#137 - "Superman III" (1983) with Laramy Wells

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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?

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No, it's Richard Pryor with a
supercomputer.

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On this episode of the 80s flick
Flashback, I'm joined by guest

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Co host Laramie Wells to discuss
the 80s flick sequel that all

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but torpedoed the Superman
franchise with its focus on

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silly sight gags instead of Man
of Steel mythos.

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Will we defend the choice to
replace arch nemesis Lex Luthor

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with the billionaire?
Ross Webster would be able to

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make sense of a synthetic
kryptonite and that epic

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junkyard brawl.
Stay tuned as we kick off our

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brand new Summer of Sequels 2
series with our nostalgic views

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and rad review of Superman 3
from 1983 on this episode of the

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80s Flick Flashback Podcast.
Today I'm so excited to have

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this returning Co host back on
the show.

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He's a man who can break down a
flick better than, well, better

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than Gus's computer broke down
global coffee bean supplies and

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he's also the only person I know
whose Fortress of Solitude is a

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Superman memorabilia laden
basement.

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It's Laramie Wells from moving
panels podcast.

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How you doing Laramie?
I am good.

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My wife has proclaimed that this
movie has the single greatest

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quote in movie history.
I don't want to go to jail.

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They have robbers and rapist and
rapist who rape robbers.

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Yeah, I had that down on some of
my favorite lines too.

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So, which I'm sure was
completely ad libbed by Richard

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Pryor, I have no doubt.
To be Yeah, had to be.

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Had no doubt.
Writers of this movie could not

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have come up with something that
good.

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No, not even close.
So yeah, we'll get into favorite

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lines and we'll get into lots of
scenes that I'm sure we'll want

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to discuss why this is in the
movie and why they decide to do

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things, and we'll get into that
as well.

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Why is this in the movie?
Is the question for the entire

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movie.
Why is this movie?

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That is the that is the real
question.

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And let everybody know I'm a
huge Superman fan.

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But this movie, Wow.
Yeah, yeah.

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Let's get ready.
Let's get.

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Let's get into it.
All right, Laramie, you know the

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drill.
When did you see When did you

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see Superman 3 for the first
time on television?

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On television, yes.
I can't pinpoint an exact

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daytime year or anything.
And again, I know I had to have

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seen it on television when I was
a kid, probably on Channel 36

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here in Atlanta.
WATL, because that was a lot of

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what they did was just show
movies because they weren't

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really an official network.
They later became Fox, but but

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until then, it was just, you
know, that was the place to

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watch movies, most of the
movies.

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You asked me about that.
That's the answer as I saw it on

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WATL.
Yeah, in the 90s, it was the 80s

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channel, right?
As far as 80s, absolutely.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

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I tried to remember if I saw
this in the theater.

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I don't really have a distinct
memory of seeing this in the

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theater, but I know I've seen it
a lot.

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So it had to been one that we
either rented and I watched a

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bunch of times, checked out at
the library or it was just on

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cable all the time.
Like I remember Superman 2 being

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on HBO like on repeat when they
came out.

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And this is probably kind of the
same thing.

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It probably ran on HBO a lot as
well.

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So I think it's just one of
those movies like in the summer,

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it was probably on like every
day and we would just, you know,

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come in from the heat, tired of
playing baseball or, you know,

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kickball or whatever.
We were playing outside and

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wanted to have enjoy the air
conditioning for a couple hours

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and it was on so we'd watch it.
But how long has it been since

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you rewatched it before
rewatching it for the podcast?

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A year or two.
I, I know that you and I covered

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it for my podcast, I think two
years ago.

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Yeah.
I'm not 100% sure if I've

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watched it since then, but yeah.
But definitely two years ago

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when we covered it for my
podcast, because yeah, this

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isn't, isn't one that I'm, I'm
jumping the gun to go see, but

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uh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, if you, if you didn't

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know, but you know, if you're a
fan of the show, you know,

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Laramie has covered all of them
at this point because we just

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did the Superman 4 episode that
is already out on his on his

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podcast.
So but we did Superman 3 a

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couple years ago.
I was also his first guest for

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his very first episode, which
was 1978 Superman.

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Then we did a crossover Superman
2 episode for both of our shows

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where one of us talked about the
Lester cut.

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I think you did.
And then I talked about the

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Donner cut.
So we kind of put that into two

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episodes.
So definitely go check those

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out.
So but yeah, so so I have not

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covered the original Superman
because it came out in 78, but

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we redid Superman again for your
100th episode.

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So lots of Superman content, of
course, on moving panels, which

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with as you can tell by by
Laramie's background, he's a

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huge fan of Superman.
So that's why he's covered them

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all.
And I believe the plan next is

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to go to Superman Returns, which
was the next Superman live

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action movie that we'll.
Cover Yeah, Stay in Chronic

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Superman Returns, even though
there's a nice big gap.

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But that wouldn't be next.
Although we did talk about maybe

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going back a little bit and
doing the TV movie musical.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that that
aired.

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Yeah.
And you know what?

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Yeah.
And, you know, every time we do

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one of these Superman movies, we
always talk about Smallville.

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And I'm just going to have to
breakdown and go back and watch

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it because I watched the first
couple of seasons, but I never

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watched the full run of the
show.

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And whenever we talk about it,
it brings up some nostalgia

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about it.
So I'm going to have to at some

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point, maybe this summer will,
you know, a lot of stuff is, you

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know, reruns and reality shows.
I can binge that over the

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summer.
So I'd be a fun, I know.

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And I'm.
You're going to currently.

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Rewatching.
Yeah, because you're going to

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cover down something here pretty
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Yeah, and well, my daughter has
finally decided to sit and watch

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it.
And so she and I have been

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watching, watching it episode by
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She has finished Season 1 and we
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reaction to Season 1 and now
we're in Season 2 and we should

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be wrapping that one up pretty
soon too.

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Yeah, but I mean, she's got 10.
Seasons to get through yeah,

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that's the thing with like shows
that have that longevity it's

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like OK I've got to commit that
if I start it I'm going to

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finish it so yeah all right well
let's talk about story origin

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and pre production so we've kind
of covered some of this in the

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other episodes as well, but just
for a recap for everyone.

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Richard Donner confirmed that he
had been interested in writing

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at least two more Superman
films, which he intended Tom

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Mike Mankiewicz to direct and
use Brainiac as the villain of

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the third film.
Donner but a part of the series

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during the production of
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Well documented.
Go back to Superman 2 episode to

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hear that.
In December of 1980, producer

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Ilya Salkind wrote a treatment
for this film that included

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Brainiac.
Mr. Mix, you say you gotta say

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it, I can't say it.
Mix.

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Shit, Pitlik.
Yeah, We'll just call it Mr.

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Mixy going forward.
There you go.

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So, yeah, so included Brainiac,
Mr. Mixy and Supergirl.

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The treatment was finally
released online in 2007.

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If you dare go read it.
But here's a synopsis Mr. Mixy

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was portrayed in.
The outline varies from his

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comic counterpart as he uses his
abilities to cause chaos.

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Dudley Moore was the first
choice to play the role for

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1980.
That's 100% not bad.

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Yeah.
That that that would that would

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land very well in the treatment.
Brainiac was from Kolu Kalu.

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Kalu Kalu, sure yeah, and had
discovered Supergirl in the same

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way that Superman was found by
the Kent's.

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Brainiac is portrayed as a
surrogate father to Supergirl

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and eventually fell in love with
his quote UN quote daughter

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Cringe who did not reciprocate
his feelings as she had fallen

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in love with Superman, which
still sounds weird.

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Brainiac retaliates by using a
personality machine to corrupt

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and manipulate Superman.
The climax of the film would

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have seen Superman, Supergirl,
Jimmy Olsen, Lana Lang, and

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Brainiac time travel to the
Middle Ages for a final battle

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against Brainiac.
After defeating him and leaving

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Brainiac behind, Superman and
Supergirl would have married at

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the end of Superman 3 or in
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The treatment was rejected as
being too complex and expensive

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to shoot, and also for being
terrible because of the high

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budgets required.
The series of Sal kinds

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considered selling the rights to
the series to Dina De

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Laurentiis, but he passed.
The significance of computers,

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the corruption of Superman and
the splitting of Superman into

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good and evil would be used in
this final version of the film.

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It was originally intended to be
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which I think is a pretty cool
title, but was retitled after

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the producers of Kramer versus
Kramer threatened A lawsuit.

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Why?
I have no idea.

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Yeah, Like, these are two
totally different movies.

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Why would you feel like they're
trying to, you know, steal your

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Thunder for some?
Reason.

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Yeah, I mean, not as stupid as
making Superman and Supergirl

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fall in love.
Yes.

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Did anybody read a comic?
Right.

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Right.
Because they're cousins in the

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comics, right?
Yes.

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Yeah.
Cousins.

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They're their dads or brothers.
They are cousins.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just weird.

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I love.
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Give us Brainiac.
I think Mick would be a great.

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And it's kind of funny that
Dudley Moore was considered

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because there's a lot of
similarity you could probably

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put into Dudley Moore's
character in Santa Claus.

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Yeah, yeah.
Which we've covered.

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Over the podcast, yeah.
And it's also a salt kind, yeah.

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There you go.
Yeah, wanting to duplicate the

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success of Superman by making a
Santa Claus.

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Movie Santa Claus the movie The.
Movie.

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Yeah, man, but man, that would
have been a bad movie.

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Not that this is that much
better, but it definitely.

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Was better than that would have.
Been.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It went in a different

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direction, that's for sure.
All right, well, let's jump into

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casting.
So I'll read this little blurb

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and then we'll kind of get into
some of the cast.

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Like most of the movies for the
our summer sequel series,

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because they're sequels, we're
not going to cover everyone in

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as detail as we would during
regular episodes because we've

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covered them in previous
episodes that you can go back

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and listen to their filmography
and that kind of stuff.

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So.
But both Gene Hagman and Margot

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Kidder are said to have been
angry with the way the Salkinds

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treated Superman director
Richard Donner, with Hackman

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retaliating by refusing to
reprise his role of Lex Luther.

