#138 - "The Karate Kid Part III" (1989) with JB Huffman

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Daniel Larusso is no longer a
disciplined karate student, but

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a pawn in a game of revenge by a
maniacal millionaire.

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On this episode of The 80s Flick
Flashback, I'm joined by guest

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Co host JB Huffman to discuss
the 80s flick sequel that Crane

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kicked the franchise into
oblivion with its cartoonish

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villains and lack of Miyagido
heart.

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We'll break down Daniel
Larusso's baffling decision to

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forget every lesson he's learned
and try to make sense of an

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elaborate revenge scheme
centered on terrorizing a

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teenager.
Stay tuned as we continue our

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Summer of Sequels 2 series with
our nostalgic views and rad

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review of The Karate Kid Part 3
from 1989 on this episode of The

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80s Flick Flashback Podcast.
Well, welcome to the show

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everybody.
I'm your host Tim Williams.

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I am thrilled to have back
returning Co host who's back in

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the Dojo for this episode.
He's a man who understands that

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to analyze a film, you can't
just watch it.

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You have to paint the fence,
sand the floor and prune the

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bonsai tree to understand what's
beneath the surface.

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Please welcome back the all
Valley champion of podcasting,

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JB Huffman for Manly Movies
podcast.

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How you doing JB?
I'm doing great man.

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Ready to ready to talk about one
of my favorite.

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I wouldn't say it's my favorite
movies if it's definitely not

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one of my favorite franchises
for sure.

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Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Love the franchise, not a lover

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of this movie necessarily.
We're not not one of the better

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entries of the franchise.
Not the worst, but definitely

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not, not one of the best.
So of course you can go back to

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think season 1 or season 2 of
the show.

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And we covered Karate Kid one
and two.

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I think we did like back-to-back
episodes, and so go back and

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listen to those.
But we're here in the summer of

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sequels.
We're tackling the Part 3 of

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movie franchises that we covered
already on the podcast.

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So let's jump right in.
JB, when did you see The Karate

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Kid Part 3 for the very first
time, man.

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This is a franchise that I grew
up watching.

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It's right up there with with
the Rocky series and the Yeah,

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Back to the Future franchise.
I just remembered I can't

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remember not watching this
movie.

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And yeah, it's must have been a
really, really little kid.

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I mean because it came out in
what, 80 this?

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One came out, this came out in
89, the first one was out in 84,

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and I think Part 2 was 86 and
then this one was 89.

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So yeah.
Yeah, so I would have been 4

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when it came out, but I remember
watching it when I was really

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little and yeah, not really
fully grasping all the concepts

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until I was older.
Of course, yeah, I was

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definitely older.
I mean, I, I remember seeing

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Karate Kid one.
I think I saw it in the theater.

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I know I saw the second one in
the theater.

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I'm not sure if I saw the first
one in the theater necessarily,

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but this one I know I did not
see in the theater.

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This is one that I'm sure I
caught on VHS like when it came

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out, because it came out in the
summer of 89 when all the other

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big blockbusters came out and it
did not last in the theater very

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long at all.
So it wasn't at the top of my

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list.
And so I want to say I don't

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even think I rewatched this one
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Like I've seen the 1st 2 so many
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by heart at this point.
This one not as much.

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So that kind of tells you where
it stands with me on phone on

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rewatch ability.
But how long has it been since

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you watched it before rewatching
it for the podcast?

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Start to finish was probably
2021.

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OK AI got COVID and I was I was
off work for a week.

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Right, right.
Course, I was just, I watched

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all The Karate Kid movies and,
you know, and then probably 10

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or 15 other movies that week.
Right, right.

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Yes, I remember watching it and
listening to your podcasts on

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the 1st 2 like that.
Really, of course, I'd kind of,

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I'd grown up on them, but the
rewatch really like and I and I,

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I did go back and watch The Next
Karate Kid, which we're just not

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going to talk about that one.
No, no, Thankfully that one came

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out in the 90s, so I don't have
to, I don't have to talk about.

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That you don't have to talk
about that.

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You wouldn't have to anyway,
even if it wasn't 80s but.

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Right, right, right, right.
I choose not to.

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Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, that was the last time

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I think I watched it start to
finish.

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Since then, anytime I'm
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on, I'll probably flip it on.
Don't matter which one it is,

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1-2 or three, right?
I'll turn them on and watch

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them, and then I'll.
Of course, I watched it again

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just yesterday.
So the times, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, it's been a while
for me.

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I want to say that when I
finally got into Cobra Kai,

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which is around the time that we
did the episodes on Karate Kid

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one and two, I think I went back
and watched all The Karate Kid

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movies around that time, so I'm
sure I watched it then.

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I don't.
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Honestly, I don't know if I've
ever seen in the Next Karate

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Kid.
I don't think I've seen the 4th

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1.
I think I've seen bits and

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pieces, but I've never watched
all of it.

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But this one I still because
it's Miyagi and Daniel.

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Daniel, like I feel like it.
If you're going to watch the

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first two, you should watch this
one as well.

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Like it's just, you know, it
doesn't necessarily close out

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the story, but just because it's
the last one of the two of them

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together, it had been because
that kind of special, special

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part of it.
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But yeah, but it's been a while
even before they had probably

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been.
I mean, it might have been when

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I watched it on video that first
time, maybe caught it on cable a

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few times after that just
because it was on.

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I watched it but yeah that's was
it isn't one that I've rewatched

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a lot.
Like I said, I've seen the 1st 2

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so many times but.
I mean, it still has its

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moments.
It's not like Rocky.

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It's not like Rocky 5 or
anything, you know?

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Gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the
Rocky we'd all like to forget.

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Yeah.
So, but yeah, I'm about to, I'm

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about to jump into the Rocky
franchise that's coming up soon.

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So, so get ready.
Yeah, it's hard.

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That's hard.
You know, it's hard to jump into

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a franchise in the middle in the
80s because the 1st 2 came out

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in the 70s.
I was going to start.

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With you'll start from the
beginning.

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No, I'm going to start with
Rocky three.

