#139 - "Rambo III" (1988) with Chris Adams & JB Huffman

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On this episode of the 80s flick
Flashback, we're diving into a

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film that followed A surprising
stumble for one of the biggest

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action stars of the decade.
In 1987, Sylvester Stallone

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seemed invincible after
dominating the box office in 85

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with the second and third
highest grossing films of the

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year and another blockbuster in
86 with Cobra.

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His grip on Hollywood's action
throne appeared unshakable, yet

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his arm wrestling Canon Films
classic Over the Top shockingly

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bombed.
So for his next movie, Stallone

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turn to one of his most iconic
characters, Rambo.

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This brings us to this 80s flick
sequel, often seen as the most

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outlandish entry in the
franchise.

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It's story Rambo heading to
Afghanistan to aid the

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Mujahideen against the Soviets
has certainly aged, especially

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post 911.
So get ready to leave the

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monastery, grab your explosive
tipped arrows, and jump in the

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chopper as Chris Adams, JB
Huffman and I dissect 1988 Rambo

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3 on this episode of the 80s
Flick Flashback Podcast.

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Well, welcome in everybody.
I'm Tim Williams, I'm your host

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of the 80s slick flashback
podcast.

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I'm so excited to have two of my
favorite Co host joining me for

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what is sure to be an explosive
episode.

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First up, we'll need a one man
army of cinematic insight.

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He's the first man I call.
It's the always ready for action

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JB Huffman.
How you doing JB?

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I'm doing great man, Ready to
talk about one of my favorite

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actors movies.
Yeah, you got.

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You got it right.
You got it right.

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And joining him tonight is a man
who brings more firepower of

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film knowledge than a Soviet
Hind helicopter.

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It's the unstoppable Chris
Adams.

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How you doing Chris?
I'm, well, I don't know how to

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follow that.
That's that's that's a really

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big description to live up to
there.

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Hey, if it wasn't.
I feel like a tourist here.

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I caught that reference.
Caught that?

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Reference.
I was hoping you would.

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Cool.
Well, before we jump into the

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episode, I want to give a shout
out to a new podcast review that

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we've gotten recently got a five
star review from Kristen Cook

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and she said best podcast ever,
which I have to agree and I am

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biased.
She said I would much rather

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watch 80s movies than the newer
movies that are out today.

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The 80s flick flashback features
some of my favorite movies.

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I love listening to their
opinions of the movies and

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memories they have.
A few of my favorites are Mr.

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Mom, Space Camp, Pee Wee's big
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Keep up the great work.
Thank you Kristen, appreciate

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those kind words.
Thank you so much for reaching

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out to us.
She actually reached out to me

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on social media and I was like,
hey, if you write us a review,

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that'd be really cool.
And she did.

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So I appreciate her taking the
time to do that.

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Podcast or your favorite podcast
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Well, let's jump into this
episode.

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We're in our Summer of Sequels 2
series, so we're covering Part 3

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sequels from the 80s.
So if you've missed the first

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two we've done, we started off
the series with Superman 3.

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We had a little bonus episode of
Friday the 13th, which is not a

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Part 3, but we had a Friday the
13th.

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And then our last episode JB and
I covered Karate Kid Part 3.

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So to continue in the series of
sequels that show why trilogy's

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are not always a great idea,
it's Rambo 3.

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So we've covered First Blood,
which was fantastic.

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We covered Rambo First Blood
Part 2, which was fun for what

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it was, becoming a straight up
action flick instead of more of

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a war drama that First Blood
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And then because it made sense
to go from First Blood to Rambo

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First Blood Part 2 to then make
your sequel just Rambo 3.

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And I am the person that if I
see First Blood listed as Rambo

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Colon First Blood, I, I, I
reject that.

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I do not accept that title.
That was not the title as it was

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released.
Just like Star Wars, A New Hope

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will never be Episode 4.
It will always be A New Hope.

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But anyway.
Star Wars.

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Just Star Wars.
Just Star Wars, that's what.

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Yeah.
It wasn't even a New Hope.

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It was just Star Wars.
So All right, well, let's jump

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into Rambo 3.
So Chris, when did you see Rambo

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3 for the very first time?
I went to the movies and watched

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it.
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When it came to theaters, I that
was, I was looking forward to it

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because I really liked Part 2
and I was hoping for something,

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you know, as big or bigger.
Now I did like part three.

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I'm, I'm not going to say that I
didn't, I did like it, but 2 is

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my absolute favorite.
But definitely at the theaters

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when it came out.
Very cool.

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What about you, JB?
Like many 80s movies, it was one

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that I don't remember not
watching.

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And like most 80s movies, I
definitely did not watch it in

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theaters because I was 2.
But that was probably, that

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would probably be a little
problematic if you saw it in the

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theater at age 2.
A little.

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Just a little bit.
Would have been more impressive

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though is if you saw it and
remembered it at age.

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Yes, yes.
Hey, I'll, I'll, I'm going to

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defend myself.
I've been wanting to cover a

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movie that I've actually seen in
theaters, but we've been putting

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it off for the last three years.
We're getting there talking

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about.
This is the year, man.

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This is the year.
Tim knows what I'm talking

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about.
I do.

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I know exactly.
Christmas 2025.

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We're gonna if it's.
Christmas.

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I already know what it is if
it's Christmas because Prancer

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only got to do it last year I
think it was.

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Or the year before.
Yeah, Hey.

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If you heard it here first, you
heard it here first.

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YouTube.
It's Prancer guys.

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It's coming, it's coming, it's
coming.

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We've been putting it off for
way too long.

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Like that was me and you know,
Jerry Dion, totally rad

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Christmas.
We scheduled to do Cobra, I

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promise you like 5 or 6 times.
And every time we try to do it,

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something happened.
We had to reschedule.

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We finally did it, but it was
like I had watched, I like

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watched it three times to record
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So I said I've seen Cobra way
more than I wanted to.