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After Margot Kidder publicly
criticized criticized the

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Salkinds for their treatment of
Donner, their producers

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reportedly punished Kidder by
reducing her role in Superman 3

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to a brief appearance.
Ackman later denied such claims,

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saying that he had been busy
with other movies and that

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making Luther a constant villain
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sequels where a serial killer
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Hagman would eventually reprise
his role as Lex Luther and

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Superman 4, which the Salkinds
had no involvement in, and the

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commentary for the 2006 DVD DVD
release of Superman 3.

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Salkind denied any negative
feelings towards Margot Kidder

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and his production team had
denied the claim that her part

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was cut for retaliation.
Instead, the creative team said

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they decided to pursue a
different direction for love

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interest or Superman, believing
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had been overdone in the first
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With the choice to give a more
prominent role to Lana Lang, the

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role of Lois was reduced for
story reasons.

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Salkind also denied the reports
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him, stating that he was unable
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commitments.
Believe what you want.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's hard to to tell what is

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actually is the truth in all of
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But I do agree with Hackman is
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villain in every movie does get
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I mean, at least in two you
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And that that kind of Lex just
is kind of trying to play apart

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in all of that.
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villain.
And then they do that again in 4

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by having like create nuclear
man's nuclear man's more.

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same way that they end up doing
with Webster is, you know, he

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they could have done a brainiac
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where this one was inspired.
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brainiac thing still maybe had
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But I totally do agree that Lex
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in every movie.
I also have absolutely no

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problem with Lana Lang in this.
I agree.

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Yeah, I know we'll talk about
her in a minute, but I love

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Annette O'Toole.
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Yep.
And so absolutely.

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But yeah, I mean, it it, it does
feel kind of weird that Lois is

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there and then she was like, all
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end.
It does feel a little weird,

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but.
With her heavy tan makeup to

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make her look she's been in
Bermuda for a month or whatever.

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Yeah, if you want to do
something different than Lex,

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why create Ross Webster, which
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Lex Luthor, but they who they
eventually made more, they made

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the Lex Luthor character more
like him late after this.

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mastermind.
You know, you go back to the

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first movie.
I mean, his layer is an

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abandoned, you know, subway
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And so it was really the
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that really gave the idea of
well, what if Lex was more

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powerful, right, right.
As a as a person, Like what if

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he had more more stout and more
a clout, I guess is more of the

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word I'm looking for, right.
You know, so to making him this

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businessman, this, that is what
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things to come out of this movie
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that we are more familiar.
With right, right.

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I mean, when Lex was introduced
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just a mad scientist.
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the things I like about Superman
4 is it merges all of the

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different versions of Lex
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But then, yeah, we get more of
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millionaire, whatever he
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got more of in in the 90s with
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course, the Michael Rosenbaum
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And then I, you know, apparently
now we're oh, and even the I

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almost forgot Jesse Eisenberg
and.

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Well, there's a reason that you
want to forget that one.

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And then that we're about to get
with Nicholas Holt in the new

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Superman movie, right?
I will say, obviously Kevin

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Spacey's has a twist to that,
but he is a continuation of the

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Lex Luthor from Superman 2,
right?

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Right.
So he doesn't quite have the

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business aspect.
He's more just looking for that

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real estate con that Lex came up
with, right?

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Right.
All right, well, let's talk

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about the goat.
The Superman goat.

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That will always be our
Superman, the late, great

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Christopher Reeve.
He had been contracted for seven

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films as Superman.
He engaged a lawyer to

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renegotiate the contract.
Yeah.

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Prior to production, producer
Pierre Spingler described the

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process of securing Reeves
return as contentious, though

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Ilya Salkind recalls that Reeve
approved of the Superman 3

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script and was more than willing
to reprise his role.

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Believe what you want.
They cast another Superman,

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right?
Right.

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And that I don't know if you
have.

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That No, I I don't.
But yeah, let's talk about it.

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They had.
They had already planned to to

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start casting other Superman.
They were already looking at

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other people.
Man, just to think that there

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was there was almost.
And this was for both Superman 3

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and Superman 4.
Like they were so close to

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casting various people.
The worst offense would been

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Tony Danza.
Hey, yo, away.

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Yeah, that was.
No, no, thank you.

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He's no longer a reporter.
He's driving a cab in

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Metropolis.
Yeah, yeah.

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No, thank you.
Yeah, yeah.

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Not not the best.
Yeah, who might be the boss?

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Tony Danza.
Who might be Superman Not?

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Tony Danza.
No offense to Tony Danza, if

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you're listening.
No, I I we love you.

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Yeah, I love Tony Dan.
I love who's the boss, Love

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Taxi.
But.

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Yeah, you're, you're not
Superman, right?

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You're not, You're not Superman.
I can probably, we can probably

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think of some other superhero
players, superhero characters

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you could have played in the
80s, but Superman ain't one of

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them.
I'm.

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Sorry.
Yep.

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So yeah.
And this is also the first time

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Christopher Reeve had top
billing in a Superman movie.

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In the 78 Superman, he was
behind Marlon Brando and Gene

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Hackman.
And then it's Superman 2 in

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1980, he was behind Hackman.
So this was his first time and

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I'm.
Surprised he's not behind

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Richard.
Pryor exactly.

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In this one, because when this
movie starts, you don't know

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it's a Superman.
You don't.

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I have no clue, you know.
Well, yeah, let's.

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Oh, gosh, the opening is
terrible.

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We were not there yet, but yeah,
it's just.

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But I'm not even talking about
the opening credits.

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Yeah, but it but it starts with
yeah, it starts with Gus.

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Like it feels like it's Gus's
movie from the beginning.

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Yes, it feels like you're
watching a clip out of, you

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know, silver bullet or.
Busting one of the other or the

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toy or any of the other Richard
Pryor movies that, yeah, had

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already come out at that point.
No indication it's the Superman

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movie when this movie starts.
No, no, Yeah.

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OK.
All right, moving on.

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So we won't talk about
Christopher Lee, Christopher

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Reeve's filmography.
We've covered it already.

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We also already talked about
Margot Kidder as Lois Lane.

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We talked about Gene Hackman.
We talked about Gene Hackman's.

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Not in this one.
We talked about, that's right,

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Jackie, Jackie Cooper as Perry
White, Martin McClure as Jimmy

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Olsen.
So we'll kind of move.

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Who they who they also get rid
of by having him break?

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His leg.
Break his leg.

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Yeah.
So we'll talk about Richard

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Pryor, even though we've covered
Richard Pryor in Brewster's

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Millions.
So you can go back and listen

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that first filmography, but are
you aware of how he got this

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role?
Like why was Richard Pryor in

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this movie?
Because of Johnny Carson.

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That's right, that's right.
After an appearance on The

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Tonight Show, he told Johnny
Carson how much he enjoyed

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seeing Superman and Superman 2,
and Pryor jokingly stated his

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desire to appear in a future
Superman installment.

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The Sal kinds were eager to cast
him in a prominent role in the

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third film, using the success of
his movies Silver Streak, Stir

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Crazy and The Toy.
His casting would also help them

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attract Richard Lester back to
return and direct because Lester

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was eager to work with Pryor,
who appealed to his comedic

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sensibilities.
And boy, oh boy, did he ramp

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that up.
I call this, you know, they

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don't they didn't give subtitles
to this when we didn't get the

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subtitle until Superman for the
Quest for Peace.

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But if I gave this one a
subtitle, The Superman 3 the

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Comedy, because it leans so
heavy into trying to be so funny

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and like a comedy, it almost at
time becomes a parody of a

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Superman movie.
Yes, absolutely.

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I mean, and I know we'll
probably talk about it more,

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more and more throughout the
episode.

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That's the opening credits
scene.

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Just feel like you're watching,
you know, a Three Stooges tight

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bit or you're watching.
I don't know.

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I know that this is a little
before the time, but you know

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some well, not necessarily
because you got movies like

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Airplane, you know, or even some
of the Mel Brooks stuff like.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that's.

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Or or even going back to movies
like it's a mad, mad, mad, mad

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world.
Like that's what the opening of

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this movie feels like.
Yeah.

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By the way, I want to point out,
I want to correct myself.

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I said silver bullet earlier for
Richard.

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I meant Silver Street.
Phil St.

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Yeah, I was like, yeah, I knew
Silver was right, but I didn't

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think the other part was yeah,
so.

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A Silver Bullet is a totally
different movie.

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It's a Stephen King werewolf
movie.

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All right, well, let's continue
with casting.

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Then.
We've got the lovely Annette

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O'Toole as Lana Lang.
A little bit about her

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filmography.
She is known for playing Lisa

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Bridges in the TV series Nash
Bridges, adult Beverly Marsh in

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the 1990 television miniseries
adaptation of Stephen King's

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epic horror novel It.
She was Kathy in the romantic

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comedy film Crossed My Heart,
and she also was Martha Kent on

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the television series
Smallville.

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Which she also just is amazing.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I, I, it's funny because
even when I saw her on this and

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forgot that she was in it until
I was rewatching it and I was

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like, I feel like she's been in
so much.

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Like to feel like her
filmography is much bigger than

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this and she has like a lot of
small roles, but like, but I

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think because I, because I think
I fell in, I fell in love with

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her.
But I became a fan of her during

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Smallville because I think
that's probably the one thing

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that I watched more of her in.
So, you know, seeing her in this

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was like, oh man, it was so good
to see her, you know, at that at

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that time.
And of course, if you're a fan

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of the Netflix show Virgin
River, she's a main character on

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that show as well.
So what's more current show?

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And she's really good on that,
too.

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Very much not.
You know, she's more the Lois

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Lane character in Virgin River.
She's much more direct and

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speaks her mind than than the
Lana Lane character that's a

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little bit more ditzy.
You know, we'll kind of get into

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that too.
Yeah, she's a little too ditzy,

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but.
But no.

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Yeah, Annette, Annette O'Toole
is just great.

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I love her as Lana Lange.
I wish there was more.

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Yeah, the more development with
that character and their

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relationship.
Yeah.

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I just wish there was a little
bit more.

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But yeah, then she's she's great
as Martha Kent in Smallville.

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Just amazing.
Of course, I probably lock in on

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Beverly Marsh from it.
Well, yeah, it's.