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I mean, we'll talk about the
first two, but yeah, so anyway,

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all right, come that's coming
later.

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You'll you'll hear more about
that later.

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But anyway.
So let's jump into story origin

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and pre production.
Not a lot to cover here because

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once again, it's a sequel, so
you kind of know what they're

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trying to do.
But Robert Mark Kamen, who wrote

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the first two Karate Kid movies,
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the third installment and he
wanted to be a prequel with the

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2 main leads still involved,
which is kind of weird.

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This is a very strange concept.
The original plot would have

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involved Daniel and Mr. Miyagi
traveling to 16th century China

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in a dream and meeting Miyagi's
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Came and envisioned the sequel
to resemble a Hong Kong style

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Wexia film and would also have a
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But the producers balked at the
idea and came in reluctantly.

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Was reluctant on rehashing the
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He only returned after the
studio agreed to pay him a lot

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more money, which is usually
what the case is.

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But yeah, so he was the other
studio was like no, we want more

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of what we had in the first one,
which is pretty much what this

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is.
It's very much, you know, kind

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of a not a total rehash, but
it's a lot of similarities

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between the 1st between the
first one.

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But yeah, they brought him back
with, you know, enough money,

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you'll, you'll write anything.
Yeah.

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But yeah, that that's pretty
much all I got for pre

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production.
He just had to write this, this

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story.
How do you feel about it going?

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Like, so first one was, you
know, there in California and of

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course, all the meeting together
and then Part 2 of them going to

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Okinawa, which I love.
That's, you know, there's parts

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of me that love the second one a
little bit more than the first

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one just because of the setting
and like the ancestry and the

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history.
It just seemed to like it was,

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it was really, really good.
But this one, to go back to LA

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and kind of back to Cobra Kai,
back to crease, you know, How

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did you feel about them going
back to the setting of the first

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one?
Well, first of all, I like the

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the Vietnam flashbacks of of
crease and silver just kind of

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getting a little bit more depth
on that character.

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I like the way they did that.
I think, wow, there may not have

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been many flashbacks in them.
I might be thinking of Cobra Kai

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actually, but.
You are.

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There's a lot of that in one.
Of the season, but they did talk

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about.
Being, yeah, yeah.

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But yeah, but it was, yeah.
It's established in this movie

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that that's where they know each
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So to get a little bit more
background on him was cool.

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The going back to Lai feel like
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they kind of went way off going
to, which was a great movie

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about the way like The Rock.
I mean, Karate Kid twos is like

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phenomenal film.
But yeah, to kind of re

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establish it and get more
grounded, I feel like it's

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something that they should have
done to get to.

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And yeah, it's kind of rehashing
the same story a little bit, but

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I mean, when when something
works, why would you mess with

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it?
So I felt like they did a good

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job with it.
Terry Silver, which we can talk

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about that more later.
Yeah, we're yeah.

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The baddest of the baddies,
Yeah, so.

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Yeah, it's it's interesting.
I think didn't.

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Here's my thing.
I didn't mind them going back to

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LA.
I just, I don't think I like

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that 1-2 and three all kind of
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1 going into Part 2.
And then Part 3 is like right

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after they get back from
Okinawa.

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So all of this essentially
happens like within let's say,

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you know, 16 months of each
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So it's kind of weird like in 89
having to think going back to 85

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essentially, you know, it's just
kind of I I wish they I wish

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they would have fast forwarded a
little bit more where it wasn't

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him coming right back to.
But you needed that for him to

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be, you know, regain, you know,
to to defend his title as

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though, you know, the the
champion.

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So that I mean, that was
essential to the movie, but it

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it was that was a little tough
to even watching it again.

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I think I forgot like, oh, this
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literally right after Part 2.
Yeah, so.

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It's like like one year because
he defended his title so.

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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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So, all right, well, let's jump
into casting, as I mentioned on

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our Superman 3 episode, not
going to cover a lot of the

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cast.
I mean, we'll talk about him,

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but I don't have to go into,
like, their filmography because

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we've covered them on the
previous episode.

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So we know Ralph Macchio, of
course, played Daniel Larusso as

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he did in the first two, nor
Norika.

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Pat Morita just calling Pat
Morita as Mr. Miyagi.

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Rest in peace.
One of the greatest to do it.

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Martin Cove, kind of a cameo.
You know, he's there at the

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beginning and there at the end
as John Crease.

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I will have this do have this
little blurb.

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Crease was initially intended to
have a larger role in the film,

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but due to his filming schedule
conflicts with hard time on

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planet Earth.
Yes, that's the name of a real

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movie that he did.
And I and the character of Terry

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Silver was written into the
script.

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But I will honestly say that was
smart.

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If you're going to go back to
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Like I mean, you know, you
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besides just the beginning of
Part 2, which is literally right

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after the end of Part Part 1.
But having Terry Silver come in

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I think was smart to have a new
protagonist.

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That's even though I think one
article said it's like he's

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crease to the 10th power.
Like he's just even even more

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outrageous, which becomes
comical at some point.

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Like it's almost he does over.
He's really over the top, which

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really annoyed me watching at
this time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, he he plays the part

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well, but some of it's just like
it's so over there.

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I liked him better when he was
playing when he was playing like

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the like trying to get winning
Daniel to his side and being the

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Mr. Nice Guy.
And you kind of seen that two

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faced thing when you first meet
him.

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He's just so over the top, like,
you know, the way he's, you

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know, I don't care it takes to
get it done.

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And you know, I'll just bribe
this guy and it's like, OK, this

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is this is not real life.
I mean, this is not, you know,

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it was just he was just like
overplaying that character.

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Anyway, that's my, my, my take
on that.

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But let's talk about the man who
played Terry Silver, Thomas Ian

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Griffith.
Of course, he's best known for

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this role.
He later reprised it in the 4th

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through 6th and final season of
Cobra Kai, as well as voicing

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the character in the video game
Cobra Kai 2 Dojos Rising in

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2022.
He was also the head vampire and

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John Carpenter's movie Vampires.
He was also in the sword and

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sorcery picture Call the
Conqueror 1997, and he had a

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recurring role on the WBS teen
drama series One Tree Hill.