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But anyway, sidebar.
So yeah, so Rambo 3, I, I have a

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vague memory that maybe I saw
this in the theater, but I did

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not see it like when it first
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I think I waited until it was at
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it or I may even waited until it
was on VHS before I watched.

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It was not one that I remember.
I don't have like a fond memory

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of seeing it in the theater.
I remember seeing it.

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I remember seeing Rambo First
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this one I did not.
So.

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So how long has it been since
you rewatched it before

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rewatching it for the podcast
JB?

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I looked back, it was September
of last year because I, I had

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been putting off rewatching
these for a while.

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And when, when Last Blood came
out in 2019, I was like, I was

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like, man, I need to rewatch
these.

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And then I like never got around
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And I don't know why.
Like I, I couldn't make, I

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couldn't catch it in theater at
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And so then finally last year I
was like, I just need to go back

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and watch them all and then
watch Last Blood.

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And so I did.
I cranked through them, man.

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And it was just, it was, it was
a fun experience.

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I'd I'd forgotten about before.
I'd forgotten like, yeah, it was

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because I'd only seen that like,
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The other ones I've seen like,
you know, so many times so.

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Yeah, what about you, Chris?
Earlier this year, actually, I

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was looking for something to
watch and I was going through

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that Roku app, The Roku Channel.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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And they had a marathon going
all day and end of the night

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repeating, starting with first
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four, and then it started back
over at 1 and it just kept

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repeating all night.
So I actually saw it one whole

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time and part of another time
that same day.

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Little double dip there.
Yeah, yeah, I like.

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Same with JB when Rambo Last
Blood came out, I think it had

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been out for a while because I
think once it finally went to

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like video, I want to say like
back when it was Voodoo, now

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it's Fandango at home.
But when is Voodoo?

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You got like they had like a
deal for like all the Rambo

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movies.
So first blood all the way to

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the director's cut of Last
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And so I was like, I'm just
going to go ahead and get it so

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I can have all of them because I
wanted the I wanted the first

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two anyway.
And so I did the same thing.

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I started with First Blood, then
watch Rambo Part 2.

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And I remember watching this, we
had bought a grill because it

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was right around summertime.
We had bought a new grill and so

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I was putting the grill together
in our little sunroom and I had

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it on.
So it's kind of like watching

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it, but kind of like half
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So watching it this time, I was
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what was going on.
So but but yeah, I was probably

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that had have been like 2019.
I think it was before 2020, so

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before COVID.
So it's weird how our lives have

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that that distinction like his
before COVID or after COVID or

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in the middle of COVID, which is
like the year that we forget.

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But anyway, all right, well,
let's jump into story origin and

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pre production.
So got a little bit here.

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Not a whole lot, but we'll we'll
take it as it comes.

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According to the December 1990
issue of Spy Magazine,

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screenwriters and novelists
Richard Dobbins and Evan Slauson

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wrote the original story
treatment for the third film

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titled Rambo Holy War.
Several other writers did their

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own versions before Sylvester
Stallone and Sheldon Lettich

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wrote the final script.
David Morrell, who wrote the

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original book First Blood, said
how when he was writing his

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novelization of the film, every
week he would get a new script

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for the film and each one would
have been very different from

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the last.
Morel also wrote a version of

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the script for Rambo 3IN which
Rambo and Trotman's wife, who

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just like him is also a military
expert, go to South America to

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save Troutman from some dictator
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But that script was rejected.
The road to Rambo 3 was a tough

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one.
Initially.

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Highlander's Russell Mulcahy was
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He was fired after two weeks of
filming in Israel when his

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choices for vicious looking
Russian troops seemed, in

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Stallone's words, to be two
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boys that resembled red rejects
from a surfing contest and

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quote.
The film would also go through

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three cinematographers.
Instead, Peter MacDonald, the

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second unit director of Rambo
First Blood Part 2 was hired,

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which meant the movie's action
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We'll never know what the
original version of Rambo 3 was,

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but it was if it was over the
top action and non-stop

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explosions they wanted,
MacDonald was the right guy for

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the job.
MacDonald never hit the big time

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as a direct re director with
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after this one he directed Use
MO Money with Damon Wayans or is

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The Neverending Story Part 3 and
1998's Legionnaire with

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Jean-Claude Van
Any anything you guys found you

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wanted to add or is there any
anything interesting in there

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you wanted to talk about?
Nothing for me.

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I think it's interesting that
this that Peter McDonald has

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directed like so many like third
episodes of a trilogy or never

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any sort of three.
And then of course, Indiana

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Jones, the one he did so like
not even in that trilogy.

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So it's like, yeah, distant from
any any of them, but it's just

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funny.
But not.

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Yeah, yeah.
This is one that when I was

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watching it, I was trying to
remember if this is one of those

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movies like, you know, Stallone
will like have a director, quote

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UN quote, a director on set, but
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directing it.
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one of those, which is probably,
which is probably pretty true,

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but him being a second, you
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he's directed but not been like
the primary director.

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So he was probably taking a lot
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At this point, man Stallone is
running the show.

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Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, I mean, he's been very

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public about his 80s, early 90s
persona being his ego was was

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way too high so.
He has several movies he took

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over, didn't he?
Wasn't just Rambo I mean.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
Wasn't Cobra one of them as

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well?
Cobra was definitely one that he

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like pretty much directed
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So which is why I guess Rambo 4,
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he directed that one and I think
he direct, did he direct the

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last one First Blood?
I mean Last blood.

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I know he wrote the story for
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Think he did?
Did he take over Tango and cash

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too?
Probably there's a.

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Like I think.
We covered that.

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Yeah, I've done, I think.
Adrian Greenberg did The Last

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Blood.
OK, All right.

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Yeah, a director that took.
Instruction from He did 4

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though.
OK, he did.

