, no, who is he or yeah,
there's that guy.

522
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,640
Am I right?
Jerry's looking it up.

523
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,080
It's not in.
It's not on his Wikipedia page.

524
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,160
I mean it could be on IMDb but I
don't see it.

525
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,800
I meant to look it up and I
forgot but.

526
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,120
I don't think that's it doesn't
ring a bell.

527
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,640
It was the IT was the voice that
got me though.

528
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,880
And then I was like, oh, he does
kind of look like him, just with

529
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,360
the, they made him look older
with the beard and stuff.

530
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:29,880
But I was like that voice.
I wasn't going to say, yeah,

531
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,400
whatever that line is, who is
he?

532
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,320
Or is it he?
I can't think of the line.

533
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,640
No, it's not.
It's Oh, no.

534
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,040
OK, well, that's his
doppelganger.

535
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,000
Way to burst my bubble, Jerry.
Jerry's last appearance on the

536
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,800
podcast.
I'm kidding.

537
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Never.
Disagree with your host?

538
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Never.
I'm just kidding.

539
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:56,840
He did play Jacob Marley's Ghost
in a 1990 TVA Christmas Carol.

540
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,600
That's what it was.
I'm just kidding.

541
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,080
And.
He also played Santa Claus

542
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,320
episode of the Charmings the.
Charmings, I remember that show.

543
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,120
The Snow White?
Yeah, the second one, yes.

544
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,920
Fiddlesticks, Mommy Daddy said
the F word.

545
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,440
That's the only joke I remember
from that show.

546
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,880
It was like the very first
episode.

547
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880
And I remember like
Fiddlesticks, she said the F

548
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,440
word and I just thought that was
hilarious.

549
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,400
Anyway, so moving on.
All right.

550
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,920
So anybody else from the cast
that you want to mention?

551
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,160
Or did I cover the?
I think that's pretty much

552
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,840
everybody.
Those are all the important

553
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,120
parts, right?
I have nobody I was going to add

554
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,040
so.
All right, all right.

555
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,160
This is my this.
This one's going to be tough.

556
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,080
Iconic scene.
I hope you got 1 written down

557
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,760
already.
Let's start with Jerry.

558
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,800
If someone says Indiana Jones
and the Last Crusade, what's the

559
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:52,520
first scene that comes to mind?
He chose poorly when when

560
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Donovan picks the the wrong
grail and Withers and ages and

561
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,120
turns to dust and ash and
skeletons, it's.

562
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,600
But yeah, but technically he did
not pick it.

563
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,560
Well, that's true, Allison.
Duty.

564
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,360
Yeah, Elsa picked it.
But but yeah, duty, sorry, but

565
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,880
yeah.
I mean, that's like the he chose

566
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,800
just the night looking up at
India just be like he chose.

567
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,000
I mean, that's yeah, we've said
that like my family and I've

568
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,720
said that for everything like
since then, like we say all the

569
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,520
time.
So for sure, most iconic for

570
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,160
sure.
All right, Chad, what do you

571
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,960
got?
Iconic scene.

572
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Well, Jerry stole mine, yeah.
I think.

573
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,560
Sorry, I think.
That's all of ours.

574
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,480
Yeah, I think that would put
them in all of ours just.

575
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,120
The whole, the whole, that whole
ending where you know, they're

576
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840
going, he's going through the
the three challenges.

577
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,680
And but I guess, I guess my
favorite would be just that

578
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,240
little short.
When Indy and and, and Sean

579
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,080
Connery are in the blimp,
they're having a discussion and

580
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080
he's like, you know, by being a,
you know, by being a father.

581
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,480
And he's like, you know, I, I
let you do whatever you wanted,

582
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,600
you know, Did I tell you to go
to bed?

583
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Did I tell you to do all these
things?

584
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,200
No Did.
I tell you to wash.

585
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Up that was.
Do your homework.

586
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,400
Yeah, brush your teeth.
Yeah, that was that was really

587
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,720
good.
And you saw like you saw him be

588
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,120
like, you know, he wasn't the
action hero.

589
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,360
That's that's what made this
this work as as you were talking

590
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,560
about in the beginning, that
this made it more human, like he

591
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,240
was having a conversation with
his dad.

592
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Yeah.
And like, you know, and if you,

593
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,200
you know, if your dad was the
same situation, you would have a

594
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,200
similar conversation with your
dad like this.