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He also did some soap opera work
as well.

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And although he plays a Vietnam
veteran who is roughly 20 years

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older than Daniel Daniel Thomas
Ian Griffith is actually a few

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months younger than Ralph
Macchio.

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Ralph Macchio was 27 when he
filmed this movie, and that

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means that they're roughly the
same age.

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Wow, that kind of obliterates my
opinion from watching.

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When I when I rewatched the
first one, I felt like Ralph

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Macchio looked like a total kid
and I was like.

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Yeah, how much?
Older is Elizabeth Shue than

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him, but apparently she's
probably younger actually.

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Yeah, she was, yeah.
I think he was like, yeah, so he

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was 20.
He's either 21 or 22.

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So she wasn't that much younger.
I think she was like 1819.

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Like they both played younger.
But yeah, I mean, that was the

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whole thing about that.
I mean, that's Ralph Macchio.

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Like how he got into The
Outsiders was because he looked

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like he was 14 and he was, you
know, 17 or 18 or whatever.

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So it's.
Like Michael J Fox, man, he

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looks like he's 12, you know?
Oh yeah, yeah, babyface.

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But yeah.
So how did you, what did you

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think about Terry Silver?
Her The trail was it?

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Was it too over the top for you
like it was for me?

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It was definitely over the top
and what's funny is like of

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course now watching Cobra Kai,
which I haven't watched the last

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part of that yet.
Yeah, I haven't.

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I haven't.
Been holding off on it because I

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don't want, I don't want to be
done, you know?

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Like I'm just, it's just sad.
I do.

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The same thing, like when I know
it's the final season, like I

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don't really want to watch it
because I don't want to know it

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ends, Yeah.
But it's funny that you

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mentioned the One Tree Hill,
because I've seen One Tree Hill

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three times.
And this last time that I

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watched it is when it finally
clicked with me who he was.

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I was like, Oh my gosh, he's
such a good guy in this show.

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But anyway, yeah, as far as
Terry Silver goes, man, like, so

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ridiculously over the top.
And when I said the baddest of

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the baddies, I mean, he's bad in
more than one way.

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Yes, he's definitely a bad bad
guy, right?

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But he's also a really bad actor
in this movie.

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Like he's just wow, just
mustache twirling like.

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Yes, yeah.
Yeah, it's.

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It's just weird but.
Overly maniacal, yeah.

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But I mean it fits with a lot of
the themes of the the 80s movies

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too though.
So like, I mean, yeah.

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That's actually the only movie
I've seen with him other than I

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have seen Triple X but he had a
very very small role in.

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That Oh yeah.
And I've watched Vampires, but I

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don't think I remember.
I don't think I put I might have

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like he looks familiar.
I might have looked on IMDb and

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realized it was the same guy,
but it didn't stick with me

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going back to think about it.
But yeah, all right, let's talk

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about Robin Lively as Jessica
Andrews.

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She's known for her roles in the
89 movies Teen Witch that came

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out the same year as this movie,
as well as TV shows like Doogie

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Howser, MD, Twin Peaks, Savannah
and Saving Grace.

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Of course, we covered her in her
small role in The Best of Times

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Jamie and I did as well as
Wildcats that were both made in

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1985.
After she was cast as Jessica

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Andrews, producers were forced
to modify her role of

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protagonist Daniel Russo's new
love interest because she was

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only 16 at the time of filming
and still a minor, while Ralph

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Macchio was 27, although his
character was supposed to be 17.

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This this situation cause
romantic scenes between Jessica

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and Daniel be rewritten.
So the pair only developed a

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close friendship and also read a
different blurb that Ralph

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Macchio's wife was like, no, no
more love interest for you.

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She can be your friend this
time.

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Tired of saying you kissed other
women on film.

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But I mean, I thought she was a
good addition to the to the

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role.
I mean, to the to the part, to

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the movie, to the franchise.
I can talk.

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But not not kissing other women
on film.

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That's, we'll call that the Kirk
Cameron effect.

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There you go.
But no, he, yeah, I thought she

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did a really good job.
I did find it a little bit weird

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that it wasn't a love interest,
that it was just like a

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friendship.
And she had a boyfriend who I

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guess lived in Canada.
You wouldn't know him.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, she, I mean, she

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basically asks him out when they
first meet and then all of a

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sudden she find out she has a
boyfriend.

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Like, yeah, it, it feels weird
because like I said at the

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beginning, you know exactly
where it's going.

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OK, here, this is the new love
interest.

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And then she's packing up and
leaving like halfway through the

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movie.
And I'm like, this feels really

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weird to me.
That whole scene of like after

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they're at the club and they're
dancing and then she gets mad

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and then next thing you know,
she's packing and leaving.

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I was like, OK, this seems it
was just, it was just weird.

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It was just a weird plot line to
go.

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It's it's a weird thing too, in
that like he has a different

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love interest in every movie.
Like, why couldn't him and him

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and Ally stay together?
You know, like.

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Yeah, exactly like I would have,
I would have preferred for her

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to come back in the picture and
the third one, you know, yes,

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rekindle something from the from
the past because like obviously

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you're the problem, dude.
Like the end of, you know, at

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the end of the first one, he's
like, you know, he's mad at Alli

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because I think she met somebody
at college and then at the

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beginning of this was like, Oh
no, she's not coming because she

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got a dance studio job somewhere
else.

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And so it's like, dude, OK,
you're the problem.

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You.
Suck dude, just just admit it.

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But well, you know, like I said
in the in the opening, and I

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think I felt this way watching
it too, is like and and we'll

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get to it.
Like when we talk about Ralph

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Macchio was not happy with this
movie at all because there was

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no he felt like his character
hadn't grown any.

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And it's true.
Like he's making the same.

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He's still acting like a which
of course he has a kid, but

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still, it's like you've already
kind of gone through this twice

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already, you know, you know,
kind of learn from mistakes, but

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you know, just a hot headedness
and like him going off the hand.