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Where I, I'm not saying my
favorite role of hers, but

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that's probably where I first
introduced.

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Yeah, first was introduced to
her, but then also not to

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mention, or I guess to mention
because I'm about to, but the

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fact that she wrote a lot of the
music for A Mighty Wind, the

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Christopher Guest movie.
Well, I forgot about that.

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That's right.
That's right.

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Along along with her husband
Michael McKean.

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Yeah, they wrote and I think
even got Oscar nominated for for

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a couple of the songs.
So yeah, amazingly talented.

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Yeah, and she has admitted to
being a big fan of comic books

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and was as a child and was
thrilled to be cast as Lana

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Lang, one of her favorite
characters.

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Now, I'll ask you this question
because this is how I felt.

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Do you think she had better
chemistry with Christopher

453
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,800
Reeves than Margot Kids?
Yeah. 100%.

454
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,520
Yeah, this relationship seems so
much more believable.

455
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,480
Even though Superman 1 and 2 is
are better movies than this, the

456
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,320
chemistry between Lana Lang or
between Annette O'Toole and

457
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,960
Christopher Reeve is much more
palpable in this one.

458
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,360
Absolutely, in fact to not to
jump into the next movie, but

459
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,480
they did not know what to do
with the relationship between

460
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:48,400
Lois and Clark that in the 4th
movie they just redo the

461
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,480
storyline from the first movie.
Yeah, yeah, it's bad.

462
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,720
Yeah, no, 100% that Lana and
Clark have more chemistry that

463
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,640
you do.
Kind of like we said, we want

464
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,800
more of it, whereas I had no
problem with Lois leaving at the

465
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,600
beginning of this movie.
Right, right.

466
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,400
All right.
Moving right along, we've got

467
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,400
Annie Ross as Vera Webster.
She was the sister and partner

468
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,320
of Ross in his company and
plans.

469
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:18,120
She was played by I said Annie
Ross, who was a British American

470
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:22,080
singer and actress best known as
a member of the influential jazz

471
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,200
vocal trio Lambert, Hendrix and
Ross.

472
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,840
Her film roles included Mrs.
Hazeltine from Throw, Mama from

473
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,520
the Train 87, Rose Brooks and
Witchery in 1988.

474
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,880
She played Loretta Crestwood and
Pump Up the Volume in 1990.

475
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,160
She also had roles in Robert
Altman's Shortcuts and Blue Sky,

476
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,800
but she also appeared as Granny
Ruth in the horror films Basket

477
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:49,920
Case 29 from 1990 and Basket
Case 3, The Progeny in 1991.

478
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:55,120
Never heard of any of those.
I think I might have seen the

479
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,040
the VHS case for those or the
DVD case for those, but never

480
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,800
seen them.
I will say though she is a

481
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,880
trooper for taking all of the
insults.

482
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,920
Yes yes that that she has given
in this movie cuz they are bad.

483
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just not, I'm not a fan of

484
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000
comedy where it's like
completely demeaning the other

485
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,720
person.
Like, I know that was kind of

486
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,720
like a thing in the 70s and 80s.
Yeah, but there were some people

487
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,800
who could do it well.
Right.

488
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like you think of like Don

489
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,440
Rickles?
Like Don.

490
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,360
Rickles roasting, but yeah,
yeah, yeah.

491
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,400
He was an insult comic, but it
was always you felt like it was

492
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,120
in fun and it was more of in
jest, but.

493
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,760
Right.
Yeah, this was just me.

494
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,360
Yeah, this was and.
And it probably would have been

495
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,720
different if all of it came from
Ross.

496
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,920
But it didn't.
Like the right off the bat we

497
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,800
see the picture of her and Perry
White's talking about how blurry

498
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,840
it looks and they're like.
No, that's just her.

499
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,960
That's her face.
And I'm like, how does a person

500
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,240
look?
Blurry naturally, right?

501
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,880
Right.
Yeah, All right.

502
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,120
So we'll probably, what a
trooper.

503
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,720
We'll, we'll, we'll probably
talk about more of the fact that

504
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,040
this movie is not not nice to
women.

505
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,160
No, it's not.
Not not just this character, all

506
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,560
of them.
So on the other side, you've got

507
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Pamela Stevenson as Lorelai
Ambrosia, who was the yoga

508
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,720
instructor psychic.
Psychic nutritionist.

509
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,520
There you go.
That's a psychic nutritionist.

510
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,320
Yeah, cuz that's a that's a
thing.

511
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,520
Uh huh.
Stevenson appeared in British TV

512
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,600
shows including Space, The 99
New Avengers, The Professionals,

513
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,480
and Tales of the Unexpected
before her breakout role

514
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,920
alongside Rowan Atkinson, Mr.
Bean himself, Mel Smith and

515
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,400
Griff Rise Jones, and the
satirical sketch show Not the

516
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,560
9:00 News.
From 1979 to 82.

517
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,080
She also had a role in Mel
Brooks's comedy History of the

518
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,240
World, Part 1 from 1981.
Of Laramie's Favorites, Richard

519
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280
Lester says that he actually
wanted her for the part based on

520
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280
her performances and not the
9:00 news.

521
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,200
I got to go find out who she is
in History of the World Part 1.

522
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,600
Yeah, I'm sure it's a small, I
mean there's so many different

523
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,880
vignettes in that it's like she
could be in any of them.

524
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,720
So hard to place.
But but yeah.

525
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,320
And I think she was actually,
she was the first non American

526
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,480
to be cast, the first non
American female cast in Saturday

527
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Night Live like in the mid 80s
as well.

528
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Like I think for one season she
was not well.

529
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,080
Received well the Saturday Night
Live in the 80s was.

530
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,760
Not well received, right?
Not, at least not until the end,

531
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,160
yeah.
Late 80s, early 90s, kind of.

532
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Started to get better, but yeah,
yeah.

533
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,520
Yeah, but, you know, I don't
have much say about her

534
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,080
character.
It's very, you know.

535
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,920
No, again, stereotypical.
I mean I I do at least like that

536
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:45,480
they give her where she's
secretly intelligent but but

537
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,440
almost from the complete other
end of the sister.

538
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:53,080
Like just making her just an
object for the most part.

539
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,760
Right, right.
I mean, again, starting right

540
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,360
off with that, that clip inside
the Daily Planet where Jimmy's

541
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,640
photos and the majority of the
board are photos of her.

542
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,240
And then they proceed to have
close-ups, including one that is

543
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,600
just of her cleavage, Right,
Right.

544
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,880
So, yeah, just making her an
object again.

545
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,000
They yeah, cuz you, you got Lois
that Margot Kidder that they

546
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,240
just completely, let's just kick
her out of the movie.

547
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,520
But of course, when they do the
like, the way she leaves is by

548
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,320
holding up this really Skimpy's
bikini.

549
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,840
Right, right.
You know, like you're going to

550
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,800
show that to your boss before
you go on vacation.

551
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Yeah, well, I mean, this Lois
Lane really doesn't care, right?

552
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,160
But then you've got Lana, who's
probably one of the best

553
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,880
portrayed female characters, but
they still give her this

554
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,040
ditziness that just doesn't
doesn't seem to fit.

555
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,200
Then you've got, as we just
talked about, you got Vera who

556
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,160
they just it's just to throw
insults at.

557
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,920
And then you got this character
Ambrosia, who is just again,

558
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,440
like a it's an object.
She's just something to look at,

559
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,720
even though they try, like I
said, to give her this thing

560
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,600
where she's highly intelligent.
But they even have the scene

561
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,640
where she's reading the book,
tries to hide it.

562
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,040
And then she just.
Right.

563
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,320
She knocks.
Yeah, yeah, she knocks.

564
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,360
She leaves on the couch and
knocks the pillow off the book

565
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,200
and it's still out in the open
and no one.

566
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,840
Nobody.
Notices.

567
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,840
That's probably because they're
just looking at her because

568
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,960
she's just an object for for the
the male view and this.

569
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,800
Yeah.
Because, yeah, it's just so bad

570
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800
that the portrayal of women in
this one, you know, I don't know

571
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560
if if we want to say that it's a
thing of the time because you

572
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,920
did just bring up history of the
world.

573
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,920
I mean, Mel Brooks is notorious
for doing it as well, so.

574
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Yeah, I don't know.
I think it was part of the time

575
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400
it does it it's parts.
Doesn't right.

576
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,440
Yeah, yeah.
It didn't age well, as they

577
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400
would say, but you know, it's
very cringey to go back and look

578
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,200
at it.
No, that was very normal back

579
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,840
then.
So all right, let's talk about

580
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Robert Vaughn as Ross Webster.
Vaughn had his breakthrough role

581
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,240
as disabled drunken war veteran
Chester A Gwynn and the Young

582
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,200
Philadelphians, earning him a
19601960 Oscar nomination for

583
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,760
best supporting actor.
He also appeared in scores of

584
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,200
films, notably in The
Magnificent 7 in 1960, Bullet a

585
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Bridge of Remiten and he was the
voice of Proteus 4IN Demon Seed

586
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,920
in 1977.
He's also very well known for

587
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,960
being in the TV show The Man
from Uncle, which I think is

588
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,960
where most people probably know
him from, and that's probably

589
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,520
what I recognized him from.
He once stated an interview that

590
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,440
after the film was released, he
decided to no longer show up at

591
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,760
his son Cassidy School because
the students were horrified that

592
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,040
he quote UN quote, almost killed
Superman.

593
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,640
That's awesome, though I ain't.
Gonna lie, yeah.

594
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,400
Yeah.
He played your role well, yeah.

595
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Yeah, exactly.
I will say, although I did know

596
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,480
he was the man from Uncle, that
wasn't until later in life that

597
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,560
I experienced the man of UNCLE.
To me, he was always the guy

598
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,200
that bought the A-Team, right?
In the yeah, that's right, Yeah,

599
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,280
that's right.
The last season.

600
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000
The last last like season or
two, yeah, I can't remember,

601
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:56,760
Yeah.
But yeah.

602
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,200
To where he was the one that
controlled what they did and.

603
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,600
And it was just weird.
That was when the A-Team, that's

604
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,320
when they added the the guy who
did the special effects.