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He did Rambo.
Yeah, the sequel without a

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number or a.
Why did Rambo 3 become come

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before Rambo?
I don't understand that but OK.

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Hey, we go in, it goes from
Rocky to Rocky 5 to then John

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Rambo.
So I mean, I mean, not John.

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Rocky was a Rocky Balboa, Rocky
five.

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Yeah, sorry, wrong series.
So yeah, the Rocky movies at

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Rocky 1/2, the Balboa.
So sure, that makes sense.

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It was the 80s, man.
Well, that wasn't even the 80s

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anyway.
Doesn't matter.

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So that's just alone.
All right, let's get into

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casting, talk about Sylvester
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I literally have three people to
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it's pretty small, and all three
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talked about in previous
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This is going to go by really
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So of course, Sylvester Stallone
is John J Rambo.

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Stallone decided it was time to
go big or go home when he came

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to Rambo 3, since he'd never
gone big before that point and

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demanded a whole jet as payment.
He got it, too, which shows

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serious faith on the part of the
producers who pointed up $12

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million for Stallone does have
his own Gulfstream jet to make

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to put on the headband for the
third time.

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So you can tell me it's not
about money, It's all about

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making good movies.
But the dude got a plane.

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That was his payment.
Oh yeah.

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I try to what's.
Around, you know.

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Oh yeah, I'll try to get that in
my next.

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My next.
There you go.

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They might give me a personal
little small drone I can fly

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around or something, but.
Instead of buy me a coffee.com,

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it will be buymeaplane.com.
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There you go.
We'll get little miniature like

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Hot Wheels planes like here's
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model I put on my on my desk.
So all right.

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And then we got Richard Krenna
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This was the last Rambo film to
* Richard Crenna as Colonel Sam

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Troutman.
He passed away on January 17th,

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2003 before the 4th film could
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But that that film Rambo from
2008 was dedicated to his

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memory.
He also later appeared in Hot

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Shots part, due in 1993, which
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Before taking the part, Krinna
actually approached Sylvester

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Stallone for his opinion and
asked for his blessing,

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something Stallone was more than
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And I will tell you, I've seen
Hotshots part do more times than

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I've seen Rambo 3.
And when it got to that scene

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where there where Stallone's
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outside the monastery and all I
could see was the Hot shots part

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Do.
And I know they don't do this in

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the movie with, but in the Hot
Shots, he puts the the guy puts

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like the hot wax on his first
and then gets like the nails and

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screws.
And then Charlie Sheen does the

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same thing, but it's like
chocolate and then like

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sprinkles and like it's ice
cream toppings or whatever, man.

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So yeah, I love the Hot shots
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Those are both those are
hilarious.

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And the second one is definitely
like, it parodies like all of

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the Rambo movies.
So it was it's also one of my

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favorites, but it was cool to
have Richard Krenna show up in

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that one and be like the big
cameo for that.

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And then one of our favorites
here, Kurt Wood Smith as Robert

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Griggs.
Of course, we covered him and

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our RoboCop and Dead Poets
Society episodes.

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This was a fun fact I was not
aware of.

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Kurt Wood Smith played the role
of the quote UN quote first

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choreographer in Stallone's film
Staying Alive from 1983.

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So he returned.
He returned to work with

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Stallone a second time, hot off
the heels of his breakout

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performance and RoboCop.
But yeah.

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I'd love him as Red Foreman
though.

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Yeah, I know.
Yeah, you can't.

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I mean, you can't.
Yeah.

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You can't talk about it without
talking about being Red Foreman,

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so.
I always liked the little things

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that was going around.
They had Red Foreman for

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president when they had the
presidential election going

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along.
For sure, for sure.

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I really like I don't remember
him in Deadpool society.

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He was the father, Yeah, OK.
He was the dad who didn't want

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his son to be the actor.
Yeah, the Robert Sean Leonard's

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that.
That's right.

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Yep, gotcha.
But yeah, I just rewatched

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RoboCop a couple weeks ago.
I watched the director's cuts on

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Max and so the director's cut
just means like it has all the

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extra blood, you know, it's a
little bit more gruesome than

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the original.
Be forewarned.

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But it was cool.
All right, that's it forecast.

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Because everybody else was
basically like a Israeli actor

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or you know, European.
So nobody that had any kind of

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filmography that we'd be aware
of.

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So, But anybody in the cast
stand out to you besides the

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three, the main, even even
Kerword Smith's more like a

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cameo.
He's at the very beginning, and

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then he shows up halfway to let
him know that Troutman's been

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kidnapped, and then you don't
see him again at all.

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So yeah.
Anytime I see him I just expect

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him to use that same line that
he says that I can't say on air.

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From That 70s Show.
Yeah, exactly.

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No, I, I none of really stood
out other than the guy that the

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one guy that had that speech
which we can talk about later.

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Cool, say speech.
Yes, speech.

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It's more like a quote,
dialogue, whatever you want to

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call it.
Yep.

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All right, well, let's talk
about iconic scenes.

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If someone said to you Rambo 3,
what's the first scene that pops

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into your head?
I'll go with Chris this time.

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I always, I don't know why this
is the first one that comes to

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mind, but there are, you know,
he's already rescued Troutman

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and they're on the way back and
he's fighting the big Russian

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guy on top of the the hill or
the mountain or whatever.

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And he does the spinning
Roundhouse kick and knocks him

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down the hole with the pins
pulled from the grenades or

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something.
Right, right.

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Yeah.
That always stands out to me for

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some reason and comes to mind
first.

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Yeah, I can see that.
What about you, JB?

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Iconic scene.
Iconic scene.

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Well, the one that stands out to
me the most like that I just

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will always remember was the
the, the sheep game on the, on

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the horsebacks, like where
they're like doing the carrying

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the sheep from the the thing.
And then it leads right into

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that battle where the helicopter
shows up.