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I'm like, yeah, this this
shouldn't like you should be

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passive.
Have a different challenge to

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overcome by the third movie
instead of just rehashing the

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same the same things over again.
It just that got a little

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irritating about halfway
through.

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It's like, come on, man, We've
we've seen you do this too many

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times already.
Like, you know, just wise up.

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Yeah, you also have to consider
he's 19, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I'm just like, yeah, I mean,
I get it.

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And he's also trying to
understand something that is

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being taught by 60 something
year old man.

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Yeah.
And so the the wisdom that he

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has gained in his sixty years
cannot be replicated into a 19

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year old kid like true in one
year.

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So I think I'll give him a
little bit of grace for it, but

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yeah.
Alright, let's talk about Sean

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Kanan as Mike Barnes and Sean
Kanan is no relation to the

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writer whose last name is Kanan.
But as a teenager, Kanan studied

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Shotokan karate under sensei
William Stoner.

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By the time he landed the role,
Kanan had a good foundation of

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Japanese karate, which would be
essential for portraying the

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central villain opposite hero
Daniel Larusso.

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He trained at a school run by
karate master Fumio Dumura and

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was stunt coordinator and Tang
so do master Pat E Johnson.

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So, yeah, so he was, I think
they sent out of like the 2000

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different people that
auditioned.

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He was like the best in martial
arts and he was the only in all

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of the movies.
He was the only only one that

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actually had karate experience
before being cast.

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So he kind of knew what he was
doing.

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So and actually, I think I
didn't put it, I don't know put

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it there, but like even Thomas
Ian who played Silver had

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training as well.
Like he was, he was already, I

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don't think he was a black
building city was a Greenbelt,

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but he had, you know, he
actually had karate background

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as well.
But for Sean Kanan,

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unfortunately, during filming,
he suffered internal bleeding

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after injuring his omentum, A
membrane that connects the

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stomach with other organs,
supplying them with blood along

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with physically protecting them.
He collapsed to the Las Vegas H4

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days after shooting the scene
and underwent life saving

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surgery.
Yeah, crazy.

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So, But yeah, he's a he's also a
period as a bad boy with a heart

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of gold on the CBS soap opera
The Bold and the Beautiful.

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He portrayed the same character
on the sister show The Young and

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the Restless.
He also played AJ Quartermaine

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on General Hospital.
His other most recent movie

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credits include 2/20/21 films
with Bruce Willis Survived The

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Game and The Fortress.
But he's still still in the

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business.
They need to pop up on for like,

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what, two or three episodes of
Cobra Kai, I think.

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And like Season 3, I think he
popped up was pretty good seeing

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him, you know, still kicking
butt.

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Was it like a freeze like a
furniture salesman or something?

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Yeah, he was.
Yeah, it's been a while to watch

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those episodes, but yeah.
And ironic that in this movie he

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was destroying furniture.
Yeah.

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Tables and stuff in that that
that store, whatever.

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Yeah, the bonsai.
Bonsai Tree Store, yeah.

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Mr. Miyagi's Little Trees.
It's catchy, rolls off the

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tongue every every says it.
Yeah.

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So what are your thoughts on
Mike Barnes?

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Good.
I mean, I think he's another

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good antagonist.
He's kind of, you know, once

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again, Johnny Lawrence to the to
the 10th power.

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Yeah, and he has a little bit of
an excuse to be over the top

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because he's not an actor by
trade.

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He's Yeah, he's a martial
artist.

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But I mean, it has like, what,
20 something credits to his name

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other than the TV stuff that
he's done.

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Yeah, he's, I mean, he did a
good job.

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And I think you could really
tell that he has some training

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under his belt, his karate belt,
so to say.

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But yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I
like him.

442
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,160
And if we're going to go, if
we're going to go big on the

443
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,720
baddies with Terry Silver, who
might as well go big on the

444
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,480
baddies on the young guy too,
so.

445
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,600
Right, right.
The bad boy of karate.

446
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,480
Yeah, right.
So and then we've got Jonathan

447
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,720
Avildsen, a snake.
He's actually the son of the

448
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,640
director John G Avidsen.
He also appeared in Rocky 5 as

449
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,560
well as the comedy Gone Fishing
with Joe Pesci and Danny Glover.

450
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,480
So actually when the character
was created, Mike Barnes was

451
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,880
originally written as a skilled
but amateur karate student who

452
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,840
came from a family that trained
all of their children in karate,

453
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:29,040
as evidenced by an early screen
test with a then cast Jonathan

454
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,680
Avalon.
So he was actually cast as Mike

455
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,680
Barnes originally.
OK, but Mike Barnes was

456
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,440
originally conceived as more of
an obsessed fan of Daniel who

457
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,600
respected his skill at karate
and wanted to beat Daniel at the

458
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,560
All Valley Tournament for
personal reasons as his two

459
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,640
brothers had in the past.
Both had held the title for five

460
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,760
years.
This back story would also put

461
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760
his origin from Los Angeles
area, not from elsewhere in the

462
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,960
country.
However, instead of simply

463
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,040
winning the tournament, Barnes
wanted to win quote UN quote the

464
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,200
right way by traditionally
beating the previous champion.

465
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,960
This initial portrayal of Barnes
was more of a chosen type honor

466
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,640
focused character who initially
seemed who seemed somewhat

467
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,200
unpleasant.
In this original version, Mike

468
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,800
was less outright aggressive and
more affably evil, trying to

469
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,400
passively a passive aggressively
manipulate Daniel into competing

470
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,840
against him by first
complimenting him and then

471
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,400
beginning to take a darker tone
when Daniel refused.

472
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,240
This back story also mentioned
that Mike had been trained to

473
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,800
fight in the tournament since he
was 14.

474
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,720
However, the film makers ended
up rewriting the script and it

475
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,880
was decided that Jonathan
Avildsen would not workout for

476
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,640
the newer Mike Barnes the film
makers wanted because they

477
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,960
wanted a taller, more muscular,
physical, imposing and

478
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,320
intimidating nationwide karate
champion.