605
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Yeah, yeah.
He became a member of the A-Team

606
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,960
and and then there was a girl as
well that.

607
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,120
They're trying to spice it up.
Yeah, trying to rejuvenate it in

608
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,400
the the later years and it just
it didn't work.

609
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,120
No, no, it run its course.
So Vaughn was not the original

610
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,680
choice.
According to the writers.

611
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,120
They actually wanted Alan Alda
because they wanted an actor who

612
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,120
could be ruthless without losing
any charm.

613
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,680
I agree with that as well.
No, Yeah, he can do that.

614
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,960
Yeah, I think that would, I
think he would even be better in

615
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,920
the role.
I think he would.

616
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,880
It would have separated him a
little bit more from cuz Vaughn

617
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,240
to me just seems to be playing
Lex Luthor.

618
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,240
Like he just seems to be have
that same kind of matter of

619
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,400
fact, you know, speech or
whatever.

620
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,240
But yeah.
Yeah.

621
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,760
But yeah, I can see that.
Salkind said in the DVD

622
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320
commentary that his choice was
Frank Langella.

623
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,360
And of course, Langella appeared
as Perry White and Superman

624
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Returns in 2006.
Yeah, Langella, not as much as

625
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,840
Alan Alda.
Yeah, Langella would have been,

626
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,320
I think 2:00 and intense.
I don't think he would have for

627
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,400
what this movie ended up being.
I don't think he would have fit

628
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080
right.
You know, the, the more

629
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,280
cartoonish, you know, comedic
this movie was.

630
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,600
I, I just, I, I don't know.
I know Frank Langella can do

631
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,480
comedy, but I just I don't think
he would have fit in this movie.

632
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,800
I agree with that.
All right, wrapping it up, we've

633
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,840
got Gavin O'hearley as Brad
Wilson on his ex-boyfriend in

634
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Clark's high school Bully.
Most people know him as playing

635
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Chuck Cunningham in the first
episodes of the TV sitcom Happy

636
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Days.
He was also in films such as

637
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,160
Never Say Never Again, At Wish 3
and Willow.

638
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,800
But yeah, it was Chuck
Cunningham, the long lost older

639
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,920
brother.
But again, if you're like me,

640
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,440
you know him from Superman 3.
Yes, you know, that's what you

641
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240
know him from.
All right, then, if we got a few

642
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,360
cameos I wanted to mention, I
thought worth worth mentioning

643
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,400
Aaron Smolnowski.
Yeah.

644
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,960
Anyway, he played the baby Clark
Kent in the original Superman in

645
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,240
78.
He appears uncredited as the

646
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,280
little boy waiting outside a
photo booth while Clark Kent is

647
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,080
changing into Superman, which I
thought that was a great scene.

648
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,080
I love that.
I thought was a cool idea of

649
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,720
having him changing in the
booth.

650
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,960
And you see the pictures of him
transforming.

651
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,800
And then, of course, he cuts off
and just gives the kid the small

652
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,080
piece of him as Superman.
So he doesn't revealed his

653
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,560
secret identity.
So I thought that was a cool.

654
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Little like that kid would even
know who Clark head.

655
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Was not a clue.
But no, yeah, it is the best

656
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,520
part of the opening credit
sequence compared to all the

657
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,080
crazy shenanigans and stupidity
that happens throughout the

658
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,160
rest.
But yeah.

659
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Yeah, then we've got Gordon
Rawlings plays the man with the

660
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,760
cap during the opening slapstick
crit.

661
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaking of the opening.
Yeah, he also appeared briefly

662
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,360
in Superman 2 as the fisherman
who sees the three super

663
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,520
villains land in the lake.
Pamela Mandel, who played Mrs.

664
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,360
Stokes, was also the diner
waitress in Superman 2.

665
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,440
And then my favorite cameo that
we did not get to see was Frank

666
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,240
Oz played a brain surgeon in a
deleted scene from the montage

667
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,320
of the supercomputer causing a
nationwide power outage.

668
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,120
It's included in the extended
television version of the film

669
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,160
and was broadcast in the UK in
the late 80s.

670
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,120
He also worked on puppet
sequences, which were also

671
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,320
deleted but not included in any
of the versions.

672
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,880
But yeah, good.
I love a good Frank Oz cameo.

673
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,720
He, him and Landis had their
thing of always having each

674
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,560
other pop up in their movies.
What would have been the puppet?

675
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,480
I was trying to think maybe part
of the computer, maybe like,

676
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,520
yeah, yeah, supercomputer,
because it is kind of like at

677
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,800
one point doesn't like that arms
come out of the computer in that

678
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,040
one scene where Vera gets pulled
in.

679
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,920
Or am I imagining that?
Yeah.

680
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,880
But I, I, I think, I don't know
if they're arms or anything, but

681
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,480
I do think, yeah, that he may
have had something to do with

682
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760
just the technical aspects of
maybe some of the computer

683
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,000
stuff.
I could see that.

684
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Yeah.
Oh, that.

685
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,640
Can that.
Yeah, we'll get into that.

686
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,240
Yeah.
All right, well, let's let's go

687
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
ahead and jump into scenes,
iconic scenes.

688
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,320
When someone says Superman 3,
what is the first scene that you

689
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,600
think of?
No, it's got to be the junkyard

690
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520
fight of.
Course, that is the iconic

691
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,639
scene.
Yeah, no doubt about.

692
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,840
It the the junkyard fight as
well as evil Superman at the

693
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,600
bar.
Yes, yeah, that's, that's a

694
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,800
close second, yeah.
Just because that one's been

695
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,360
turned into a meme.
Yeah, yeah, a GIF and all, but

696
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,920
yeah, the actual fight between
Clark and evil Superman is

697
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,239
definitely the the, you know,
the best part of this movie.

698
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,280
And yes, and the part that
you're gonna think of the most,

699
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,199
I mean, I'm sorry, Richard
Pryor, but I yeah, it's not any

700
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,239
of your scenes.
I'm sorry.

701
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,040
No, it's not.
Yeah.

702
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,480
I mean, I I agree.
I think that so they're like

703
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,639
this movie feels like 3
different movies to me.

704
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,840
Like it feels like a Richard
Pryor movie about Gus trying to

705
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480
find a job and becoming this
computer mastermind.

706
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,760
Which is amazing that he took
one class and somehow knows how

707
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,080
to control every computer known
to man.

708
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Which is apparently just telling
the computer what to.

709
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,160
Do.
Yeah, yeah.

710
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,040
I mean, that's all you got.
To do right is sell the

711
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,680
computer.
Like yeah, break breakthrough

712
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,880
security and it does.
He invented ChatGPT before we

713
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,240
knew what ChatGPT was.
Yeah.

714
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,720
But I feel like like, like
that's that's a movie that could

715
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,880
have been its own movie without
Superman at all.

716
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,800
And then you've got the Superman
movie that I wanted, which is

717
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,800
him going back for his high
school reunion, him, you know,

718
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,000
rekindling with Lana.
I don't know what the villain

719
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,760
aspect.
Maybe it's, you know, just him

720
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,600
trying to try to do I want to
go, do I want to go back to

721
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Metropolis and be Superman?
Or do I see myself settling down

722
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,000
and being just Clark with, you
know, enjoying love without the

723
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680
risk of being a superhero?
That, to me, could have been its

724
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
own, its own story.
You know, and you still could

725
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,480
have had the the evil Superman
aspect of it.

726
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,040
You could have had where you
know, I know, I know.

727
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,280
On the way to Smallville they
stopped at this factory that for

728
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,480
some odd reason is creating
acid.

729
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,120
Right.
But you could have had something

730
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,200
where maybe somebody, you know,
some scientist was studying

731
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:15,720
kryptonite and does something to
the kryptonite that you know,

732
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,440
causes it to have a different
reaction to Superman

733
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,760
unknowingly.
I'm not saying they're.

734
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Doing any of this Exactly the
villain.

735
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Yeah.
And then Superman, you know,

736
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,600
maybe during a rescue, maybe
they could have still had a very

737
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,800
similar scene where fire breaks
out, he gets exposed to this

738
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,520
modified kryptonite, and they
still have that part of the

739
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,640
movie and that that is the
conflict.

740
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,760
Yes, yes, it's good Superman and
bad Superman.

741
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,240
So yeah, no, definitely could
have kept this more focused in

742
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:49,280
Smallville, had more of the Lana
stuff, you know, flesh that out

743
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,920
a little bit.
Hadn't honestly had more of

744
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,800
Christopher Reeve being Clark.
Yeah, because exactly I.

745
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,800
Also feel there's a lack of
Clark Kent and.

746
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,640
There is, there is.
I agree with that 100%.

747
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Yeah.
So like this.

748
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,640
So, you know, so for that scene,
like I understand, you know, the

749
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,720
evil Superman or the you know,
yeah, the evil Superman is

750
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:11,360
flying away after having the
confrontation with the boy who's

751
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,960
saying, you know, you know, that
kind of reminds him of who he

752
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,480
who he's supposed to be.
And then he lands in the

753
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,840
junkyard and Clark Kent just
kind of comes out.

754
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,880
And it was kind of jarring at
first, like when I was

755
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,080
rewatching it because it was
like I would have liked some

756
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,160
kind of like already some
conflict of maybe hearing the

757
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Clark Kent's voice or like there
being this internal monologue

758
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,840
that we heard of the two kind of
fighting internally before it

759
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,000
became this external battle.
It's still great, but I just

760
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,360
wish there was a little bit
better of a setup for it that

761
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,680
made a little bit more sense.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

762
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,640
Having Clark either as just a
voice or I mean it was the 80s.

763
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,480
Having the little like Ghostly.
Clark, head right.

764
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,800
Talking to him or or even more
80s having clips of just like in

765
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,760
a black void of Clark and evil
Superman arguing with each

766
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,960
other.
You know, like it's in his mind.

767
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Yeah.
Hell yeah.

768
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,280
Yeah.
You know, Allah, Allah, when

769
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,920
Mork talks to the the leaders in
Mork and Mindy, he's always just

770
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,520
being.
Black.

771
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,080
Yep.
Yep, void.

772
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,240
More calling Orson, yeah.
Orson, Yeah.