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Yeah.
And it's just, and then you see

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him on the, on the him and his
other other guys like on the

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horses, like running away from
it like that, that shot right

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there as I always remember that.
But but him carrying the sheep

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around that horse is just
something I've always like,

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always remember it's, I mean,
it's a cool, it's a weird

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looking game, but it's just
like.

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Yeah, so it's like football.
Yeah.

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So it is like football, What you
said football.

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Yeah.
Why do you, why do you put it in

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the circle?
Because there's a circle there.

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Yeah, right.
So it is like football.

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Right, right.
So do you play it with your

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foot?
Not really.

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Not really.
So yeah.

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So I had some trivia about about
the game on horseback.

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In reality, Sylvester Stone has
been riding courses since

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childhood and even competed in
his first polo match at age 11.

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The game they're participating
in is called Butzkashi Butzkashi

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and is played all across
southern Central Asia.

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So there you go, it's called
Buskashi BUZKASHI for those

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taking notes at home.
For me, the iconic scene, it was

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funny because right before the
scene happened, I was like, I

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couldn't remember it.
Was it this movie or was it in

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First Blood Part 2?
But the scene that I I'd like I

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always remember from this movie
or just like a, a Rambo scene

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that I remember is when he got
shot and it went straight

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through his like his side and he
puts the gunpowder on both sides

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and then lights it.
Like, seeing that as a kid was

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just like, Oh my gosh, would
that really work?

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Probably not.
But it was really cool.

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It was so cool to see, like, the
flame coming out of both, you

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know, the front and the back.
And then he just, you know, from

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then on, he's just running and
it doesn't hurt.

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So.
But yeah, that's that scene.

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That's the scene that always
sticks out to me.

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Like that's an essential or a
quintessential Rambo scene for

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me.
See, now you got me wondering,

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will it work?
I mean, it's it's I've been

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gunpowder out of both sides.
It catches fire.

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One flames to the other.
It cauterizes the wound.

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Yeah, I mean, I could see it.
I I don't want to be the one to

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test it out though.
Well, you know, I did.

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I called my local physician.
He's going to be a guest and I'm

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just kidding.
Let us know if it really if it

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can really work.
But if your physician listens to

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the show, let us know.
And we would love to know is

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could that really happen?
I have a feeling it couldn't and

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I'm sure Mythbusters couldn't
get the insurance to try that

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one.
Hey, let me shoot you.

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Let me shoot you in the side and
see if this works.

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So.
You're going to feel a pinch.

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Yeah, this might hurt just a
little bit.

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Hold still, we got to get it
right in the right spot, man.

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All right.
What about favorite scenes?

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Any favorite scenes in this one,
man?

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Struggling, I can tell already.
Well, no.

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The thing is, I think the sheep
game is probably my favorite.

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Yeah, yeah.
But it's, it's, it was, it's

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also really iconic too.
And I was going to, I was going

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to mention the gunpowder thing
just because it's so freaking

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BA, you know what I mean?
Like, it's just like, it's just

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watching him do it.
It's like, it's like kind of

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makes me cringe.
And I'm like, man, that's a dude

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right there.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Oh yeah.

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Yeah.
He's not screaming or anything,

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which I guess he can't because
he would get caught, but I don't

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know.
I think The Cave fire where he's

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hunting all these guys down and
with the bow and arrow, just

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like, yeah.
Like The Cave scene is pretty

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cool.
So Dang good.

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Yeah, like pretty cool.
I always thought a little bit of

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a humorous scene at least, was
when he first gets there and he

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meets the guy and he's going to
get his stuff from him and he's

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giving him the stuff he
requested.

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00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,840
And he's like, you know, you
sure you want to be here?

448
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,120
You know, you, you look like a
tourist or something.

449
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,400
He's like, I'm no tourist.
He's looking at the stuff he's

450
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,800
got and he's like looking at, I
guess he's just some explosives

451
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,080
there and stuff.
And yeah, then he got this.

452
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,160
The blue light, he goes, well,
what is this?

453
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,800
He goes.
The blue light, he goes.

454
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,920
Yeah.
What does it do?

455
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,080
It turns blue.
That's it.

456
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,560
Yeah, that was a good line.
That was a yeah.

457
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600
I don't really have what like I
think you cover like The Cave

458
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,560
scene was definitely one of my
favorite scenes.

459
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,800
I remember that the scene of him
like taking down the chopper

460
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:46,240
with his his bomb tipped arrow,
explosive tipped arrows, which I

461
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,160
did think it was funny.
Like when the when the

462
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,120
helicopter crashes and
everybody's getting off the

463
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:55,720
plane, it's so convenient how he
grabs his pack that has his his

464
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,000
bow and arrow, which he has to
put together later as he's put

465
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,880
it together.
So, you know, at least they

466
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,480
didn't have a continuity problem
there.

467
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,600
But when he grabbed the bag, I
was like, that's, that's going

468
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,480
to become important later.
I have a feeling.

469
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,400
And it did.
But yeah.

470
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,400
It did seem like he had an awful
lot of arrows.

471
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,560
Yes, yes, I would agree with
you.

472
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,320
That's all I'm going to say.
Yeah, not.

473
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:17,880
Quite where did those arrows
come?

474
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,560
From he.
Picked them up.

475
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,000
He wouldn't pick them up off the
bodies and put them back in his

476
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,680
quiver.
They'll.

477
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,720
Say, not quite as many as
Legolas would have in his

478
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,200
quiver, right?
I mean still.

479
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,160
Sure.
Yeah, where is he getting all

480
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,400
these magic arrows?
From well, he's an elf.

481
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,360
He can make those.
He probably can make create

482
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,720
those in his mind or whatever.
Elf magic.

483
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,120
That's true.
That's true.

484
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,080
But yeah, but even like can.
We see Rambo as an elf.

485
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,560
He'd be a very angry elf.
Very.

486
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,400
Angry.
Elf What was North Pole?