479
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,120
The newer Mike Barnes was
written to be more aggressive,

480
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:48,920
less friendly, and without any
motive other than personal

481
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,720
wealth.
It's likely they made this

482
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,360
change to raise the stakes to
Daniel fighting an unhinged and

483
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,440
greedy professional karate
fighter, as well as to cement

484
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,840
the wealth and power that Terry
Silver had access to and the

485
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,720
links he was willing to go to
humiliate Daniel and Mr. Miyagi.

486
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,760
Since the film makers had been
previously impressed by Sean

487
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,280
Kanan's intimidating audition,
Kanan made sure to intimidate

488
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,720
Ralph Macho to be remembered by
the film makers, who had already

489
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,000
seen thousands of other
hopefuls.

490
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,520
So they called Shane Sean Kanan
back and told him that he got

491
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,080
the role.
However, Jonathan did such a

492
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,480
great job on his early Mark
Bond.

493
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,960
On his early Mike Barnes screen
test, the film makers wrote the

494
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,120
character of Snake for him, a
character who was much closer to

495
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,600
Abbotson's original portrayal of
Mike Barnes.

496
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,240
OK, that was a lot.
So, yeah.

497
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,920
So that was interesting that he
is that, you know, the guy that

498
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,720
played Snake was the original
Barnes, but a different type of

499
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,440
character, more passive
aggressive.

500
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,080
And, you know, I kind of like
that other back story better.

501
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,080
But I understand why to have the
connection with Terry Silver

502
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,200
makes more sense for him to be
just somebody that Terry Silver

503
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,200
pays to come in from out of
town, doesn't know who Daniel

504
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,880
is, doesn't care.
Just really, they're just a, you

505
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,200
know, be the bad boy of karate
and just, you know, make some

506
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,680
money.
Yeah, that that original story

507
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,760
is is a more interesting story,
but this one fits with the plot

508
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,600
more.
Yeah.

509
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,040
Yeah.
I didn't realize.

510
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,920
I didn't, I didn't go and look
at the I I was going to be

511
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,440
surprised on all this because I
didn't go and look at any of the

512
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,800
ACT.
But I didn't realize when you

513
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,120
said Jonathan, the Bills
Appleton, I was like, oh, that

514
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,800
must be that must be John's son.
But yeah, it really is.

515
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,720
OK.
Yeah.

516
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,600
Cool, cool all.
Right.

517
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Well, that's that's all I have
on the cast.

518
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,800
Anybody else that that we need
to mention?

519
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,680
I mean, there weren't really
those were kind of the main

520
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,320
characters.
Even Snake kind of becomes a a

521
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,920
side care.
You know, he's kind of a he's

522
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,240
there at the beginning, but he
kind of fades out towards the

523
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,720
end.
We're just Silver and and and by

524
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,200
Barnes and I didn't realize that
Snake was actually Terry

525
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,040
Silver's son.
Like in the movie, he's supposed

526
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840
to be Terry Silver's son.
I didn't get that connection at

527
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,280
all, but I saw that in some of
the notes when I was reading.

528
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,560
I was like, Oh, I didn't I
didn't put that together in the

529
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,000
movie at all.
That that was supposed to be his

530
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,920
son.
Yeah, I didn't put that.

531
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,400
Yeah, I didn't realize that
either.

532
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,760
All right, let's talk about
iconic or favorite scenes.

533
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,160
So if someone says to you Karate
Kid Part 3, what's the first

534
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,080
scene that you think of?
The rock climbing, yeah, going

535
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,080
down to get the.
The bonsai tree.

536
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,040
The bonsai tree, like, that
whole scene was just so

537
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:22,800
memorable to me.
And I also have to say the one

538
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,760
where he asked Mr. Miyagi to
teach him how to sweep, and he

539
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,680
goes, he gets a broom.
Yeah.

540
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,520
So look, you go back and forth
like this.

541
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,800
Right, right.
I'll always remember that from

542
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,640
when I was a kid.
So yeah, those two are probably

543
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,000
the most memorable to me.
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say

544
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,120
the the going down to get the
bonsai tree is probably the one

545
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,080
that sticks out the most.
That's the one that stands out

546
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,760
the most from this one for this
one.

547
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,800
And then in the scene where
Daniel has to break all the wood

548
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,320
pieces and the like the human
frame, whatever with Mike Barnes

549
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,120
picture on the front, you know,
it goes back to when creased.

550
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,880
I was like, I want you to make
his knuckles bleed When you

551
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,360
remember getting breaking the
glass and of course you see

552
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,800
Daniel hitting that that wood,
you know, plank or whatever with

553
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,480
Barnes's face on and his
knuckles starting to bleed.

554
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,840
And it's like, OK, that you
know, I will say is it was a

555
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,120
silver had a great plan, like
the plan worked to AT which is

556
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,080
almost irritating.
Like there should have been some

557
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,000
kind of something had to have
gone wrong at some point.

558
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,120
But I mean, everything played
exactly the way he he thought it

559
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,880
would.
So, you know, just I guess he's

560
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,280
a smart businessman.
He knows how to how to connive

561
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,480
and control.
But yeah, he he played well.

562
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,120
The one that I didn't get,
though, was why did he show up

563
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,320
at the club to pay the kid to
like pick a fight with Daniel

564
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,320
for him to punch him like it,
you know, I know they needed

565
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,880
that for like Daniel didn't have
the realization that's not him.

566
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,080
That's not who he who he is, but
it just it, you know, that that

567
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,240
was a little that one, that part
was a little weird to me.

568
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,040
Yeah, I mean, that may be the
whole where things went wrong

569
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,800
though for him though is because
I think he was trying to unleash

570
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,400
some some dog in Daniel, you
know, like, yeah, yeah,

571
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,080
something inside of him that
that would make him want to do

572
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,520
this more and kind of backfired
a little bit.