773
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,720
But having having that same same
idea, it definitely would have,

774
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,280
I think it would have made a
better movie.

775
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,920
I mean, it definitely would have
been different because you

776
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,920
didn't up until the moment when
Clark and evil Superman face

777
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,120
each other, you know, you
wouldn't have had any type of

778
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,320
battle.
But I still, yeah, I think that

779
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,640
definitely would have made a
made for a better movie.

780
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,200
Yeah.
And another thing I didn't

781
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,000
understand was this whole time
that evil Superman is being evil

782
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,160
Superman.
It's not like he's doing things

783
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,280
in secret.
They see him doing these

784
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,840
diabolical things like he blows
out the Olympic torch and like,

785
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,400
but there's no like coverage of
the news or anybody like what

786
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,640
happened to Superman.
Like there's no, seems like no

787
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,440
repercussions for that.
Like nobody's wondering what

788
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,440
happened and so.
I mean you do have the the

789
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,200
street vendor who gets very
upset when he straightens the

790
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Eiffel the lean tower Pisa so
unnecessary again when he fixes

791
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,280
here at the.
End, which was actually an idea

792
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,160
that yeah, that it was actually
an idea that Leicester wanted

793
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,040
for Superman 2, but they ended
up not using it, so he just

794
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,160
repurposed it for Superman 3.
Why not?

795
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,560
Which is still better than him
fixing the Great Wall of China

796
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,920
in Superman 4.
Yeah, a lot of physics problems

797
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,680
in this one.
Look, physics problems, it's one

798
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,400
thing Superman having abilities
that make absolutely zero sense

799
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,920
to Superman, right, right.
Is, is, is completely different.

800
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,240
You know, I mean we we had the
cellophane S in Superman 2.

801
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,720
That was the beginning of the
end, the beginning of the main

802
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,680
line.
Yeah.

803
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:56,120
And and of course the yeah, I
will say though, the the mind

804
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,880
erasing kiss to Lois that he
also does.

805
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,120
In Superman 2 that that at least
has a little bit of a comic

806
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,080
connection because he's done
something similar in early

807
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,800
comics.
But and then yeah, Superman 4,

808
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,440
the blue laser out of his eye
that can fix the Great Wall of

809
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,480
China.
But yeah, this one with his just

810
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680
the way they do some of his
powers.

811
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,800
I don't do they really do they
do anything that's not a

812
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,760
Superman power in this one or
they do.

813
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,200
They just use his powers in a
weird way.

814
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,200
I mean, he uses his, he uses his
vision like, you know, he he

815
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,960
reseals the tanker with the oil
amazingly not spilling out of

816
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,480
it, which I that's another
physics issue I didn't see.

817
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,880
I understand, Yeah.
But that's not about his powers.

818
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Right, right.
He freezes.

819
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,320
He freezes.
The part of the lake, yeah, yes,

820
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,680
but then he picks up the lake
with the lake still being there,

821
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,560
right?
And then there is the fact that

822
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,320
the way he's holding the frozen
lake would make zero sense as

823
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,200
he's flying, how it wouldn't
break apart or melting, yes or

824
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,520
yeah, whether due to the heat as
he's traveling or whether it's

825
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,320
the friction flying through the
wind.

826
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,240
And then let's just go ahead and
get to the fact that when he

827
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,480
does drop it and it starts to
rain, where are the fishes?

828
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,400
Yeah.
There should be fishes falling.

829
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,760
There should be fish alive,
dead.

830
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,080
I don't care.
There should be fish falling

831
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,480
because they were.
There's no way that lake

832
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,920
contained.
No.

833
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Yeah, yeah.
Creatures at all.

834
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,120
Yeah, sea.
Life at all.

835
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,760
Yeah, I want a deleted scene
where a guy was fishing in the

836
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,360
lake and then he froze the part
where his pole is still in the

837
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,880
lake.
So when he picks it up, the

838
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,040
guy's holding onto his pole.
He's hanging my fish.

839
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,760
He's just hanging well.
But then, of course, he'd he'd

840
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,200
fall.
He would fall to his death.

841
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,400
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, I can't think of any

842
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,120
specific powers that he uses
that aren't Superman powers in

843
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,360
this one that I can remember.
Is there something he does when

844
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,920
he's fighting the supercomputer
that maybe I know there's things

845
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,200
that happened to him, right?
Yeah.

846
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,520
Because like he like he gets a
taste of his own medicine by he

847
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,640
gets wrapped up inside of a like
a cellophane bubble.

848
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,880
Yeah, yeah.
That happens to him.

849
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200
But there are some things.
There are some things in his

850
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,080
powers that don't make sense,
like the opening sequence when

851
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,880
the guy is drowning in the car
and instead of just using his

852
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,320
light vision to break the glass
or open the door, he flies as

853
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,040
slow as he could walk over
there.

854
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Yes.
Yeah, a good like 4 feet above

855
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,880
the ground slowly flies over
there.

856
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,360
I've got plenty of time, he'll
be OK.

857
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,760
Yeah, he could have gotten there
a lot quicker.

858
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,320
Yeah.
And then I.

859
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,720
Also like when he picks up the
burning, when he picks up the

860
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,480
burning Penguin, takes the fire
out, and then sends the Penguin

861
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,080
back into the road.
Yeah, didn't.

862
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,080
Get that or then the other one
where he had the fire, where the

863
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,240
people that are on the scaffold
or would it like the up, they're

864
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,360
up too high and so they're like,
how's he going to get them?

865
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,560
He could have flew and like
picked them up and carried them

866
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,560
down.
But instead burns are, you know,

867
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,440
the user has to burn off a tube
that we assume has no kind of

868
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,880
exhaust fumes or yeah, that
that.

869
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,280
Should have been excruciatingly
hot.

870
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,040
Yes, exactly.
But safe for them to slide down,

871
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,800
you know, we So yeah, lots of
problems.

872
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,960
Lots of problems.
Do you have any favorite scenes

873
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,920
in this movie?
No.

874
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,560
OK, good.
I don't either.

875
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,840
Other than Other than the
junkyard?

876
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's, that's the

877
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,200
highlight.
That and the scenes with him and

878
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,640
Lana, like they're some of them
are problematic, you know?

879
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,520
But yeah.
I love that.

880
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,640
So in their reunion, there is
this picture.

881
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,360
Yes, Clark Kent without his
glasses on right on the stage.

882
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,760
No, no one is putting two and
two together.

883
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,720
You know what Clark looks a lot
like super, because the whole

884
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,880
idea behind the Clark Kent
persona is that he's he's got

885
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,720
the glasses yes, but it's
supposed to be that he is

886
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:07,040
someone that you don't like.
Think about like that you you

887
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,920
don't consider right, but the
fact that he's got this, I guess

888
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,040
senior picture of him looking
all, you know, proper and again

889
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,400
with no glasses, you think.
But then yeah, then I then I

890
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,920
started getting into the just
the crazy stuff that someone

891
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,120
thought to write into this.
Like, I get that it's Kansas,

892
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,560
and it's supposed to be kind of,
you know, small town America.

893
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,560
But the fact that they have
their reunion and then the next

894
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:39,560
day, as Lois and Lois, Lana and
Clark are cleaning up, Lana goes

895
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,560
there's so much potato salad
leftover.

896
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Yeah, who?
Has potato salad at a high

897
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,160
school reunion, right?
Why was it such a big bowl of

898
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,040
potato salad and why was it just
sitting out?

899
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,360
All night.
Yeah, Yeah.

900
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,920
Gosh, that and then and then
they have their picnic and the

901
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,520
tallest grass they could find in
small mills.

902
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,040
Yeah, such a weird spot.
In the middle of a possible

903
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,840
coming, you know, Kansas
tornado.

904
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,800
Yeah, because you can hear the
Thunder in the background, like

905
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,000
I'm expecting a storm to break
up the picnic.

906
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,320
Yeah.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

907
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,840
It's Thunder that scares the dog
off.

908
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,800
Yeah, which is what makes sense.
You run after and then you're

909
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,200
seeing the wind blowing right in
these, this wheat field that

910
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,360
they are sitting in.
And then, and I do like as

911
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,640
Clark's going through the stuff,
green stuff, I mean, it's a

912
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,160
funny little bit.
And then him eating the dog

913
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:36,880
food.
Yeah.

914
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,080
Especially the fact that after
she tells him the dog food he's

915
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,320
like it's good.
Right.

916
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,120
He's just gonna keep eating it.
Yeah.

917
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,640
But then Lana sees that she has
an oil leak.

918
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,160
How the grass is.
So the grass is so high.

919
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:56,760
You are you are sitting lower
than the car is, but yet you can

920
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,480
see an oil leak that is on the
other side of the car.

921
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,760
How?
How did Lana see that?

922
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,640
How?
No clue.

923
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,920
Yeah, and then the fact that her
son happens to trip and fall on

924
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,800
the one and only rock.
That just happens to be in the

925
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,960
path of the.
The excavators or whatever you

926
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,840
call them.
And then Harvesters, that's the

927
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,400
Harvester.
And then why does Superman

928
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,400
Philly has to destroy the
Harvester to save the boy?

929
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,920
Like couldn't he have picked him
up and carried him away?

930
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,480
Or was he afraid he would get
hurt worse?

931
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,920
Like that part just didn't make
sense to me.

932
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,040
Also, how far did that kid make
it that Superman had to fly that

933
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,000
far right?
Right, right.

934
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,280
You see him flying from what it
what appears to be your miles

935
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,760
away headed towards like why,
how?

936
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,320
And then yeah, and he picks up
the kid, flies the kid leaves

937
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,600
the dog there.
So how he then?

938
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,680
Got brings the dog out of the I
get.

939
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,600
The Super mate.
Yeah fast, but how did he then

940
00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:01,400
get back, get the dog, get
changed and get underneath the

941
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,840
the drain?
Which once again proves how much

942
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,840
higher the car was than they
were right.

943
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,120
Right.
With him coming out of the drain

944
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,840
with the dog and little Billy.
Danny whatever is the kids name

945
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,600
was because I don't care.
Right, right.

946
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,080
You know how he doesn't all of a
sudden go, wait, how was the dog

947
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,000
there?
I just chased the dog.