487
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,440
Elf one.
More time referencing.

488
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,360
Yeah, you're an angry little
elf, aren't you?

489
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,760
I wasn't going to say.
Oh, but yeah, just same with the

490
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,600
like, there's one gun battle, I
think, where I'm like, they're

491
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,560
just firing and firing and like,
nobody's changing their

492
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,760
magazines.
Like nobody's running out of

493
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520
bullets at all.
They're just continuing to fire

494
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,080
over and over again.
I'm like, yeah.

495
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:09,960
Pick a page out of the A Teams
book.

496
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,480
There you go.
There you go.

497
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,400
Who needs logic?
I would be remiss though if I

498
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,680
didn't mention there wasn't in
all of the cheesy 80s like

499
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,880
action, just for action stuff
throughout this movie.

500
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,320
There is that one scene where
Masood, I mentioned it earlier

501
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,000
where he says, like when we
fight, we're fighting to protect

502
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,280
our land and we're fighting for
our God.

503
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,200
But if you think that this man
is, is it's necessary to save

504
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,600
this man, then we'll stand with
you.

505
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,840
This guy just met him.
You know what I mean?

506
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,600
Like these guys just met, but
like the fact that he's there

507
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,720
standing with him to fight and
go into this battle like where

508
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,600
they're probably going to die.
That's that's a pretty cool

509
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,160
scene for me too.
And it's it kind of kind of hits

510
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,680
me a little bit like in, in more
than, you know, anything else in

511
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,800
this movie because it's it's
very, very heavy action for

512
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,880
throughout the zone.
Yeah, I will say like even

513
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,560
though it is a very action
oriented, I've Stallone tends to

514
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280
like to want to make some kind
of a statement in those in his

515
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,000
movies.
And there was he was definitely

516
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,200
making statements in this one.
So yeah, I could.

517
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,600
I mean, I could see that.
Or like when when when he tells

518
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,400
him that what he was talking
about going to save his

519
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,720
commanding officer and he was
OK, well, we're going to if you

520
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,000
get captured, we're going to
deny any part in this.

521
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,120
And the fact that we even know
you exist.

522
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,480
And he's like, yeah, sounds
familiar.

523
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,160
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, talking about making a

524
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,000
statement.
I've heard that before.

525
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,880
Yeah, right.
All right, well, let's jump into

526
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,680
some some trivia.
I'm actually going to start with

527
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,520
some deleted scenes that I found
out about.

528
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,080
There was extra dialogue that
was filmed but cut from the

529
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,840
scene where Griggs informs Rambo
of Troutman's capture and then

530
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,680
tells Rambo that he is really
sorry.

531
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,040
In the deleted footage, Griggs
firmly tells Rambo about the

532
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,280
impossibilities of sending a
rescue force in after Rambo ask

533
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,760
why he won't do anything about
it.

534
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,120
Some of the deleted dialogue,
however, can be seen in the

535
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,720
original trailer, which is
pretty common, and also the

536
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040
film's ending was longer in the
original cut, as Rambo and

537
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Troutman are driving away from
the Freedom Fighters camp, as

538
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,480
seen in the in the theatrical
cut, Rambo decides not to go

539
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,080
back home with Troutman to
America.

540
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,960
Rambo decides to stay with the
Freedom Fighters, feeling that

541
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,920
he has finally found somewhere
he belongs.

542
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,000
Troutman understands and says
goodbye to Rambo, wishes him

543
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,760
luck, and returns home to
America alone.

544
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,760
So a little bit longer scene.
I don't know if I like 1 better

545
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,560
than the other but so there I
did find where the one of the

546
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,600
lost drafts of Rambo 3.
It was alternate story they felt

547
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,640
was a better fit for the
franchise.

548
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,400
But it would and it would save
the film makers from several

549
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,520
issues that plagued the final
movie.

550
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaking with Indie Film Hustle
Podcast Co writer Sheldon Lynch

551
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,360
recalled how he and Stallone
settled on the Soviet Afghan War

552
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,520
as a storyline.
Stallone had wanted to move away

553
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,600
from jungles after the second
movie, while the conflict in

554
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Afghanistan was in the headlines
at the time.

555
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Again, this made Russia the
villain.

556
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,000
However, Lettich recalled that
Stallone was worried about the

557
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,280
potential political hot potato
of the concept, leading the

558
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,800
writer to work on an alternate
Rambo 3 premise.

559
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,400
The other Rambo 3, which nearly
Co starred Marlon Brando, it

560
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,640
took the soldier to Siberia.
Instead, the plot involved an

561
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,080
American pilot being behind
enemy lines shot down, with

562
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,840
Rambo sent in to rescue him from
Russian forces and help him

563
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,400
cross the Bering Strait.
The Co writer admits the plot

564
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520
was largely inspired by Louis
Lemoore's Last of the Breed,

565
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,320
which involved the Native
American pilot who has to use

566
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,480
his hunting and survival skills
to escape from the Soviets in

567
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Siberia.
This book had the makings of not

568
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440
only a great action adventure
movie, but a calls to mind the

569
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,040
original First Blood as well.
Not only would the snowy setting

570
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,200
have been a unique location of a
Rambo film, but the premise

571
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,640
itself would have also been more
intimate and character based

572
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,560
than what we got in Rambo 3.
So what do you think about that

573
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,720
alternate version?
I'm still hung up on Marlon

574
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Brando as a Co star, man.
I'm just taking this dude.

575
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,560
It's like, yeah, I mean, he's
like a James Bond type, you

576
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,480
know?
Like he's just so suave with

577
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,680
everything.
It's like I could just John.

578
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,000
That's all I could think, that's
all I could think of a while ago

579
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,960
when he said Marlon Brando,
honestly.