595
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,480
So.
So, yeah, I like that one a lot.

596
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,000
When the the beach umbrella.
I do that all the if I have an

597
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,320
umbrella and I'm on the beach,
I'm chasing birds.

598
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,160
That's.
Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop,

599
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,920
chop.
All right, I remember my

600
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Charlemagne.
Sorry.

601
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,600
OK, go ahead.
All right, Nicholas, what about

602
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,400
you?
Iconic scene aside from what's

603
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,280
been mentioned.
Yeah, aside from, I mean,

604
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,920
because I hadn't written down
like all three trials, not just

605
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,280
the one, but my I think the
other iconic scene for me is

606
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,480
that like when they meet, when
he meets, when Henry meets

607
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Henry, when Indiana meets up
with Henry for the first time,

608
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,440
like halfway through the movie.
Like just like the the castle,

609
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
like breaking in with a fake
Scottish accent, then, you know,

610
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,040
breaking the fake Ming Bays bars
and then being tied up and like

611
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,960
getting in the fireplace.
Like, yeah, yeah, just that

612
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,480
whole, like, I mean, it's just
like it once that once they meet

613
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,240
up, it's like the ball just gets
rolling.

614
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it
definitely, it definitely jumps

615
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,720
to it.
Like everything accelerates at

616
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,680
that point.
Like it's moving at a good

617
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,200
point, a good pace at that
point.

618
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,040
But once Henry Senior is on the
scene, it's it's, it becomes

619
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,200
it's own.
It's a different type of

620
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,960
adventure that kind of separates
it because the first part feels

621
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,000
like your typical Indiana Jones
movie.

622
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,440
And then when he comes in, he
kind of like flips a script

623
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,520
where it's like this banter and
the comedy and stuff.

624
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520
So and the heart with him.
You can tell he really wants to

625
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,640
impress his dad.
Like when he's doing all the

626
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,280
stuff in the in the motorcycle
chase and he's like looking at

627
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,000
his dad like it is.
And Henry Senior's giving him

628
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,320
no, kind of like his just
deadpan face.

629
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,240
And it's like, what can I do to,
like, you know, impress you?

630
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,200
So yeah, for me, iconic.
Of course, the, you know, you

631
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,080
chose poorly or you chose
wisely.

632
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,480
We've said it a million times.
The other one for me is the

633
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,160
scene where he's about to go,
where he's on the tank and

634
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,320
Indies about the tank is about
to go over.

635
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,200
And for the first time his hat
blows off, even though it was

636
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640
stuck to his head while it was
being pressed up against the

637
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,480
tank rotors or whatever.
So but yeah, just I remember

638
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,320
that the the first time, like,
Oh my gosh, his hat fell off.

639
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,800
It finally happened.
No, didn't they?

640
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,720
Staple it to his head or
something.

641
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,080
No, there's, I had that in my
notes there like they were

642
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,120
having, he was having a hard
time keeping it on during some

643
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,080
of those scenes.
They had tried different types

644
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,720
of glue and tape and there's a
there's a shot of him like

645
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,080
jokingly using a staple gun like
trying to staple it on, but it

646
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,080
wasn't.
Real sad.

647
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,160
Yeah, so urban myth, but that's
a all right.

648
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,280
So now the really hard part.
Favorite scenes which I know we

649
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,720
have many all.
Right.

650
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Yeah, I'm sure.
And Jerry?

651
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
We all have the same.
Yeah, yeah, I got to say this.

652
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,440
When he's X marks the spot and
he's trying, he grabs the

653
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,080
stanchion and tries to make it,
and the librarian is stamping

654
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,440
the books at the same time, and
the sound just, like perfectly

655
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,360
coincide.
It's amazing.

656
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Yeah, the librarian looks like
Albert Einstein.

657
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,200
It's OK.
There's been, there's plenty to

658
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400
choose from.
Yeah, yes.

659
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,800
Who else?
I got my SO one of my favorite

660
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,080
scenes is they're on the blimp.
It's not the conversation that

661
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Chad spoke of, but the guys
coming up and looking for

662
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,800
tickets and him and him and
Harrison Ford get in a fight and

663
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,680
they started.
And then he like punches him and

664
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,600
like shoves him out the window
and he turns around and goes he

665
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,040
didn't have a ticket.
And everybody whips out their

666
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,080
tickets.
That's a great one.