948
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,520
Well, he's got a head injury, so
you know, he probably doesn't

949
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,000
make a lot of sense.
Yeah, and how again, how Lana

950
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,400
cannot put two and two together.
Yeah, she is standing in, in

951
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,480
the, in the gymnasium.
She is standing next to a giant

952
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,720
picture of Clark without
glasses, standing next to Clark.

953
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Then during during when Superman
rescues her son, she is standing

954
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,520
there looking directly at
Superman.

955
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,360
You know, guy that she's known
all her life and has clearly had

956
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,680
feelings for.
And I'm sorry, the one thing

957
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Christopher Reeve doesn't do a
extremely great job of is his

958
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,240
voice isn't that different.
No, no.

959
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,920
Christopher Reeve is a great
Clark Kent.

960
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,000
He's a great Superman.
He does a great job, but his

961
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,800
voice doesn't change that much.
And so when he's talking to

962
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,400
Lana, how Lana doesn't go, your
voice sounds so familiar.

963
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,560
And then I won't even talk about
the ring.

964
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,880
Like, yeah, how she believes
that a reporter, you know, a

965
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,800
beat reporter for the Daily
Planet was able to afford her

966
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,000
that ring.
And.

967
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,760
Yeah, I don't.
Yeah.

968
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,520
I get the, you know, there,
there's a lot out there that can

969
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,560
prove that Clark, the Clark Kent
disguise, even though Superman's

970
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,640
the disguise, Clark Kent's the
real person, that it can work.

971
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,160
I just think with someone like
Lana, shouldn't that that's all

972
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,240
I got to say.
And if anything proves that it

973
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,120
is the show.
Smallville.

974
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,400
Let's just go ahead and and be
clear with that.

975
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,200
Because even Lois, like, she's
figured it out, Yes, there's

976
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,280
always that moment in the other
movies where she's, like, right

977
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,680
on the brink of making the
connection and then gets

978
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,760
distracted or something happens.
Yeah, well.

979
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,320
Even in this movie they have
where he's telling them about

980
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,120
going back to Smallville and he
holds up his sweater with.

981
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,160
S on it, right?
And Lois kind of gives that look

982
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,840
of wait.
That looks kind of familiar when

983
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,560
you hold it like that, yeah.
And you even see Clark look down

984
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,320
and realize what he's doing
right, Right.

985
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,200
That's for Smallville.
Yeah.

986
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Yeah.
All right, well, let's jump into

987
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,880
some trivia.
Maybe we'll think about some

988
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,160
other scenes.
So.

989
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,880
Give me more scenes to bash.
Yeah, we, we, we don't have

990
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,400
enough time to cover them all.
The writers of the film Office

991
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Space utilize the storyline of
taking a fraction of a penny

992
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,640
from employees for their own
gain, stating that they saw it

993
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,160
work in the movie Superman 3.
So what a way to steal an idea

994
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,480
and then in pure fashion, let
you know where the idea came

995
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,880
from.
You know it works with Superman

996
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,720
3.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

997
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,360
I love that that is a legit
thing.

998
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,680
I also, however, let's again, we
got you gave me something else

999
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,960
to bash the guy, then bringing
it to Webster's attention about

1000
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,680
how you're being robbed.
They robbed you.

1001
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,400
They stole $85,000 or whatever
it was.

1002
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,080
Oh yeah, yeah.
And, and they're like, well,

1003
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,520
maybe he'll slip up.
He goes, no, he won't slip up.

1004
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,680
He's too smart for the 1st.
I'm going, wait, how do you not

1005
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,360
know who it is?
Because you cut him a check,

1006
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,760
right, right.
He had to put in his employee ID

1007
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,680
number to take the money.
So how do you not know what it

1008
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,160
is?
That and, and the guy's

1009
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,080
explanation of, you know, back
when we used to do this on paper

1010
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,600
with, you know, books and all
that, this would not have

1011
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,000
happened just like it.
There's even a better way you

1012
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,240
could have caught him though,
because of the computer like,

1013
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,920
and I'm not even going to go to
computers nowaday where you can

1014
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,280
trace which computer was being
used.

1015
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,680
He put in his employee ID.
Right.

1016
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,360
But instead they're convinced.
Yeah, instead they're convinced

1017
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,840
by a pure a true non Richard
Pryor driving a red sports car.

1018
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,320
Yes, which?
Which only doesn't work because

1019
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,200
they linger on him a little too
much after he barks.

1020
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,480
Right, right.
Like when he drives in, yes,

1021
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,360
it's an overhead shot, so you
just see the hair and right,

1022
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,680
it's fine.
But then when they linger on him

1023
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,360
as he's getting out.
He.

1024
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,080
Slightly tilts his head up and
you're just like, yeah, that

1025
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,800
ain't, that's Pryor.
Yeah, it could be that guy, but

1026
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,000
it's not Gus.
Yeah.

1027
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,840
And let's talk about Richard
Pryor for a minute, because I

1028
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,760
just a lot of the problems with
this movie and it's I don't

1029
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,240
think it's Richard Pryor's
fault.

1030
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,120
I think they were just trying to
cash in on his celebrity and his

1031
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,080
style of comedy because it was
popular at the time.

1032
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,600
But you gave him there were too
many moments that was just him

1033
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,080
riffing that wasn't needed.
You know, the the him showing up

1034
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,000
to Smallville during the
presentation, the birthday party

1035
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,840
where he comes dressed as
General Patton and has this long

1036
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,240
speech.
Like who's going to stand and

1037
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,480
let some guy just come up and
start having this long speech

1038
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,160
that in essence doesn't really
do anything besides just give

1039
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,720
moments for Richard Pryor to try
to be funny.

1040
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,840
And then, you know, him, you
know, buying the suit to fool

1041
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,600
Lana's ex-boyfriend.
And you know that works at the

1042
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,000
company that he really doesn't
need to sneak into.

1043
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,320
Yeah, it's owned by Webster We
King is it says it on the door,

1044
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,520
it says Websco, you know,
company or whatever it says.

1045
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,360
Yeah, yeah.
So why does he need to break

1046
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,680
quote UN quote break in?
Yeah.

1047
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,800
Why does he need couldn't have
Webster just given him access?

1048
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,560
Right, right.
I mean, I yes, I get that it was

1049
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,480
to make for the the comedic
element of it.

1050
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,400
And then why does a wheat
company have this government

1051
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,840
computer?
Right, right.

1052
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,880
That needs 2 keys.
Gosh.

1053
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,920
Yeah, yeah.
And access to this weather

1054
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,880
satellite that When does a
weather satellite control the

1055
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,400
weather?
When the computer tells it to.

1056
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Yeah, this movie does not know
how computers.

1057
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,680
Work.
No, not at all.

1058
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,360
It's a weather satellite.
It's there to read weather

1059
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,720
conditions, which means it must
be able to control the weather.

1060
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,840
We can obviously shoot a beam
some country and make it a

1061
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,720
storm, hurricane, tornado.
That's clearly what what these

1062
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:10,120
satellites are built to do.
Yeah, and then the one scene

1063
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,600
that makes the least amount of
sense is after he's telling his

1064
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,120
story on the ski slope on the
top of an office building

1065
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,520
downtown.
Which I guess we're to assume he

1066
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,120
also did with the weather
satellite, I guess, yeah.

1067
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,160
But then he falls off the roof
on the skis and lives.

1068
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,440
Yeah, doesn't shatter his legs,
right, right.

1069
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,520
Doesn't.
Lose the blanket or yeah, that

1070
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,160
whatever that he put all over
his back, that when he's on the

1071
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,040
in, when he's actually on the
road in the middle of the

1072
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,080
street, you can see where it's
sewn into his shirt.

1073
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,720
Like you can see this.
I I noticed that this time I was

1074
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,120
like, you can tell it was sewn
in.

1075
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Like, yeah, lose it.
But anyway.

1076
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:53,600
Yeah, just even Richard Pryor,
though, didn't like even even

1077
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,040
Gus looks and goes how in the
Yeah, how did I survive that?

1078
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,680
And once again, for what
purpose?

1079
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,440
What was the purpose of that
scene?

1080
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Nothing but just to give Richard
Pryor some kind of sight gag.

1081
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Funny moment that really wasn't.
Yeah, which Speaking of going

1082
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,640
and just doing something for the
sake of having a gag when he is

1083
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,280
controlling all computers
everywhere.

1084
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,840
Apparently.
Oh gosh, yeah.

1085
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,080
So the ATM makes sense.
Yeah, that makes sense.

1086
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,040
All of a sudden the ATM is
spitting out money.

1087
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,080
Makes sense.
Even the Bloomingdale's like

1088
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,840
having it.
So it, it creates this bill for,

1089
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,160
you know, $700,000 or whatever
it was.

1090
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,320
That makes sense.
What doesn't make sense is that

1091
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,320
Gus is sitting there just in a
few minutes.

1092
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,320
Like it.
He hasn't been sitting there for

1093
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,560
days.
He's just been saying yet.

1094
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,800
Yet this Bloomingdale's bill has
been printed, shipped, sent

1095
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,080
through the United States Postal
Service, arrived at a guy's

1096
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,560
house, and at breakfast, he
opens it up.

1097
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:57,160
And then in another way of
completely horribly treating

1098
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,240
women right, he immediately
thinks it's all his wife's fault

1099
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,320
and shoves A grapefruit or
whatever it was into his wife's

1100
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,600
face, right?
You know, again, horrible

1101
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:06,760
treatment of women in this
movie.

1102
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,720
But but I haven't even gotten to
the part I was actually getting

1103
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,080
to.
I get that he can control

1104
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,240
traffic signals.
Oh gosh, how?

1105
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,880
How does the little red and
green men come to life, right?

1106
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,160
Right and fight.
Each other.

1107
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,280
Each other.
That's not only how that's not

1108
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,600
how computers work.
That's not how lights.

1109
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:31,320
Work right, right.
Again, just meant for that funny

1110
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,520
little gag, yeah.
But just yeah, same with like

1111
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,560
the video game.
Yeah, the video game when he's

1112
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,160
the missiles are being fired at
him and he's it looks like a

1113
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,200
video game where you actually
see getting points for the bombs

1114
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,520
going off around Superman.
Yeah, so bad.