573
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:20,000
So yeah, I mean, it was it was
weird, but I I can kind of

574
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,720
understand what what Silver was
trying to do in that

575
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,680
character's.
Yeah.

576
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,680
And like I said, I mean, I know
why the scene is there because

577
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560
that's the that's the point of
Daniel coming to realize like

578
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,560
that's, you know, I'm, you know,
and it's, it's funny because

579
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,160
that scene to me is like what
Cobra Kai became.

580
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,400
It was like you.
How many of the characters of

581
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Cobra Kai like they, they get,
they get involved with Johnny

582
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,480
and when he was all Cobra Kai
had no mercy.

583
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,280
And they're like, you know, this
isn't who I am.

584
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,360
I'm not this just, you know,
strike first, no mercy person.

585
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,640
I'm, you know, I want to use
karate for defense, not offense,

586
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,760
whatever.
So I thought we when that scene

587
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,000
played out, I was kind of like,
OK, I can see where, you know,

588
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,920
Cobra Kai really kind of how
that that show kind of kept

589
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,760
going.
But I want to say like, I think

590
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:08,880
I read some of that but in the
notes.

591
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,120
But I think the creators of
Cobra Kai said that Terry Silver

592
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,840
was their favorite villain and
they did.

593
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,240
They have a lot of, you know,
they have a lot of love for Part

594
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,000
3, so I can kind of see where
they pulled some of that

595
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,920
inspiration for the show in this
movie for sure.

596
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,360
Yeah, you can see that.
Sorry.

597
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,960
I'll let it.
I'll let it Theon out.

598
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,080
You're good.
Yeah, that's fine.

599
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:36,000
So you have any favorite scenes?
I really like the fight between

600
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,040
Miyagi and Crease and Silver.
That was that was that's pretty

601
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,800
cool.
And just to kind of see how much

602
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:50,720
of AA bad dude Miyagi is, like
dude never even got touched the

603
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,480
entire time, but it was just
like, so yeah, that that was

604
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,040
pretty cool.
Of course, you can't discount

605
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:06,760
the the last part of the the big
fight with with Mike When when

606
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,560
he kind of channels the the kata
that that Terry Silver said.

607
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,960
Oh, that's good for breaking a
sweat, but it's not good for

608
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,840
karate.
Well, he used it to beat your

609
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,760
dude, man.
Right, exactly.

610
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,440
You can't, can't, can't throw
that one away, but it's always

611
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000
going to be the the two on one
fight, man, because that's

612
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880
that's pretty awesome.
Yeah, even when Miyagi comes in,

613
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,840
when the when Barnes and Snake
and the other guy, I don't

614
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,680
remember his name, are like
trash in the bonsai tree store,

615
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400
like he comes to the double
doors, like, you know, the light

616
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,960
behind him and like, here he
comes, he's coming to like, take

617
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,840
care of business.
So yeah.

618
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Yeah, I like that.
I like that scene too.

619
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,480
So yeah, it doesn't.
This one unfortunately doesn't

620
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,680
have those like memorable scenes
like the first two do because

621
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,360
they just feel like they're more
like I want to go to the

622
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,440
tournament, but it still feels
like the first tournament.

623
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,560
You know, it's a lot shorter
because you just see that, you

624
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920
know, he doesn't have to fight
to get to the final round.

625
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,480
He just has to be there to
defend whoever makes it to the

626
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,520
final round.
But but I did like the train.

627
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,400
You know, the training sequences
are still good.

628
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,360
The music is still my favorite.
Like, I love the theme music

629
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,920
that they play during those
training montage moments.

630
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640
But yeah, it it it's good.
I don't.

631
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Like I said, I don't really have
too many to mention this.

632
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,080
This isn't one that we can kind
of go on and on and on about

633
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,960
scenes, I don't think, unless
you've got more you want to talk

634
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,800
about.
But there weren't a lot for me

635
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,960
unfortunately.
Training montage man.

636
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,000
Like a good training montage was
like iconic in the 80s.

637
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,600
Yeah, of course.
Late 70s and 80s so.

638
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Yeah, yeah.
This was this definitely one of

639
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,440
the one of the good ones there
for sure.

640
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,280
Any favorite lines or dialogue
that you remember stood out to

641
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,160
you?
Just the sweeping line.

642
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,480
Yeah, that's good.
Can you teach me to sweep?

643
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Sure, I'll teach you to sweep.
I.

644
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,000
Just said there's one thing and
I won't ask for anything else.

645
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720
Can you teach me to sweep?
You just go back and forth to

646
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,480
select this.
I'm like.

647
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Yeah, I'm like, you hear
yourself, right.

648
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,200
You just said sweep.
You didn't say sweep.

649
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Yeah.
And there's like he's teaching

650
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,760
you the sweep move.
Don't you know that you got

651
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,400
injured in the first one by when
he told Johnny to sweep the leg

652
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,760
like this is you're you're
learning the move that almost

653
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,400
broke your knee.
You know, in the first movie, I

654
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,200
did like the whatever stuff that
he used when he when he caught

655
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,160
Daniel coming in with limp and
he's like, what's wrong with

656
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,480
your foot?
You know what foot that foot is

657
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,800
like, Oh, no, that happened.
And he like puts the bowl with

658
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,160
the hot water and whatever,
whatever the spices or whatever

659
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,960
he put in the bowl and he's
like, what's tonight Better you

660
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,800
not know.
And then you know that you got

661
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,600
to have some of that little,
that ancient or you know, the

662
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,280
ancient magic to, to quickly
heal him as he needed.

663
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Alright, let's jump into some
trivia.

664
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,200
There's not a lot in here
either.

665
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,760
I didn't.
There just wasn't a whole lot on

666
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,840
this movie, unfortunately.
But I will mention this.

667
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,040
According to star Robin Lively,
Ralph Macchio was extremely

668
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,040
difficult to work with on the
set of the movie.

669
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,000
Macchio would often show up to
work late and complaining about

670
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,960
various aspects of the movie.
He would later admit to being

671
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,280
unhappy with the script for the
movie and as a result, that

672
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,400
making the movie was an
unpleasant experience.