667
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,719
Yeah, yeah, I really enjoy all
the action scenes, like the the

668
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,320
boat scene.
The boat chase scene is probably

669
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,639
one of my favorites.
The motorcycle chase scene.

670
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,600
The tank scene to me feels a
little overdone like it just

671
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,120
without in you on the notes like
that was supposed to be a much

672
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,120
shorter scene, but Spielberg
kept adding like everything come

673
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,040
up with different ideas.
They kept adding to it.

674
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,679
So it goes a little long for me.
And it's also kind of similar

675
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,280
because he's also there's also a
tank scene in the 1st and rage

676
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,480
of the lost ark too.
So it kind of, I kind of get

677
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,239
those two mixed up sometimes.
But I love the motorcycle scene.

678
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,560
I love the boat scene.
I love the opening sequence with

679
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,240
the young indie.
You know, it comes out of the

680
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,760
comes out of the caves like
everybody's lost but me.

681
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Like that is Indiana Jones.
Like he was just, that was a

682
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,040
perfect line.
Yeah.

683
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,520
And of course, you know, the him
going through him, going through

684
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,120
the the three trials to get to
the Grail are so good.

685
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,760
You know, the penitent man will
pass.

686
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:21,240
You know, the word of God,
Jehovah starts with an I in

687
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,240
Greek.
And then of course, the the leap

688
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,080
of faith.
So which I just thought was it

689
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,040
it, it was so cool back then.
It looks a little cartoonish

690
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,360
now, like going back and looking
at the effects.

691
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,240
But but yeah, but for 1989 it's
not bad.

692
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,240
And that was some impressive
technology from like.

693
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,840
Yes.
Pre you know what prehistory or

694
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,640
whatever you know building in
invisible bridges back in you

695
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,720
know.
Yeah.

696
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,480
Single digits or whatever year
it was they built.

697
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Right, right.
And then do they like when he

698
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,280
breaks the letters that are
wrong, does somebody come back

699
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,080
and like put new letters there
so that the next person knows

700
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,360
that they're not supposed to
anyway?

701
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,720
But also I'm trying.
To what is stabilizing?

702
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,120
What is stabilizing those
letters?

703
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,760
You know, like, is it just these
really tall pillars that real?

704
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,160
I like so.
Yeah, and I did read like the

705
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,160
leap of faith, like the bridge
in the original script of one of

706
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,120
the scripts.
It wasn't like hidden, like it

707
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,600
wasn't already there.
It was supposed to be a lever

708
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,800
that laid that let the bridge
down the part of the lion, But

709
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,120
they ended up changing it.
Like I think Lucas's group, the

710
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,640
industrial Light and magic, they
ended up ILM.

711
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,360
They ended up doing the the the
special effects for that

712
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,400
portion.
So which is kind of rough

713
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,200
because there's one, there's one
shot when it's moving and he's

714
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,040
walking across, he's actually
walking like on the very edge,

715
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,080
like he's not in the middle of
the bridge.

716
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,160
He's like right on the his left
foot like is like hitting the

717
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,960
very edge of the bridge.
Anyway, that little piece always

718
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,280
bothers me when I see that.
But anyway, the other scene,

719
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,080
which, you know, I didn't really
want to talk about it, but I'm

720
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,400
going to talk about it.
The only like really big scene

721
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:13,480
where I'm like it, you know how
like make it make sense is the.

722
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,920
Meeting.
Hitler No, even though that's

723
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,200
that Part 2 was like watching it
again.

724
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,000
It's like I know he had to go
there to get the get the book

725
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,520
back from Elsa, but like him
coming face to face with Hill

726
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,480
there was kind of like, OK,
let's I mean, it's the third

727
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,480
one.
You're always fighting, you

728
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920
know, Well, that's not the third
time fighting the Nazis, but,

729
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,000
you know, it's like one of his
biggest enemies.

730
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,960
But up the state was like, yeah,
OK, here we go.

731
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,720
When Indiana's bag is caught on
the tank's gun and is being

732
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,680
dragged along the wall, no
stuntman was used.

733
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,520
Harrison Ford did it himself.
The crew just went along with

734
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,280
shovels, tipping dirt and clay
on him from above.

735
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,680
That's on the part during the
fight on the tank, when Indy

736
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,440
falls and is hooked on the gun,
it never shows how a strap

737
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,320
actually became wrapped around
the gun.