1115
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,200
Yeah, well, of course it looks
like a game because it was meant

1116
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,520
to be.
A game right, I just.

1117
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,800
Think Atari had planned to
release that game?

1118
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,480
And went belly up thanks to ET
the game.

1119
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,240
ET had come out the year before
and tanked it and then the

1120
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,200
Nintendo would come out like a
year or two later.

1121
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,080
So sorry, was that theorem?
But anyway, yeah.

1122
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,520
And anybody who listens to
moving panels my show know that

1123
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,480
I I have a section called Weird
science.

1124
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,000
Yes, yes, I am all for I
understand superhero movies and

1125
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,640
whatnot have their own rules and
and that physics can sometimes

1126
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,280
be broken.
I get that, but you've got to

1127
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,840
stick to the rules and the
physics within your own

1128
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,240
universe, right?
Right.

1129
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,880
And, and I don't care if you're
saying that computers have the

1130
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,240
ability to do some of this
stuff.

1131
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,520
There's still things that
computer shouldn't be able to

1132
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,560
do, right, No matter what.
And yeah, so, and then the fact

1133
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,600
that they create that Gus
creates this supercomputer, I

1134
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,200
get that he's I get that you've,
this is again going to that

1135
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,360
weird science.
I get that.

1136
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,320
You've established that he is,
he's got an innate sense for

1137
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,040
computer programming, right,
right.

1138
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:02,480
That doesn't make him a
engineer, that doesn't allow him

1139
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,800
to know how the the hardware
works.

1140
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,080
And then the fact that they are
able to create the supercomputer

1141
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:17,080
out of the most basic drawings
on a bunch of napkins makes no

1142
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,000
sense.
Even less sense the fact that

1143
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,160
Ambrosia knows how it all works.
Yeah.

1144
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Yeah, man.
And yeah, and then they they

1145
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,680
bring the box containing all the
pieces into a Canyon and land it

1146
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,120
in the middle of the Canyon and
then expect the guys to carry it

1147
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,720
up to the caves.
Yeah.

1148
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,400
So.
Oh, gosh, it's so much.

1149
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,520
OK, we've got to start wrapping.
It and then don't give you easy

1150
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,560
access because they even have to
take the little hot air balloons

1151
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,600
right chairs down to them you.
Couldn't have found a better

1152
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,560
spot.
Yeah, you couldn't have created

1153
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,160
some sort of way for us to get
to The Cave without having to

1154
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,360
risk our lives on these
balloons, man.

1155
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,320
OK, all right, moving on.
So Speaking of inconsistencies,

1156
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,800
the year of the film is set in
is also very inconsistent of the

1157
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:09,120
year on Gus's checks say 1983.
Twentieth High School Reunion

1158
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:14,880
takes makes it appear to be 1985
because it reads class of 65 and

1159
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,440
the Olympics appearing to be in
the summer should be happening

1160
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,080
in 1984. 84, yes.
So yeah, just pick a year in a

1161
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:23,720
year.
No.

1162
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,840
And if you have any questions
about any of this, just dial the

1163
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,960
number 12345678.
Right, because it'll also get

1164
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,560
you in a class to teach you how
to make computers do whatever

1165
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,600
you want them to do.
Yes, pay attention in that

1166
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,720
opening scene when guests
receives the the matchbook, the

1167
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,680
ad on it, that is the phone
number.

1168
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,520
Yep, it is 123. 57.
Eight.

1169
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,480
They didn't even care to put a
fake 555 number no on it.

1170
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,920
Someone found a template that
was the number that was there.

1171
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,240
And yeah.
And so that that's what you got,

1172
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,000
man.
Can we get into, can we get into

1173
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,440
the the supercomputer?
The fact that Gus built it so

1174
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,280
that there's just a single.
Screw right, right.

1175
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,640
That shuts off all the power.
That does it all and.

1176
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,600
And then why is there an?
Axe.

1177
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,120
Exactly.
Why is there an axe in there?

1178
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,880
Makes no sense.
None at all.

1179
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,400
Makes no sense.
All right, so my last my last

1180
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,040
trivia thing, and because we've
kind of already discussed this

1181
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,880
about the huge picture of young
Clark Kent at the reunion is a

1182
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,240
picture of Christopher Reeve on
real picture of his high school

1183
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,640
picture.
But in the Superman 1978

1184
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,000
version, Clark Kent was not
played by Christopher.

1185
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,720
He was played by Jeff E even
though they gave him prosthetics

1186
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,120
to make him look more like
Christopher Reeve that did

1187
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,800
Smallville Clark.
OK, it was played.

1188
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,400
By yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So why?

1189
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,240
Why?
I mean, it would have made more

1190
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,280
sense for them to use the old
picture than a Christopher Reeve

1191
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,000
picture.
I don't know.

1192
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,600
I mean Lana Lang technically was
in the first movie as well and.

1193
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,560
True played very.
Different actress.

1194
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,080
They didn't have her picture.
Showing it in the in the Oh

1195
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,560
yeah, they didn't have.
They didn't.

1196
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,360
Have the picture of her with
Brad.

1197
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,240
Right.
That's right.

1198
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:01,960
That's right.
Where they were like the prom

1199
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,000
king and queen or homecoming
queen and queen, whatever they

1200
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,520
were.
Yeah.

1201
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,720
I don't know.
I, I kind of give that one a

1202
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,760
pass a little bit as much as I I
complain about how, you know,

1203
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,880
it's it's Clark, it's
Christopher Reeve without

1204
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,040
glasses on.
You know, if it had been a

1205
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,000
picture of Jeff, EI think there
probably would have been a

1206
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,280
certain group of the audience
who would not have realized.

1207
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,040
Or they would have put it.
Together, even if it said Clark

1208
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Kent underneath it, they would
go.

1209
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,840
Who the crap is that?
Like, Right, right.

1210
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,200
I think I think there.
So I can give that one a little

1211
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,480
bit of a pass.
Yeah.

1212
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,840
It doesn't make 100.
And you know, some people would

1213
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,440
argue.
Well, well, Jeff E was when he

1214
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,240
was younger, I was like, well,
no, he's he's Jeff E up till the

1215
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:52,000
very moment that he's not like,
like when he leaves, he's Jeff E

1216
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,200
like.
And again, I think you can go

1217
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,320
back and listen to one of our
two episodes talking about the

1218
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,120
original movie.
We're assuming he finished

1219
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,560
school, right?
And so the, the Jeff E you see

1220
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,880
tell Martha, you know, buy and
leaves and creates the the

1221
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,000
fortress solitude.
You would think that's got to be

1222
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,240
at least maybe a 1718 year old
version of Clark.

1223
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,040
So clearly a picture from him in
high school should look like

1224
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,120
Jeff East.
But yeah, I can give that one a

1225
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,320
little bit of a pass.
I don't have too much problem

1226
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,480
with that.
But yeah, the years, the years

1227
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,040
don't make a lot of a lot of
sense because the years start

1228
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,200
coming and they don't stop
coming.

1229
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,640
But yeah, I don't, I don't have
too much of a problem with that.

1230
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,200
But I can see the years are
frustrating.

1231
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,680
But yeah, the Clark Kent being
Christopher Reeve is, I'm fine

1232
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,080
with it.
I'll let it pass.

1233
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,280
All right, Box Office Superman 3
was released on June 17th, 1983.

1234
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,920
It took the number one spot at
the box office on its opening

1235
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,560
weekend because it had no other
new releases to compete with,

1236
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,560
although it did it did dethrone
Return of the Jedi from the

1237
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,400
number one spot in its fourth
week of release, so.

1238
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,440
That's impressive.
Yeah, that's impressive.

1239
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,760
Yeah, it grossed $60 million at
the United States box office and

1240
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,840
20.2 million internationally,
for a total of 80.2 million

1241
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,400
worldwide.
It was the 12th highest grossing

1242
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,120
film of 1983 in North America.
So, you know, we talk about

1243
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,240
there's some people that say
this was that it bombed.

1244
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,080
It really it didn't bomb.
It just didn't make as much

1245
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,040
money as the previous movies,
but it made a lot of money over

1246
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,200
its budget.
So that's.

1247
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,520
Yeah, because.
It had a much smaller budget.

1248
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,920
Yeah than considering the first
movie was like the most

1249
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,360
expensive movie.
Right at the time.

1250
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,520
At the time, Yeah, exactly.
Ever made Yeah, so.

1251
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,880
After that, they were trying to
cut the cut that cost to make

1252
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,360
that money.
Yeah, I tell you what though,

1253
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,520
they were doing it off of off of
product placement.

1254
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had, we had
cut KFC, OK.

1255
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,440
KFC was pretty big.
Which which is funny considering

1256
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:59,120
the movie before this Supergirl
right had the the big famous

1257
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,360
which pretty much you Google
Supergirl, you go to images.

1258
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,320
Yep, it's that picture of
Supergirl standing in front of a

1259
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,920
Popeye's.
Yep, exactly.

1260
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,240
Yeah, and then Gus is smoking
Camel cigarettes.

1261
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,840
Camel Cigarettes.
Clearly, even though in Superman

1262
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,280
2 they had Superman get thrown
into a.

1263
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,680
Marble sign?
Yep, Yep.

1264
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,320
And then, then there's a Pepsi.
There's a couple of Pepsi cans

1265
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,480
clearly visible in this movie,
right?

1266
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,920
But then again, you go back to
Superman 2.

1267
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,840
He gets thrown into a coca.
Cola sign, Yeah.

1268
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,080
So yeah, everybody wants a piece
of that Superman pie.

1269
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,200
Yeah, for sponsors.
Yeah, yeah.

1270
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,240
You know, they're, they're,
they, they aren't going to

1271
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,280
stick.
They aren't going to have the

1272
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,520
one sponsor and be biased and
say, you know, it's not like,

1273
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:46,800
you know, everybody has to have
an iPhone unless, unless you're

1274
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,440
the bad guy right then.
You can't have an iPhone.

1275
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,440
Can't have an iPhone, but it's
not going to be that everybody

1276
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,480
is is eating or drinking the
same food.