673
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,679
He also claimed to dislike the
final cut of the film, likely

674
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,920
causing him to leave the
franchise until nearly two

675
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,199
decades later with the streaming
series Cobra Kai.

676
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,880
According to director John G
Evelson in a 2000 interview, he

677
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,120
himself was no fan of the movie.
He considered, quote UN quote,

678
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,239
horrible imitation of Part 1,
which will baffle those who

679
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,800
hadn't seen the first two films
and insult those who have.

680
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,639
UN quote.
He agreed with star Ralph

681
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,159
Macchio that making the picture
was a miserable experience,

682
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,760
largely because the screenplay
was hastily written and sloppily

683
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,679
rewritten, which is a risky
procedure at best.

684
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,760
And for us, it was deadly.
I don't know about deadly, but

685
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,360
yeah, it wasn't.
It wasn't the best, wasn't the

686
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,520
best.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm

687
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,880
there's still some redeeming
qualities too.

688
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,120
Yeah, it's just.
I mean, yeah, I say one thing I

689
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,280
can say about it, it for a movie
trilogy, it does hold good

690
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,520
consistencies because you have
the same writer and same

691
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,760
director for all three films.
So I could see this, you know,

692
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,280
them coming back to part three
with a totally different writer,

693
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080
totally different director that
didn't understand the nuances of

694
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,800
the character as much, even
though, you know, we know it's

695
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,280
it lacked a lot of what the
first two had, but at least it

696
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,400
still fits in the, you know,
still fits with the other two

697
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,440
movies.
It doesn't seem like a huge

698
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,080
departure from what you came to
expect from the 1st 2:00.

699
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Yeah, and you don't see a lot of
that either as far as the same

700
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,160
having the same director for I
mean, what what the Indiana

701
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Jones movies is the only ones I
could think of that really has

702
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,480
the same directors throughout
the entire future.

703
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,360
Yeah, that's true.
Back to the Future.

704
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,200
Yeah.
So, but yeah, it's there's a lot

705
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,240
to be said about that.
They all kind of fit in there to

706
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:06,640
the the the director's vision,
so.

707
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,960
This is something I did not know
until doing the research here,

708
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,360
but Paula Abdul took on a role
as dance choreographer on The

709
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,000
Karate Kid Part 3, although
there were no specific dance

710
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,920
scenes in the movie besides
Ralph Macchio doing twirls at

711
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
the dance club.
I mean all he did was like move

712
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,440
side to side and then do it, do
it, do it.

713
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,680
I wish I was laughing.
He just turned, does a big turn

714
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,280
around or whatever.
But this role as dance

715
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,240
choreographer was not new for
Paula Abdul.

716
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,160
She served in the same role in
such films as Private School,

717
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,760
Can't Buy Me, Love, The Running
Man, Action Jackson, Big, Coming

718
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,280
to America and more.
A year after The Karate Kid Part

719
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,560
3, she choreographed the scent
Oscar awards ceremony.

720
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,040
I know we talked about her being
the choreography and coming to

721
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,040
America way back when.
But yeah, I think that's, you

722
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,720
know, how she get the job.
She can do it.

723
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,480
So as a little dancing, I
thought maybe she choreographed

724
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,000
some of the fight scenes, like
add a little twirl here, add a

725
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,080
little, you know, move your hips
this way.

726
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Was that he's telling Daniel
like move your hips, move your

727
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,720
hips.
That's where the power is.

728
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:09,920
The power's in your hips.
Well, let's see.

729
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,320
Do I have anything else in here?
I last one just about we'll

730
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,800
mention the Snakes character
again.

731
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Jonathan Evanson's character
Snake was announced to have died

732
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,360
in the sixth season of Cobra
Kai.

733
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,440
This was done because he retired
from acting in 2002 and was not

734
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,960
interested in reprising the role
when asked, so he just chose not

735
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,040
to come back.
Cobra Kai came came out just a

736
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,360
few years after his dad died.
Yeah, that's true.

737
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Yeah, His dad died in 2017.
Yeah, that's true.

738
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,440
A problem I mean, I don't think
I would want to either like.

739
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,280
Yeah, yeah, I can.
That's totally understandable,

740
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,240
for sure.
Sure.

741
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,880
All right, let's jump in the box
office.

742
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Karate Kid Part 3 debuted in
American theaters on June 30th,

743
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,520
1989, and failed to take the top
spot at the weekend box office.

744
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,040
Batman and Honey, I Shrunk the
Kids maintain the number one and

745
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,760
#2 spot, respectively, for the
second week in a row.

746
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,200
The only other two new releases
that week?

747
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,760
The Jerry Lee Lewis biopic Great
Balls of Fire, which debuted at

748
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,400
#7, and the critically acclaimed
Spike Lee drama Do the Right

749
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,680
Thing debuted at #8.
So like I said, summer of 89 was

750
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:28,560
tough to be, you know, trying to
match the success of Batman,

751
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Lethal Weapon 2, Ghostbusters 2,
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

752
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,280
I mean, there were just so many
huge movies that summer.

753
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,360
So I can I can see why this one
failed to?

754
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,560
Is it the top spot?
Didn't back to the feature 2

755
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,000
come out in 89 as well?
I think it was 80.

756
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,840
Was it 89 or 88?
Because the third one came out

757
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,320
in 90.
Right.

758
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,320
So I was thinking, I thought
they did them.

759
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,480
It might have been, Yeah, I
think it was 89 because Who

760
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,520
Framed Roger Rabbit was 88 and
then, yeah, back to Feature 3

761
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,440
was 89.
You're right.

762
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,600
You're absolutely right.
Good call back.

763
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,680
All right, it's time to take a
look at how well this 80s movie

764
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,200
holds up today and the all new
rewatch ability.

765
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,160
Nostalgia meter is our way of
measuring how enjoyable movie is

766
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,840
for repute, for repeat viewings
along with the waves and

767
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,200
nostalgia brings.
Here's how it works.