738
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,840
And also when he comes back
aboard the tank, it doesn't show

739
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,320
how it got loose either.
And that scene always bothers

740
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,160
me, Like how did it get around?
Like because that's the one that

741
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,680
the gun that's like a spread out
because Indy put the rock in it.

742
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,400
So like how did he even get on
there?

743
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:23,520
And then how did he get it off?
So anyway, that's my continuity

744
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,600
issue but.
He's Indiana Jones.

745
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,400
I don't know if I ever paid
attention to that.

746
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,840
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the problem

747
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,520
watching these movies 100 times,
because you pick up on stuff

748
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,160
like the first time I watched
it, I didn't care.

749
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,240
But when you've seen it, you've
seen it 50 or 100 times, it's

750
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,000
like, wait a minute, how did he
even get stuck like that?

751
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,160
I tell you, it was really nice
seeing Sala again.

752
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

753
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,200
He's such a good character.
I love the scene with him and

754
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Marcus.
Run.

755
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,160
What's that?
Yeah.

756
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,680
You want to see my papers?
My papers right here.

757
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,360
Run.
You know, it's like how many

758
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,880
times you have to say run before
Marcus is actually going to run.

759
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,480
And then, of course, him running
into the.

760
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,560
Well, looks like a mark and is
the back of the Nazi truck,

761
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,600
which was a nod to the scene
with Marian and the original

762
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,000
Raiders.
When she gets she moves into

763
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,600
something that's also a a facade
as well, so.

764
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,440
Yeah, I love John Rhys Davies.
He's he's fantastic.

765
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Oh yeah, I was a huge fan of
sliders, so yes, yeah, he's a

766
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,040
good on.
The iconic character, yeah.

767
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,560
Yes I do.
I think, and I could be wrong,

768
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:36,920
but I, I feel like the beginning
with the young Indiana Jones was

769
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,080
a lead up to the, the three
trials that he had on the train.

770
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,480
He would face later because you
know, he had the the thing with

771
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,600
the snakes, the one with the the
rhino and then he did the one

772
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,720
with the lion before.
Yeah, Yeah, I didn't even think

773
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,520
about that.
That's true.

774
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,160
So like he did three things on
the train kind of foreshadowing

775
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,040
he would do the three things
later in the at the, I mean at

776
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,280
the Petra.
Being that this is still the the

777
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,440
era where most of the movie is
done practical.

778
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,360
Yes.
Most of the special effects for

779
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,320
the most part hold up.
There's some there a little, but

780
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,920
that a lot of the, the circus
train special effects kind of

781
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,560
didn't hold up as well.
But I, I mean, I can easily see

782
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,560
why that part of the movie was
so well done, even though it

783
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,080
doesn't really hold up that
they're like, let's do a whole

784
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,160
TV series of that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

785
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,480
Yeah, even though we had to go
with Sean Patrick Flannery over

786
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,160
River Phoenix.
But yeah, I don't.

787
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,920
I mean, you know, like we said
earlier, like, you know, I don't

788
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,160
know how well that series holds
up, but I definitely get like

789
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,880
watching that going.
We need to do more of that.

790
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Yeah, do you remember being?
His versions better the ones

791
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,360
with the little kids.
The little kids.

792
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,960
The little kid one, there was
like 2 of them, one with Patrick

793
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,120
Flannery, whatever his name is
and then there was one with like

794
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,640
a.
Little kid, a little kid.

795
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Yeah, I do remember that.
Sorry, Jerry, go ahead.

796
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,080
No, I was just going to say, I
remember when the the show was

797
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,440
announced and I was a little
bummed that it wasn't actually

798
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,720
like Harrison Ford's Indiana
Jones.

799
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,000
I was like, oh, he's a kid.
Come on.

800
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,240
Like, I just wanted more
content.

801
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Of course.
Yeah, of course, of course.

802
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,080
All right, let's jump into some
other scene and trivia.

803
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,320
I have a lot.
I'm probably going to put more

804
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,480
in the show notes.
In the beginning of the movie,

805
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,120
when Professor Henry, Indiana
Jones Junior is teaching his

806
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,080
class, he says if it's truth
you're interested in, Doctor

807
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,640
Tyree's philosophy class is
right down the hall.

808
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,880
This is a reference to Ford's
own Professor Ford was a

809
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,840
philosophy major.
Doctor William E Tyree at Ripon

810
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,240
College in Ripon is a Ripon.
Ripon, WI.