1277
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,720
We we're going to disperse it
among, hey, you know what, we

1278
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,840
gave Popeyes a chance in
Supergirl, now we're going to

1279
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,040
give KFC, right?
Although I think KFC also

1280
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,240
appeared in Superman too.
But we're going to give KFC a

1281
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,680
chance here.
Pepsi, Coke, we'll have them

1282
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,640
swap it out.
Yeah, yeah, that.

1283
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,240
Get that product placement in
there.

1284
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,720
You go every, every time they
come about product placement, I

1285
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,720
always go back to Wayne's World.
Or is it Wayne's World?

1286
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,120
Yeah, when they's like, I don't
want to sell out anyway.

1287
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,600
That's one of my favorites.
All right, we've come to the

1288
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,840
part of our show we took a look
at how well the 80s flick holds

1289
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,080
up today.
It's the all new rewatchability

1290
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,400
nostalgia meter.
It's our way of measuring how

1291
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,640
enjoyable a movie is for repeat
viewings along with ways of

1292
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,320
nostalgia.
Here's how it works.

1293
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,760
It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and

1294
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,400
10:00 will do.
Here are a few parameters to

1295
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,800
help you decide.
At the bottom of the meter is a

1296
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,160
number one.
I saw it once and that was

1297
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,800
enough Don't need to rewatch it
ever again.

1298
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,200
Right in the middle and #5 is a
good rewatch every couple of

1299
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,800
years.
You know, it's got some

1300
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,960
redeeming qualities, but not
something you want to watch on a

1301
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,680
regular basis.
And the top of the chart?

1302
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,720
The top of the meter is a #10
highly rewatchable and full of

1303
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,920
nostalgia.
You can watch repeat viewings

1304
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,720
without ever getting tired of
the movie.

1305
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,680
So Laramie, where does Superman
3 land on your rewatch ability

1306
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,720
and nostalgia meter?
All right, so I'm going to start

1307
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,160
off by saying no, this is not a
good movie.

1308
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:18,720
Yes, if yeah, if, if we are
ranking this as how good of a

1309
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,280
movie it is, it would be much
lower.

1310
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,360
But this is about nostalgia.
Yes, this this is a Christopher

1311
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,680
Reeve movie.
It is a movie from my childhood.

1312
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,000
Yes, I am a bit biased.
I'm a huge Superman fan, but I

1313
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,840
probably have to put this movie
at about like a 7.5.

1314
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,800
OK, OK.
You know, again, not great, but

1315
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,560
it's, it's not for nostalgia
purposes.

1316
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,720
It's not bad.
This is a movie that I would

1317
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,280
watch every couple of years.
You know, this is also a movie

1318
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,080
that if I'm, you know, watching
television or if I'm, you know,

1319
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,480
on a, you know, Tubi or
something and I'm going through

1320
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,720
channels, you know, on Pluto TV
or something.

1321
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,320
And I noticed that it's playing.
I'll stop and watch it.

1322
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,400
This is a good, you know, if I
just, if I want to have

1323
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,320
something on while I'm, you
know, cleaning up or doing

1324
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,760
something.
This is a good background movie

1325
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,080
that I don't have to give it my
full attention, but that I

1326
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,280
don't, you know, get annoyed
that I'm watching it.

1327
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,720
You know, I I'd stop and I stop
and watch a couple of scenes.

1328
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,840
You know, I but, but I'm not
upset that I'm it's not going to

1329
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,360
pull me so far into it that I'm
not going to be able to do

1330
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,800
whatever I'm doing right.
So I think it's definitely, I

1331
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,000
think this falls is like a 7.5
for me.

1332
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,440
OK, yeah, I'm pretty close to
that.

1333
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,240
I'm I'm right at A7.
I was kind of like upper like

1334
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,760
6.8 to A7 for a lot of the same
reasons.

1335
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,240
It's nostalgia.
The nostalgia is what is what

1336
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,960
gives it that bump.
Because like I said, I remember

1337
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,880
watching this a lot as a kid.
It wasn't my favorite Superman

1338
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,240
movie.
I think my favorite is, is still

1339
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,920
for nostalgia Superman 2,
because I saw that one more.

1340
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,720
The first Superman is probably
still my favorite.

1341
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,560
But but yeah, but it's not one
that I like I said I was not one

1342
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,800
I'm going to want to rewatch a
lot.

1343
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,240
But it's not it's it's not bad.
It's worth putting on every so

1344
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:01,840
often.
And it's, we talked about this

1345
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,960
with Superman 4.
It's a, it's a fun bad movie.

1346
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,920
Like it's fun to watch even if
you're going to make fun of it

1347
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,160
like we did on this, make a lot
of fun, make a lot of fun about

1348
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:11,440
things in the movie that don't
make sense.

1349
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,320
It's that that makes it almost
more enjoyable by laughing at

1350
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,120
the things that you shouldn't be
laughing at.

1351
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,760
Yeah, So say I'm gonna give it a
7.

1352
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,760
So let me ask you since we did
just cover Superman 4 over on

1353
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,880
Moving Panels, my podcast.
Which one's better, three or

1354
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,040
four?
I think solely on nostalgia

1355
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,320
because as I mentioned on your
episode about Superman 4, I

1356
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,240
don't think I ever saw Superman
4, right.

1357
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,400
Like let's take it back.
I think I saw that one in the

1358
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,000
theater and realized it was a
bad movie and I never watched it

1359
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,760
again.
So it wasn't one that I watched

1360
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,000
a lot as a kid.
So for me then, I'm going to put

1361
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,960
3 slightly over 4 just because
of nostalgia.

1362
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,920
Which one is better there?
There really is too close to

1363
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,040
call for me.
See, I slightly give 4 an edge

1364
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:02,040
over 3 in my opinion, and this
is primarily because 4 feels

1365
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,080
more one.
It feels more cohesive.

1366
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,120
Slightly, yeah.
Because there isn't that.

1367
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,680
Yeah, there's at least one story
happening, right?

1368
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,040
For the most part, For the most
part, there's a couple of little

1369
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,800
side side stories and plots
happening.

1370
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,880
You know, B&C plots.
Right, a lot of messages they

1371
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,319
had to get in there.
Yes, but it at least is all

1372
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:29,560
cohesive and having an actual
villain for Superman to have to

1373
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,120
go against, you know, it makes
it more of a superhero comic

1374
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,040
movie.
Not to say that that premise of,

1375
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,439
you know, that you came up with
of what Superman 3 could have

1376
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,680
been would not have been great.
I just think for what we have.

1377
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:42,479
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

1378
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,200
Yeah.
Superman.

1379
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:47,399
Superman 4 at least feels to me
like an actual Superman movie,

1380
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,960
whereas we've talked about
Superman 3 is a Richard Pryor

1381
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,600
movie.
That is, is Richard Pryor, a

1382
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,240
Richard Pryor movie being put
inside of a Superman?

1383
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,439
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

1384
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,960
Yeah, I agree.
That's why they're both bad

1385
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:01,200
movies.
Yeah, let's.

1386
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,359
See, they're both, yeah, they're
both fun, bad movies, as Tim

1387
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:06,800
just said.
But I would say if I had, if you

1388
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,080
had to tell me to rank them, I
would put Superman 4 over

1389
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,399
Superman 3.
OK, OK, personal opinion yeah

1390
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,560
and that that's that's why I
have you on the show.

1391
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,800
All right well let us know where
you think Superman 3 and

1392
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Superman 4 rank on the
rewatchability nostalgia.

1393
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,080
Which one do you think is better
than the other?

1394
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,279
You other.
You can send us an e-mail or you

1395
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:28,080
can let us know on social media,
as I mentioned before, Facebook,

1396
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,240
Instagram and you can make a
comment right here in the

1397
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:32,640
YouTube.
If you're watching us on

1398
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,200
YouTube, you can put the
comments right there.

1399
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:35,720
All right, I think it's going to
wrap this one up.

1400
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,960
I want to thank Laramie for
joining us for this episode.

1401
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,640
So what's going on with moving
panels as I'm starting my summer

1402
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,439
series?
You have a summer series as

1403
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,640
well.
What you got going on We?

1404
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:50,000
Do this summer we are focusing
on the work of Mark Miller.

1405
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,000
Again.
Most people would say Millar, I

1406
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,720
have as well and I probably will
slip up throughout the summer

1407
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,840
and say it.
But I did learn that it is

1408
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,560
pronounced Miller.
So it it more like Miller, but

1409
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,320
the A has more of an E sound
anyway.

1410
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,360
But yeah, we're going to we're
going to tackle who he is for

1411
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,920
people who aren't as familiar
with who he is.

1412
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,320
We'll we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about his use of

1413
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,720
social commentary and violence
within his comics, which of

1414
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,520
course then portrayed into the
movies and we will discuss

1415
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,880
wanted Jupiter's legacy, the
Netflix series, and then both

1416
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,320
kick ass and kick ass two.
We can't get to all of his work

1417
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,600
in one summer, but we will hit.
We'll highlight a few of those.

1418
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,320
Yeah, Oh yeah, those are some
good ones.

1419
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:33,960
I think I've enjoyed.
I enjoyed those for sure.

1420
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,560
So I would definitely check out
moving panels.

1421
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,640
As I said before I go, if you
enjoy this episode about

1422
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,080
Superman, go to listen to the
other episodes that we've done

1423
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,240
either on my show or his show or
both.

1424
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,920
I check them all out.
So if you enjoyed the episode,

1425
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,120
please leave us a five star
review on Apple podcasts.

1426
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,320
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the website 80s Flick flashback

1427
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,720
Comm or our T public store for
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1428
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,480
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just launched some new designs a

1429
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:01,800
few weeks ago from some previous
episodes.

1430
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,280
A designs inspired by previous
episodes like Caddyshack, UHF

1431
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,120
and Weird Science.
I actually got 2 new ones I need

1432
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,760
to put on there.
Hopefully that'll be out before

1433
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,840
this episode drops.
So all right, well, thanks there

1434
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,000
me for joining.
Thanks everybody for listening.

1435
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,720
I'm Tim Williams for the 80s
flick flashback podcast.

1436
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,360
My friend, you are yesterday.
Whomever pulled off this caper

1437
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,560
is tomorrow.