580
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,520
Well, I think about that.
I think about Superman, you

581
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,240
know, Krypton, you know, but but
yeah, I think I think I yeah, I

582
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,440
think I read another article
talking about Marlon Brando in

583
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,240
like the general what the part
that went to Kurtwood Smith and

584
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,680
the other draft.
It was kind of the same

585
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,720
character where like he was
going to be the military guy

586
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,920
that was, you know, that was in
contact with Rambo about the

587
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,200
person behind enemy lines.
So.

588
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920
But I think I read the brand.
He was.

589
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
He was going to make him an
offer he couldn't refuse.

590
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Exactly.
Yeah, Well, Brandon, Brandon,

591
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,360
I'm sorry.
Brando made them an offer that

592
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,800
they chose to refuse because he
had too many notes on the script

593
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,680
of how he wanted things to go.
And they're like, Nah, this

594
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,560
isn't going to work.
So I think I think him and

595
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Stallone probably would have
butt heads on how they thought

596
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,760
the film was going to go.
That was not going to be a good

597
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,960
a good combo.
Yeah.

598
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,640
Yeah.
But I do kind of like the idea

599
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760
of it being in Siberia.
I would have liked to have seen

600
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,080
a Rambo in like a winter
setting.

601
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,840
I think that would have been a
nice change of pace it.

602
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Definitely could have worked.
I mean he did it in Rocky 5, why

603
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,000
not go?
Yeah, it was the IT was the pre

604
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,240
cliffhanger, you know, where
he's, you know, rock climbing in

605
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,720
the snow in a T-shirt and not
freezing to death or catching

606
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,320
frostbite.
I love cliffhanger.

607
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,240
It's one of my favorites.
Anyway, moving on.

608
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,440
All right, so some trivia.
The character Mossad, as JB

609
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,520
mentioned, is a reference to
Ahmad Shah Mossad, a real life

610
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,840
leader of the Afghan resistance
against the Russian occupation,

611
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,960
minister of defense of
Afghanistan after the Russian

612
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,760
occupation ended, and later
again a leader of the

613
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,080
resistance, this time against
the Taliban regime.

614
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,600
So he was based on a real life
resistance, Afghan resistance

615
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,880
fighter.
Kind of Speaking of that, one of

616
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,800
the biggest controversy
surrounding the movie was the

617
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,040
idea of the character working
with the Mujahideen to repel

618
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Soviet forces in Afghanistan.
This took place during the

619
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,200
Soviet Afghan War, which raged
for 10 years before finally

620
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,280
seeing an end just one year
after Rambo 3 came out.

621
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,600
Following the end of the war,
the Mujahedin descended into an

622
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,400
end and can't read that Enter
intern a scene warfare.

623
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960
I don't know what that means.
I shouldn't use big words I

624
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640
don't understand in my notes
anyway.

625
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Words are hard.
Words are hard.

626
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Anyway the ensuing power
struggles gave all the edit this

627
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,560
out gave rise to what our
generation knows as the Taliban,

628
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,720
a complete different group.
Anyway, it was bad that the

629
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,880
basically the conflict of that
Rambo or let Stallone wanted to

630
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,840
reference the movie was by the
time the movie came out was

631
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,480
already starting to like Russia
was starting to pull their

632
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120
forces out of Afghanistan.
So what he thought was going to

633
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,040
be like a hot topic in the world
was kind of like the war's not

634
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,400
even going on over there
anymore.

635
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,040
So that's one of the reasons why
they felt like the movie didn't

636
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,120
do as well, because it didn't
seem as current as it was when

637
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
they were actually filming it.
But Russia hates him.

638
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,560
He's always picking on them,
right?

639
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,960
You know, I mean, it's always
Russia.

640
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,560
The Russia.
Yeah, well, you know, they were

641
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,640
our enemy then.
Kind of still are, but that's

642
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,520
but I'm sure that's for a
different they.

643
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Still don't like him probably
though.

644
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Yeah, wait till we wait till we
talk about Red Dawn.

645
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,080
When we get to Red Dawn, we'll
really talk about.

646
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,080
Man, yeah.
Hold on, I got to take some.

647
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,640
More Russia.
Russia.

648
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,760
The Cold War did give us some
great movies though.

649
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,160
I'll tell.
You all right?

650
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Any other scenes or anything we
want to talk about?

651
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:09,960
I'm kind of that's kind of all
the trivia I got.

652
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,800
I'll have a few more I'll put in
the show notes, but that was

653
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,080
about it.
There wasn't a lot

654
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,760
unfortunately, you know,
unfortunately, you know, this

655
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,880
one was not as big of a movie,
so there's not as much, you

656
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,639
know, trivia behind the scenes
stuff out there for this one

657
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,560
like the previous ones.
It was just pretty much action

658
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,920
from beginning to end.
What's that?

659
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,199
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, I said.

660
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,280
It was just pretty much action
from beginning to end.

661
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Really, I mean, it's it's a
straight up action movie.

662
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,719
I mean, and I will say like I
was going to go back to like one

663
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,400
of my favorite scenes.
I do like the scene of Rambo at

664
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,800
the beginning in the the
fighting with the sticks like

665
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,600
that, you know, the stick
fighting.

666
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,719
And I think I really like the
director filmed that himself,

667
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,360
like he used a handheld camera.
He filmed that whole sequence

668
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,080
himself.
So that was all him.

669
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,360
So which is?
So that go ahead.

670
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Yes, which is one of the most
kind of like thrilling scenes

671
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,320
like that combat scene is like
one of the best action sequences

672
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,560
in the movie, I would say.
Yeah, and I, and I'm going to be

673
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,400
honest, when I was watching that
it it, it kind of gave me an

674
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,920
answer to the old age-old
question, who would win in a

675
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,440
fight, Rocky or Rambo?
Because this dude is like

676
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120
fighting with sticks, which he's
not used to fighting.

677
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,080
He's fighting in this guy's game
and he's like getting the crap

678
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,320
kicked out of him.
Right.