811
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,960
Help me out.
Nicholas Ripon.

812
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,920
Ripon.
It is Ripon, Yeah, OK, no

813
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,560
disrespect to Riponites in
Wisconsin Republic, that's what

814
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,880
they're called.
I don't, I don't know.

815
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,040
It's all they have, a Culver's.
Guaranteed they got a Culver's

816
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,040
but.
Yeah.

817
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,240
So this movie has the most chase
sequences of Indiana Jones movie

818
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:20,320
with six different types of
chases, foot chase, train, boat,

819
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,520
motorcycle, plane and car.
This is also the only movie in

820
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,720
the franchise to have a boat
chase or a train chase.

821
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,040
That is until the 5th
installment, the Dial of

822
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,360
Destiny.
I did like this.

823
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,000
The temple at the end of the
movie does exist, but it's not

824
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,520
in Alexandretta, it is in Petra,
Jordan.

825
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,960
However, there is no inside to
it.

826
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,040
The doorway scene on screen is
huge.

827
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,320
Eight or nine people shoulder to
shoulder can easily walk through

828
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,760
it, but it only leads to a huge
empty square room carved from

829
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,240
the top down over 2 stories
high.

830
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,800
Similarly, they wouldn't be able
to get lost down the valley as

831
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,520
it stretches for about a mile or
so, and there's no other no

832
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,840
other route but out.
Steven Spielberg and his crew

833
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,960
were guests at the Royal Palace
of King Hussein and Queen Noor

834
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,680
during their shoot in Jordan,
and Spielberg was even brought

835
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,440
to the temple by Queen Noor and
her children.

836
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,600
Wow, I found this to be very
interesting.

837
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,880
There is actually a reason for
having two separate blades for

838
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,880
decapitating grail seekers at
the climax.

839
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,720
The first one would behead
someone who didn't kneel, while

840
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,240
the second would behead someone
who pressed his head to the

841
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,840
ground.
A Christian would kneel while a

842
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,720
Muslim would press his head to
the ground.

843
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,280
This ensured only a Christian
could make it to the Grail and

844
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,800
not a Muslim.
I was like, that was

845
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,960
interesting.
I I never would have thought of

846
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,280
that.
Yeah.

847
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,320
I always wondered what that
second was for.

848
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,800
Yeah.
And that's how I read it.

849
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,960
I was like, wow, I never would
have thought that.

850
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,880
But like, they thought that out.
And I was like, wow, yeah,

851
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,640
that's kind of actually
impressive.

852
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Like, yeah, they, they put some
real time and effort into their,

853
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,120
you know.
Research.

854
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,040
But but but then he did like a
flip over it too.

855
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,000
Right when?
They Yeah, yeah.

856
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,200
It's like Harrison, you didn't
have to do that, right?

857
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,160
And somebody, I mean, am I the
only one?

858
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,800
The blades were cartoons, right?
Like they did look like cartoon

859
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,040
blades.
Like something was off with

860
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,720
them.
Yeah, for.

861
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,280
Sure.
It's like whenever when I watch

862
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
it now, I'm like, how did this
become Roger Rabbit all of a

863
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,400
sudden anyway?
That's why the coyote they're

864
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
going to block the Acme Blade
Company.

865
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,680
Talking, speaking about
practical effects.

866
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,360
The shot of Donovan's death was
created over three months by

867
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,920
morphing together 3 puppets of
Donovan in separate stages of

868
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,720
decay, a technique that ILM
mastered on Willow in 1988.

869
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,360
A fourth puppet was used for the
decaying clothes because the

870
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,640
puppets torso mechanics had been
exposed.

871
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Complications arose when Alice
and Duty's double had not been

872
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,320
filmed for the scenes latter 2
elements, so the background and

873
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,320
hair from the first shot had to
be used throughout, with the

874
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,960
other faces mapped over it.
Donovan's skeleton was hung on

875
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,560
wires like a marionette.
It required several takes to

876
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,840
film it crashing against the
wall because not all the pieces

877
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,320
released upon impact.
So that like what, 45 seconds?

878
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,720
See, maybe, maybe a minute,
minute and a half scene took

879
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:24,880
three months to put together.
And I do like this because I

880
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,040
always thought this was a cool
thing.

881
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Baking soda was applied to Sean
Connery to create Henry's bullet

882
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,960
wound.
Vinegar was applied to create

883
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,000
the foaming effect as the water
from the grail washes over it.