768
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,760
It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and

769
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,080
10:00 will do, but here are a
few parameters to help you

770
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,680
decide.
At the bottom of the meter, a #1

771
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,120
means I saw it once and that was
enough.

772
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Right in the middle is A5, which
is considered a good rewatch

773
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,240
every couple of years.
And at the top, the highly

774
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,200
coveted #10 is highly
rewatchable and full of

775
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,480
nostalgia.
So JB Huffman of Manly Movies,

776
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,080
where does Karate Kid Part 3
land for you on the rewatch

777
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,680
ability nostalgia meter?
A lot lower than the first two

778
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,360
the 1st 2 are easily 10s yeah
this one, this one would

779
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,720
probably fall somewhere in the
middle around maybe a 5 or 6.

780
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,680
But The thing is like I'm I'm
such a completionist.

781
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,120
The 1st 2 are so rewatchable
that I'm, I'm probably going to

782
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,760
watch the third one as well.
Yeah yeah, it's.

783
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,280
I mean if if it was a stand
alone movie I wouldn't rewatch

784
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,600
it very much.
Since I like the first 2 so

785
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,960
much, I'm going to rewatch them
every few years because every

786
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,080
time I rewatch the other one so.
Yeah, I agree with that.

787
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,680
Yes, I was going to say A6 is
kind of where it was landing for

788
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,040
me for a lot of the same
reasons.

789
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,760
But like you, if it was a stand
alone movie, probably not.

790
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,840
It'd probably be much like a two
or three, but because, like you

791
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,480
said, because how much I enjoy
one and two and knowing it is

792
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,480
like a real continuation of the
story.

793
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,440
Like it literally picks up from
where two leaves often pretty

794
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,720
much.
Or, you know, happens right

795
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,560
after two it you kind of have to
watch it just to like finish the

796
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,720
story.
So Oh yeah, yeah, I agree with

797
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,160
that.
I'd give it a six because it's

798
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,360
it's worth pretty is worth
revisiting every so often, but

799
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,440
definitely not one I'm going to
want to watch every year like I

800
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,360
would the first or the second
one for sure.

801
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,680
All right, well, let us know
where you think The Karate Kid

802
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,840
Part 3 should rank on your
rewatchability nostalgia meter.

803
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,160
You can send us an e-mail or
tell us on social media,

804
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,080
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805
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,840
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podcast on YouTube with us as

806
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,480
well.
All right, JBI think we've

807
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,320
covered this one as well as we
can.

808
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Thanks so much for joining the
show.

809
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,040
I'd hate to keep beating a dead
horse, but it's manly movies

810
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,480
ever coming back Or is a
resurrection possible?

811
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,040
It's it's possible.
It's just like everything keeps

812
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,320
happening.
Like I, I told you before we

813
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,680
started this that I started a
new job and now it's like I

814
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,280
don't have any free time at all.
So yeah.

815
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,440
So it's, it's going to come at
some point once things kind of

816
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,080
settle in a little bit more.
I want to do it.

817
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,000
It's just I've got so much going
on.

818
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,640
So Oh yeah, it'll get there
eventually.

819
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,640
Yeah, well, I appreciate you
taking the time to be on this

820
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,760
one.
Always a joy to have you on the

821
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,600
show.
Thanks for always being

822
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,560
available to talk about these
fun movies from the 80s.

823
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,000
Absolutely, man.
And this is like quite a kid,

824
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
man.
Like this franchise is something

825
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000
when you said that were that you
were doing, because I'll say I

826
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,840
was really upset that I didn't
get to do Back to the Future any

827
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,080
of those.
And, and The Karate Kid, like

828
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,920
the first two that you did and I
had forgotten that you didn't do

829
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,080
3.
But one, if you said that you're

830
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,240
going to do karate, dude, 3 is
like, yes, that's me, me, me,

831
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,080
me, me.
Yeah, now you.

832
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,520
Did jump on that one pretty
quick so.

833
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,040
Now I'm excited that you're
doing Rocky too, because that's

834
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,880
another franchise that I grew up
on, so.

835
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,600
Yeah, yeah, I've been wanting to
get, it's like, I want to get to

836
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,760
4 so bad because it's like
that's literally like one of my

837
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,080
favorites.
Not the best of the franchise,

838
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,080
but a favorite.
But I like, I knew I had to

839
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,360
start at 3.
And so just to kind of, you

840
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,560
know, I think I think I might
have mentioned it on one of the

841
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,200
other podcasts.
If not, it'll be your first time

842
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,520
mentioning it.
But when I was putting my

843
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,760
calendar together originally, I
got my weeks mixed up and so I

844
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,960
only planned 6 for the summer.
But there's actually seven of

845
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,840
seven release dates for June,
July, and August.

846
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,880
So my bonus sequel is going to
be Rocky 3 because it's the

847
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,640
first one in the series and it's
a part three.

848
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,800
I was like, well, that's
perfect.

849
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,080
Now I can do Rocky 3 and then
that way I can continue on with

850
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,360
I guess 4, Five I don't think
came out in the 80s, right.

851
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Didn't 5I.
Think it came out in 90.

852
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,160
Yeah.
So we'll get 2 and we'll get 3

853
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,160
and four.
And of course we'll talk about,

854
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,000
you know where, if you like,
we'll talk about 1:00 and 2:00

855
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,920
when we get into three.
But so so if you want to jump on

856
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,880
Rocky three, I can go ahead and
put you down.

857
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,240
Just let me know.
Think about it, I kind of would

858
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,000
like to do 4 but.
But you can do both.

859
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,760
Just because you do 1, I mean
you can't do the other.

860
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,920
One that's true, yeah.
I don't want to be a hog, but

861
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,280
you know, this is like my
absolute favorite franchise, so

862
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,200
so I'm probably going to want to
do both.

863
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,720
Yeah, yeah.
Well, let's do it.

864
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,560
All right.
Well, thanks everybody for

865
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,400
listening.
Yeah.

866
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,160
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867
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,040
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875
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,000
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876
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,160
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877
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,720
suffered enough, then I start
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