679
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,200
OK, well, let's put some boxing
gloves on him and right out of

680
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,760
his element.
No, I think Rocky could take him

681
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,760
because he's out of his element.
Yeah, yeah.

682
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,240
So anyway.
But that's neither here nor

683
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,840
there.
I can see that though.

684
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,680
I did, yeah.
Like now, hand to hand.

685
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,600
It's it's Rambo all day.
Tim, your next little thing you

686
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,800
could have would be a What If
series, and that's your first

687
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,760
What If episode right there.
What if it was Rocky in that

688
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,800
fight instead of Rambo and you
can put the whole thing on that?

689
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,280
Yeah, I don't know if Rocky
would have been able to handle

690
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,560
it.
I think he would have gone down

691
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,920
pretty quick.
So like I said, out of his

692
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,280
element.
It depends.

693
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,800
Does he have Paulie in his
corner?

694
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,960
Yeah, there's no rules though.
Like Rocky wasn't really a

695
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,760
Street Fighter, you know, he
was.

696
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,800
He was a boxer.
So there's rules and things that

697
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,920
he would follow.
So I don't know.

698
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,480
Yeah, good question though.
He was a brawler though.

699
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Yeah, that was that was.
What they said throughout the

700
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,520
But he was a brawling type
fighter so like true he could

701
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,920
throw down.
Yeah, I'm about to rewatch the

702
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,680
Rocky series, so I'm a little,
yeah, I'm a little out of can't

703
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,920
wait.
Yep, it's coming.

704
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,920
It's coming.
I did want to mention the one

705
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,560
line, because you were talking
about funny lines earlier, was

706
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,320
when, what's his name?
Musa said to him.

707
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,800
Like when he first met him.
He says you look like you

708
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,800
haven't seen much war.
OK.

709
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,240
All right.
I beg to differ.

710
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,800
Right, Right.
I've seen 2 movies already.

711
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,440
And in one of the movies, we
didn't see him in a war, we just

712
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,960
saw some flashbacks.
We just saw like the aftermath.

713
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,680
So I think the.
War has seen too much of him.

714
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,760
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah, exactly.

715
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,840
Exactly.
All.

716
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,360
Right, Well, let's hop in the
box office.

717
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,720
So Rambo 3 debuted in American
theaters on Wednesday, May 25th,

718
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,680
1988, just ahead of the Memorial
Day weekend.

719
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,760
It had some tough competition
with other new releases.

720
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,480
Willow and Crocodile Dundee 2.
They took the number one and two

721
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,560
spot, respectively, leading
Rambo 3 at the number 3.

722
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,080
It's a Rainbow 3 debuted at #3
Overall, the film grossed $53.7

723
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,080
million, the United States and
Canada $135.3 million overseas,

724
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,120
giving Rambo 3A box office total
of 189,000,000.

725
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,160
The film was considered to have
underperformed in comparison to

726
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,960
the previous film in the series,
which grossed nearly three times

727
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,080
as much domestically.
So it made money, but it wasn't

728
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,120
a blockbuster like the last one,
which is understandable.

729
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,600
Wasn't as good.
All right.

730
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,560
It's kind of funny with that
because they always say that the

731
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,720
sequel never does better than
the original, right?

732
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,280
But the sequel to First Blood
Rainbow, First Blood Part 2 made

733
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,880
a lot of money.
So they figured, hey, we just

734
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,080
made this with this, let's go
with #3 and see what we can do.

735
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,400
And then they took big, like 2
steps back.

736
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,880
Not quite the same.
Yeah, yeah.

737
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,880
I mean it.
It kind of it's it falls in that

738
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,160
thing of like the original was
good.

739
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Did it need a sequel?
No, but because it make because

740
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,560
they knew it can make money,
they did it.

741
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,080
And so I don't think I can't
really say that Ram that Rambo

742
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640
first blood Part 2 and we talked
about this on our previous

743
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,640
episodes about the movies.
I don't think it's better than

744
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,680
first blood, but it's more fun.
Like it's it's a more enjoyable

745
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,480
watch but First Blood is by far
the better movie and as far as.

746
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,880
Like it's definitely the better
movie.

747
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,080
Part 2 just has more action,
which makes it more.

748
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,720
Fun to watch.
It took a different, it took a

749
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,440
different turn, it took a
different tone.

750
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,800
So but yeah, but then three kind
of wanted to like do the same

751
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,600
thing but bigger.
And I think like at the time it

752
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,000
had the most kills.
Like it broke the record for the

753
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,160
most on screen kills in a movie.
So which I think which I think

754
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,120
Rambo First Blood Part 2 had
held the title until this one

755
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,320
came out so.
What did Ford do?

756
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Did Ford beat the rest of Gosh?
I mean Ford was like super

757
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,760
violent.
Ford probably had the most gory

758
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,800
kills at the time for Rambo.
He definitely got more into like

759
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,400
the CGI kills because the like
those and that one and the

760
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,000
expend Expendable movies, which
I like the first two expendable

761
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,480
movies.
Like those are like seriously

762
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,240
CGI kills, but I mean.
I like I like the third

763
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,520
Expendable movie because Mel
Gibson is one of the best

764
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,880
villains.
I've ever seen like he's.

765
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
So Dang good.
The third one is still good.

766
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,000
It's still it's not as good as
the first two.

767
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,520
The first one is still the best,
but the 4th 1 was terrible.

768
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,600
Was just hard to watch.
I just you can't get over how

769
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,440
good Mel Gibson was as a villain
though.

770
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,120
Like and.
This is so ridiculous.

771
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,680
Yeah, and then you got Wesley
Snipes coming in in the third

772
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,520
one too, adding his com comedy
quips.

773
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,880
So yeah, now you may want to go
back and watch the Expendable

774
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,240
movies.
OK, moving on.

775
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,520
Manly movies go check out.
All right, it's time to take a

776
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,720
look at how well this 80s flick
holds up today.