884
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,160
I always thought that was a cool
effect for the little bubbles

885
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,880
and stuff.
So that's baking soda and

886
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,160
vinegar.
So next time you want to freak

887
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,680
out your parents or, you know,
freak out maybe, yeah.

888
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Or freak out, you know, you're
have some friends come over

889
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Halloween.
I've been shot.

890
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Pour some water on me and it's
vinegar and watch it go anyway.

891
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,160
And this will be my last little
trivia thing.

892
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,560
I just thought this was cool.
Cool way to to bring.

893
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,840
I didn't, I did not realize this
until I read this.

894
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:07,080
Indiana's father is sketching in
his grail diary and asks, may he

895
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,160
who eliminated this illuminate
me?

896
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,000
At the end of the movie, Indiana
asks him, what did you find?

897
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,760
Dad?
And his father replies,

898
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,080
Illumination.
And I'd never put those two

899
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,560
lines together from the
beginning and the end.

900
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,160
So I just thought that was a
cool, very cool line to to end,

901
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,760
end ONS.
All right, box office.

902
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,840
The film was released in United
States and Canada on Wednesday,

903
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:35,720
May 24th, 1989, earning a record
$37 million over the four day

904
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,000
Memorial Day weekend and of
course owning the number one

905
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,440
spot at the box office.
There were no other new releases

906
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:43,440
that weekend.
And why would you?

907
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,760
If you're going up against
Indiana Jones, that's just like

908
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,080
suicide, like, you know, suicide
there, you know, but it, it came

909
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,520
out before, like the other big
ones for that year had not come

910
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,280
out yet.
So Batman hadn't come out yet.

911
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,640
Lethal Weapon 2 hadn't come out,
Ghostbusters 2 hadn't come out.

912
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,480
So I think Rain Man was already
out.

913
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,560
And I can't remember who else
was like I looked at the top ten

914
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,840
list that wasn't like really big
movies like those are like the

915
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,720
the, the spring movies that were
trying to get out before the

916
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,320
blockbuster season of the
summer.

917
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,400
So but yeah, that was the
official first blockbuster of 89

918
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,040
and became the highest grossing
movie.

919
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,840
I think Batman won in the US but
for International Indiana Jones

920
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Last Crusade beat out Batman so.
Which makes sense.

921
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,480
It's a more international movie.
There's, you know, exotic

922
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,160
locales.
I mean, all over.

923
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,560
You go to Venice, there's German
or Austria, you know, all sorts

924
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,400
of other.
So it makes sense.

925
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,640
All right, it's time to take a
look at how well this 80s flick

926
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,160
holds up today.
The all new rewatch ability and

927
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,200
nostalgia meters, our way of
measuring how enjoyable movie is

928
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,520
for repeat viewings along with
the waves nostalgia brings.

929
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,080
Here's how it works.
It's a one to 10 scale.

930
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,920
Any number between 1:00 and
10:00 will do.

931
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,160
Here a few few parameters to
help you decide.

932
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,400
At the bottom of the meter is a
#1, which means I saw it once

933
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,160
and that was all I could handle.
Right in the middle of the five

934
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,760
is a good rewatch every couple
of years.

935
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,160
And the highly coveted top of
the meter at 10 is highly

936
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,880
rewatchable and full of
nostalgia.

937
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,080
So let's start with Jerry.
Where does Indiana Jones and

938
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,000
Last Crusade rank for you on the
Nostalgia Watchability meter?

939
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,360
Definitely huge.
So I can't quite decide between

940
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,440
A9 or A10.
I love this movie.

941
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,960
I I watch it, like I said, at
least once every one year or or

942
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,880
two years for sure, but
sometimes once a year.

943
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,040
So it's somewhere around 9 or
10.

944
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,400
I'll say 9 1/2.
Just just, yeah, just 'cause I

945
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,240
can't decide.
So I'll split the difference.

946
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,880
Yeah, I like that.
What about you, Nicholas?

947
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,360
I'm going to give it a good
solid 8.

948
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,080
OK.
I mean, it's really good.

949
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,040
I really enjoy it.
I mean, I enjoy Indiana Jones as

950
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,960
a whole, but like, I don't, you
know, it's just, I've got so

951
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,520
many other movies I watch and
then I want to watch new stuff

952
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,680
like, you know, I mean it.
So I will watch it, you know,

953
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,480
more often than other movies.
So you know, a good solid 8.

954
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,880
OK, I like it. 8's a good one.
All right, Chad, what you got?

955
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,560
I'm right there with Jerry.
It's a 9.5 for me.

956
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,640
I will watch this.
I'll watch this anytime.

957
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,600
If you put it on.
I'm going to sit there and watch

958
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,000
this movie.
I love this movie.

959
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,000
I've loved it since I first
watched it.

960
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,600
I really wish my parents would
have let me go on see in the

961
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,920
theater.
That's so wild.

962
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Yeah, well, there were there
were sticklers for that for some

963
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,960
reason, like like rated PG13
movies like had just started

964
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,160
too.
Right, right.

965
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,720
That wasn't like a thing like a
couple of years before that.

966
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:50,800
Yeah, but I will say like when
it first started, they it got

967
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,360
real, they didn't really know
where the parameters were.

968
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,720
So there was a lot of that's the
PG13 that was like borderline,

969
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,240
you know, so I could, I could
see them being a little

970
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:00,720
skeptical.
But, and you're right, Temple

971
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,600
will do.
Yeah, it was scarier.

972
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,320
Yeah.
Yeah.

973
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,880
Yeah, well, and Temple of Doom
was one of the movies that

974
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,920
created.
The exactly.

975
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,320
Yep, Yep.
So yeah, definitely, definitely

976
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,960
not an 1/2 for me.
Yeah, I was all ready to get.

977
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,280
I was ready to give it a 10.
I mean, this was going to be

978
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,360
like the first one that I've
given a tint on the podcast.

979
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,040
And then I heard myself say, you
know, it's been a couple of

980
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,880
years since I watched this all
the way through.

981
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,720
So it's not one that I watch all
the time.

982
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,960
So I'm going to give it a very
strong nine, probably close to

983
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,800
like a 9 1/2 like you guys have
said.

984
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,120
But as I said before, it's my
favorite of the Indiana Jones

985
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,560
movies.
I like Raiders.

986
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,920
Raiders gets a is a little slow
to get started.

987
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,560
It takes a little while.
I mean, as a great beginning,

988
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,880
but it just it kind of lulls a
little bit in the middle.

989
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,640
But re watching this one, it
gives me all of those summer

990
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,400
blockbuster is like a true
popcorn flick, like something

991
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,960
you just go to the you know, you
just want to escape and have a

992
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,360
good time.
And I will say this is the first

993
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,600
movie that I watched.
We my wife got me a video

994
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,560
projector and screen like for
outdoors for Christmas and I had

995
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:11,040
I had it hanging up on our back
balcony for a little while, but

996
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,640
it's summer and the bugs and
mosquitoes, even with like the

997
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,560
little anti bug things around, I
just couldn't, I was never able

998
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,480
to finish a movie out there.
So we have kind of an unfinished

999
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,880
basement downstairs.
So I decided to like I'm, I

1000
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,440
think it'll fit.
So I put the screen on the wall.

1001
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,720
I set up everything.
We had an old couch.

1002
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,000
So I'm kind of my man cave is
becoming a reality and this was

1003
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,760
the first movie I watched from
beginning to end on my big

1004
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,840
screen.
And it was kind of goes like,

1005
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,320
hey, this is almost like going
to the theater.

1006
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,560
This is kind of nice.
So so it was good to it was fun

1007
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,800
to watch like on a really big
screen.

1008
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,480
Again, It's that it's that type
of movie that you want to see on

1009
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,120
like the biggest screen possible
for sure.

1010
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:54,440
So, so yeah, so yeah, I'll go
with 9 if you twist some arm at

1011
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
9 1/2, but I think I think
everybody's pretty, pretty

1012
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:58,920
accurate there.
So.

1013
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,080
I will say of all the Indiana
Jones movies, this is the one I

1014
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,640
have seen the most often.
Yes, same.

1015
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,520
I would agree with that same.
Yeah.

1016
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Like, you're right, Raiders is
great, but this one has just

1017
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,200
really gets into the characters
more, especially it's because of

1018
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,280
that relationship between Indy
and his dad.

1019
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,840
And so I think for me that
because of that, like you said,

1020
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,200
it kind of just brings it up,
just just edges it out slightly.