777
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,520
The all new Rewatch ability
Nostalgia meter is our way of

778
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,120
measuring how enjoyable a movie
is for repeat viewings along

779
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,760
with the waves and nostalgia
brings.

780
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,040
Here's how it works.
It's a one to 10 scale.

781
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,080
Any number between 1:00 and
10:00 will do, but here are a

782
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,120
few parameters to help you
decide.

783
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,720
At the bottom of the meter is a
number one, basically says I saw

784
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,400
it once and I don't ever want to
see it again.

785
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Right in the middle is the #5 a
good rewatch every couple of

786
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,200
years, and the highly coveted
top of the meter at a 10 is

787
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,720
highly rewatchable and full of
nostalgia.

788
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,120
JB, we'll start with you.
Where does Rambo 3 rank for you

789
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,480
on your rewatch ability
nostalgia meter?

790
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,680
I'm going to fall just like it's
like with Karate Kid Part 3,

791
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,680
like it's would put it like a
four or five.

792
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,520
But because the 1st 2 are so
rewatchable and I'm such a

793
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,320
completionist and there's five
of them.

794
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,160
So it's like I can't watch four
and five without watching 3.

795
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,520
So it's like the first two are
so Dang good.

796
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,200
And so I'm just like, I mean,
I'm probably, I'm going to watch

797
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,040
it every time that I watch 1:00
and 2:00, I'm going to watch the

798
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,440
whole thing.
So I'd probably say about a

799
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,520
maybe a 6, probably it's up
there a little bit higher.

800
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,040
Yeah, I can.
I can dig that.

801
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,360
What about you, Chris?
I'm a sucker for a good 80s

802
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,520
action flick with just blowing
things up and shooting guns

803
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:14,120
non-stop and little 1 liners and
so anything Stallone and

804
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,200
Schwarzenegger I guess is what
it comes down to.

805
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,280
So that being said, being such a
sucker for these things, I'm

806
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,760
going to throw an 8 on it
because I'll always watch it.

807
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,560
I will always watch it.
I won't pass it up.

808
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,680
You know, there may be 3 or 4
good movies on TV that I want to

809
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,600
watch, and if that's one of
them, I'll always refer.

810
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,960
You know, I'll go to it first.
Gotcha.

811
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:36,640
Yep.
All right.

812
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,680
Good deal.
Yeah, I'm kind of with JB on

813
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,320
this one.
We talked about this on Karate

814
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,360
Kid.
If it was by itself a stand

815
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,680
alone movie, it's like a three
for me.

816
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,240
Like, there's not much that
makes me really want to go back

817
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,920
and watch it over and over
again.

818
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,120
And I don't have a lot of
nostalgia for work because like

819
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,240
I said, I don't really remember
singing in the theater.

820
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,760
I think I saw it on video, but I
didn't watch it a whole lot as a

821
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,320
kid.
But because it's part of a

822
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,440
franchise, if I'm going to watch
one and two, and if I want to

823
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,040
watch four and five, then I'm
going to have to watch 3 with

824
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,240
it.
So as as part of the franchise,

825
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,640
I'm going to give it a little
bit higher than JB and I'm going

826
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,320
to do 6.5.
I can't quite give it a 7, but I

827
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,560
will give it a 6.5.
So that's where it lands for me.

828
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,840
All right, well, let us know
where you think Rambo 3 should

829
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,560
rank on the Rewatchable
Nostalgia Meter.

830
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,680
You can send us an e-mail at
info@eightiesflickflashback.com

831
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,440
or you can let us know on social
media.

832
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,280
You can leave a comment right
here on YouTube if you're

833
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,280
watching the podcast here.
Well, Chris, JB, thank you guys

834
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,560
so much for being a part of this
episode.

835
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,400
I think we've given Rambo 3 it's
due, but let's see JB, no new

836
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,800
episodes.
Manly movies.

837
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,600
We talked about it last time.
So when we go back to go back

838
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,600
and listen to some previous
episodes, he's still got some

839
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,320
good ones out there if you
haven't listened to them yet.

840
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,840
So Chris, what you got coming up
on Retro Life for You podcast?

841
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,920
Coming up, well current episode
this week is actually the one

842
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,880
you were on with me moving
violations.

843
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,040
That was a lot of fun.
That was very fun.

844
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,120
Next week we've got
Transformers, the movie that my

845
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,720
friend Marty was on with me.
And then after that, which might

846
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,600
be about the time this airs, I
don't know when you're going to

847
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,760
put this up, but we have Tom
Cook.

848
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,400
He was a cartoon director,
animator and things from the

849
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,600
80s.
So he was the one who did all of

850
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Masters of the Universe.
You know, he man, she wrote the

851
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,960
movies that they did.
He was a part of like the clash

852
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,680
of the No not clash is one of
the challenge of the Super

853
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,240
Friends and Thunder the
Barbarian, Brave Star, Black

854
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,120
Star Filmation cartoons a lot,
yes.

855
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,560
Amanda Barbera too.
So he was all around.

856
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,680
Look him up.
Tom Cook.

857
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,040
He's a pretty good guy.
Did a lot of stuff with the

858
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,880
cartoons that we grew up on
watching.

859
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,080
So that was a very fun episode
to do.

860
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,040
He explained everything in
detail, how things were done

861
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,680
back then and his opinion on how
it compares to what you know.

862
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,960
Cartooning is done today with
all the digital stuff and

863
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,920
everything, so it was fun.
Very cool, very cool.

864
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,760
Well, thanks everybody for
listening.

865
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,160
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866
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,480
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867
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,200
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868
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
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869
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,320
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870
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871
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872
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,520
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In ancient days, the Afghan king

873
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,080
was asked to send 500 warriors
into battle.

874
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,320
He said only 5, his greatest 5,
and they won.

875
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,560
He said it's better to send 5
lions than 500 sheep.