1021
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,640
Yeah.
But I do like how all the films

1022
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,560
kind of start off with like this
cold open, like from a previous

1023
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,680
adventure, just.
Yeah, it's really interesting.

1024
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,600
It's like I like that it's
consistent and it's just, it

1025
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:41,400
makes you like realize indie
gets around.

1026
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,840
This guy is just he.
He does a lot of stuff.

1027
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,000
Yeah.
I mean, it was like they were,

1028
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,760
they were pulling from like the
old serials at the time, like

1029
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,680
making it like those.
And you see that especially I

1030
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,520
like there are a couple of
scenes and this one at the

1031
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,200
beginning with them pulling
where they were pulling the

1032
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,760
river Phoenix up out of the the
last, the lion, the lion one or

1033
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,240
whatever.
And like how that, yeah, how

1034
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,760
they pull them out really fast.
Like that reminds me like an old

1035
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,080
kind of a like serial kind of
old, old movie kind of the way

1036
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,000
it was filmed.
So.

1037
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,120
But yeah.
All right.

1038
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,960
Well, thanks, Jerry D Thanks,
Nicholas.

1039
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,800
Thanks, Chad, for joining this
episode.

1040
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,600
Jerry D Totally rad.
Christmas.

1041
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,840
It's Christmas in July.
What do you guys got going on?

1042
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:29,880
So for Christmas in July, we
talked Let's see Better Homes

1043
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,760
and Gardens.
We talked Lupin the third Part 2

1044
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,520
Beverly Hills teens.
I don't know if you remember

1045
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,960
that cartoon there was a let's
see one that's coming up is Mt

1046
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,160
VS Headbangers Ball.
Like they had a Christmas all

1047
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,360
right.
A.

1048
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,640
Headbangers Christmas from 1988
and Mr. Dress Up, which was like

1049
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,560
a Canadian Mr. Rogers and so few
things.

1050
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,200
Yeah, pretty excited.
Got some fun stuff coming up.

1051
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,120
Very cool, Nicholas, what's
going over it?

1052
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,160
I'm going going on over at pop
culture roulette for July.

1053
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,120
I'll just.
I just doing.

1054
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,720
It out week by week.
Figuring out week by week,

1055
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,600
anything and everything we want
to talk about, we talk about it

1056
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,280
and just have lot of brackets
games.

1057
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,120
We just try to we try to amuse
ourselves and hopefully we're

1058
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,560
amusing everybody along with it.
So if you want to find us pop

1059
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,280
culture roulette on Facebook or
Instagram or any anywhere you

1060
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,760
can get your podcast.
Definitely check out Totally

1061
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,800
Right Christmas and Pop Culture
roulette for sure.

1062
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,400
And then Chad Still, the
afternoon DJ at the radio

1063
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,360
station.
I sure am Yep still there and if

1064
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,760
if any of your your viewers
listeners are in the McDonough

1065
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,600
area, I do want to give a shout
out.

1066
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,120
We mentioned Culver's.
My wife and I host a game group

1067
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,640
that meets the 2nd and 4th
Monday of so tomorrow from our

1068
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,880
recording, not when it's
released, but second and 4th

1069
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,480
Monday of the month.
We have a game night.

1070
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,960
It's called game night bites and
go to game night bites to check

1071
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,600
it out.
My wife did a great job with the

1072
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,480
website and we're excited.
We're trying to expand it and

1073
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,320
it's in cold.
It's the culverts in McDonough,

1074
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,080
GA.
So if anybody using the area,

1075
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,400
come on by, play a game, have
some food and yeah, that's one

1076
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,080
of the acts shout out.
So that's good.

1077
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,960
I love Culver's.
Give me the give me the cheese

1078
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,960
dipping sauce from my fries and
I'm a happy man.

1079
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,960
It's tomorrow.
Well, again, I know this will

1080
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,200
come out later, but from this
recording it is tomorrow, so all

1081
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:27,960
right.
Cool.

1082
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,160
Yeah.
Well, thank you guys so much for

1083
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,800
joining.
Always a pleasure to have all

1084
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,440
three of you guys on the show.
If you enjoyed this episode or

1085
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,400
first of all, where does Indiana
Jones Last Crusade rank for you

1086
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,440
on the nostalgia and rewatch
ability meter?

1087
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:45,440
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1088
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,640
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1089
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,560
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1090
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,520
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1091
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,840
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1092
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,920
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1093
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1094
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1099
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1100
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